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Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Muppy - 2011-11-23

Daimean Wrote:Thanks for quoting my first post :f6:
But yes they deserve an update as much as Night Lords or Shadowers....

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Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Daimean - 2011-11-23

Alloy Wrote:No, not as much as them. If anything, they deserve it as much as marksmen for example. They already have skills that mix well between them, insane damage buffs... Instead of skills that negate each others and the likes. Shadow shifter makes dark flare go worse, soul star negates star mastery's critical effect, ANY attack makes shadow web useless...
I'd say Night Lords need a revamp a LOT more than Dual bladers.
Alex Rolleyes I'm arguing on the basis that KMS said a complete overhaul for thieves and pirates not on which job needs a revamp more, their current skills, or DPS Tiers.
DBs are thieves like Night Lords and Shadowers and therefore deserve a revamp as much as Night Lords and Shadowers.
Edit:
 @ Muppy


Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Bribery - 2011-11-23

I see a giant Octopus with guns.
I approve.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Mibs - 2011-11-23

Omigod. Motivation to hit Bucc regained.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Alloy - 2011-11-23

Daimean Wrote:Alex Rolleyes I'm arguing on the basis that KMS said a complete overhaul for thieves and pirates not on which job needs a revamp more, their current skills, or DPS Tiers.
DBs are thieves like Night Lords and Shadowers and therefore deserve a revamp as much as Night Lords and Shadowers.
Edit:
 @ Muppy

Cannon shooters and mechanics should also deserve it as much also, by your logic.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Elven Emily - 2011-11-23

Daimean Wrote:DBs are thieves right? or did I miss something......Rolleyes
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They are thieves.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Zangash - 2011-11-23

Daimean Wrote:Thanks for quoting my first post :f6:
But yes they deserve an update as much as Night Lords or Shadowers....

I demand to know your logic behind this statement, if it even exists.

Daimean Wrote:Alex Rolleyes I'm arguing on the basis that KMS said a complete overhaul for thieves and pirates not on which job needs a revamp more, their current skills, or DPS Tiers.
DBs are thieves like Night Lords and Shadowers and therefore deserve a revamp as much as Night Lords and Shadowers.
Edit:
 @ Muppy

Edit: Owait, nvm.

Your reasoning for them deserving a revamp is that KMS said it was coming for Thieves? So if they said a revamp is coming for Thieves you'd say Mercedes deserves a revamp as much as regular BM and MM? And by your logic, what about Cannon Shooters?

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Zangash - 2011-11-23

Double double double D:<

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Daimean - 2011-11-23

Zangash Wrote:I demand to know your logic behind this statement, if it even exists.
Edit: Owait, nvm.
Your reasoning for them deserving a revamp is that KMS said it was coming for Thieves? So if they said a revamp is coming for archers you'd say Mercedes deserves a revamp as much as regular BM and MM? And by your logic, what about Cannon Shooters?
Yes? Unless they said it was for the adventurer archer I'd expect a revamp for Mercedes as well.
Alloy Wrote:Cannon shooters and mechanics should also deserve it as much also, by your logic.
Daimean Wrote:My point was that nowhere does it say that......Wink
Edit: Does it even make a difference what type of adventurer DBs are? They are thieves and therefore should receive a complete revamp. I could argue the same thing about mechanics since they're pirates if you want.
(but idc about mechanics Rolleyes)
Although Cannon Shooters don't need that major of a revamp since they just came out (unless its to put them on par with demon slayers/mercedes lol)

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Zangash - 2011-11-23

Daimean Wrote:Yes....

So, in essence, you're not saying they NEED a revamp, just that you feel they should technically get one because Nexon technically said Thieves are getting a revamp, of which Dual Blades technically are classified as.

K.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Blades4hire - 2011-11-23

I'm sure nexon Korea will revamp us, whether we need it or not.
After all, we are the only class that they completely change the playstyle of in every big patch.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Teppi - 2011-11-23

Daimean Wrote:My point was that nowhere does it say that......Wink

Edit: Does it even make a difference what type of adventurer DBs are? They are thieves and therefore should receive a complete revamp. I could argue the same thing about mechanics since they're pirates if you want.
(but idc about mechanics Rolleyes)
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that's why i said it's IMPLIED because cannoneer is new, db received many revamps with new skills added and such when REGULAR adventurers barely got any new skills, and mechanics already got their revamps. therefore the only reasonable revamp that the added adventurer will get are minor skill tweak
Blades4hire Wrote:Why does it matter who needs it more?
You guys are acting like revamping dual blades would somehow make NL's revamp worse.
wat ppl are implying is that the attention should be put on nl,dit,sair, and bucc more

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Blades4hire - 2011-11-23

Adventurers got revamped twice since the last dualblade revamp.
Your point is null.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Teppi - 2011-11-23

Blades4hire Wrote:Adventurers got revamped twice since the last dualblade revamp.
Your point is null.
adventurers without sin,dit,sair, and bucc
ur just plain stupid

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Zangash - 2011-11-23

Blades4hire Wrote:Adventurers got revamped twice since the last dualblade revamp.
Your point is null.

