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Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-21
IMO, the fun of blizzard equals out the dmg that the BMs do more than MMs
Marksman or Bowmaster - Chameleonic - 2008-10-22
Once you get Hurricane you dont need to freeze anything with Blizzard or Frostprey...things die to quickly to be frozen.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-22
Freezing is still cool though. Hopefully useful in 3rd job.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Kevvl - 2008-10-22
Quite useful in 3rd.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Clint - 2008-10-22
I'm really glad you started this thread, because I'm in the same boat. But, my first char was a Ranger, but I messed it up...technically no, but in my case yes. So, I sold it to a friend and I'm starting over.
What went wrong? Strafe-first. Now normally that would be a good thing, but it forces me to train at Squids. Usually a good thing, right? Not in my case. I died faster than I could gain the EXP from training there. If I had Blizzard, it would have been much easier. Now if I went AR first I wouldn't be having this problem, but I didn't. So really, knowing what I know now I would've gone Sniper or AR-first, but too late. If you're able to train at Squids like normal people then it's all good, but for me, I just kept dying lol.
Mind you, there's still the option of AR first. Also, I've been to 8X on a Ranger before, but I've never played a Xbow, so that's another factor. There's also the factor of me wanting to shoot myself in the face when I train with a Sniper on my map because the sound of Xbow-Strafe really pisses me off. I could mute SFX though...or just get used to it. I'm sure if I had trained from 1-70 on a Xbow I wouldn't mind it.
But...rawr. I'm really bad wtih decisions too, lol.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Kevvl - 2008-10-22
Everyone dies alot at Squids for thier first few levels, before they get used to it, Sniper or Ranger. Personally, I died quite a bit before I got the hang of it. I don't use Blizzard there at all, It's not some magical godsend that suddenly makes training 20* easier. You really sound like you want a Ranger, you probably shouldn't have sold him in the first place =/
Squids takes practice! You're going to have to move to higher level monsters sooner or later, Squids are great to work up to potting every hit, avoiding monsters, and using puppet.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Clint - 2008-10-22
Yeah, I was thinking that too. Shouldn't have sold him lol. But there was another problem with him too anyway: His marriage reservation. Not this august but the one before I was going to get married, and the bride decided to disappear and never log on again. I already made the reservation, and you can't break your engagement or cancel the reservation once its been made. You have to marry, and thats impossible for me. Oh well.
But yeah...people kept telling me to practice lol...it just got to the point where I got so frustrated that I gave all my equips to my friends and just yelled pineapple it!!!! (I got them back later after I calmed down lol. Definitely over-reacted, but wasting 6 safety charms in 2 days when I'm low on cash angers me). That was my original plan was to make another Ranger, but after looking into Xbows a bit more the idea is starting to stick in my head. I was GOING to make a Gunslinger when they come out, but....nah. They just aren't quite as sexy as Bowmen. =3
Which leads back to....do I really want to grind all the way back to 70 as a hunter again, or try something new (Xbow) that I might not like?
Edit: Oh, and there's also the thought of Xbows being rarer, and cheaper. Alot of my friends play Rangers. x3
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-22
My reason that i'm still tempting is, Marksman have freeze, which i like alot.
I also like bossing, which BMs have the advantage.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Kevvl - 2008-10-22
Synyster Wrote:My reason that i'm still tempting is, Marksman have freeze, which i like alot.If you REALLY can't decide, make both, and then pick whichever you like more. That is to say, choose sometime in 2nd job, when you've experienced both firsthand.
I also like bossing, which BMs have the advantage.
Clint Wrote:Definitely over-reacted, but wasting 6 safety charms in 2 days when I'm low on cash angers me.Always test out high risk areas with 0%, and safety charms off =/
The two classes aren't that different anyway, if you liked your Ranger, you'd like a Sniper too.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Clint - 2008-10-22
I'm sure I'd like a Sniper, but a Bowmaster v.s. a Marksman is another story. I'm wondering if the lack of Hurricane would really suck or not. I would like to solo some bosses, but in most cases I'll just party when I boss. Soloing isn't all that big of a deal to me. I mean it's a nice thing to be able to do, but it's not really a top-priority. My best friend IRL is in a Zak guild, and they really need Archers for SE, so getting into Zak won't really be a problem either way. I really like Freeze though...D=
There is something I should note though: I plan on using Trumark's Bloodmaster build in 4th, and I know that Bloodmastering doesn't hurt a MM's damage as much as a Bowmaster's...hmm.
Oh, and Bows are sexy. So are Xbows, but not as sexy as Bows.
Marksman or Bowmaster - TugboatWilly - 2008-10-22
good to see so many proud marksmen in this thread!
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-22
Kevvl Wrote:If you REALLY can't decide, make both, and then pick whichever you like more. That is to say, choose sometime in 2nd job, when you've experienced both firsthand.
Nty..it took my forever to get to lv 29.lol
Marksman or Bowmaster - Technolink - 2