But we're talking about Dual Blades compared to the other Thieves, which would make your entire post false.

I honestly don't know if your ignorant, stupid, or one giant mixture.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Blades4hire - 2011-11-23

1. "Regular Adventurers" implies all adventurers.
2. Why are you all so butthurt? I doubt any of you have a dual blade so why do you give a f'uck?
Do you honestly think that they have the same person working on all the revamps and that working on a dual blade one would make the other revamps of poorer quality?

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Raul - 2011-11-23

Zangash Wrote:But we're talking about Dual Blades compared to the other Thieves, which would make your entire post false.

I honestly don't know if your ignorant, stupid, or one giant mixture.

Given that he (along with everyone and their mother) has been wanting a thief/pirate revamp and being annoyed with the 2 archer/magician/warrior revamps while thief/pirate updates haven't happened, it's fair to say that he actually knows what he's talking about and is making a logical point.
Whatever, though.
It may be nice to condescend to other people with whom you are arguing, but when your insults are illogical and hypocritical, it becomes annoying to us all.
You have earned a place on my ignore list.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Daimean - 2011-11-23

Teppi Wrote:[spoiler=just so people don't have to see that image twice][Image: 943227833d1305709183-english-spam-thread...760-29.jpg][/spoiler]
that's why i said it's IMPLIED because cannoneer is new, db received many revamps with new skills added and such when REGULAR adventurers barely got any new skills, and mechanics already got their revamps. therefore the only reasonable revamp that the added adventurer will get are minor skill tweak
No need to insult me for not understanding my point. And what are you talking about lol...
And no Mechanics (along with Thunder Breakers and Night Walkers) should technically get another skill tweak or new skills since Nexon said Pirate a complete overhaul on thieves and pirates.

¬Rob Wrote:'Adventurers' in your case = all but pirates/thieves?
Didn't DBs recently get revamped so big, that they have 2 or 3 new -main attacks-, where shads and NLs only got minor tweaks to damage/range of skills, with SP/FJ for shads(which every thief already had)? Oh, and flare, which has minor use as is.
These four adventurers need the real re-haul.
By recently you mean awhile ago right...? Before that update Upper Stab was the main single/multi-target attack for DBs since Chains of Hell was practically useless so giving them a two new attacks wasn't that major when NLs and Shadowers already had the same.

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - ¬Rob - 2011-11-23

Blades4hire Wrote:Adventurers got revamped twice since the last dualblade revamp.
Your point is null.
'Adventurers' in your case = all but pirates/thieves?
Didn't DBs recently get revamped so big, that they have 2 or 3 new -main attacks-, where shads and NLs only got minor tweaks to damage/range of skills, with SP/FJ for shads(which every thief already had)? Oh, and flare, which has minor use as is.
These four adventurers need the real re-haul.

Also, I have a(n abandoned) DB @ your statement. (It being abandoned doesn't lessen my point, DBs just got their giant re-haul with Chaos, while the others only got tweaks since BB.)

Sneak peek of the new Thief and Pirate - Zangash - 2011-11-23

Blades4hire Wrote:1. "Regular Adventurers" implies all adventurers.
No, it implies REGULAR adventurers, of which Dual Blades are not.

Quote:2. Why are you all so butthurt? I doubt any of you have a dual blade so why do you give a f'uck?

You're right, I don't have a Dual Blade. But I DO have a Shadower and a Night Lord, neither of which have ever been in the position you Dual Blades find yourself in every other patch. This is OUR time now. Go cry about it somewhere else. Dual Blades are really starting to be as bad as the Night Lords, except at least the Night Lords are actually justified in all their bitching.

Quote:Do you honestly think that they have the same person working on all the revamps and that working on a dual blade one would make the other revamps of poorer quality?

I could write you a super, long, tl;dr for most paragraph explaining exactly why I think this and provide several examples to further back my story, but instead...

*Takes a deep breath* - Yes.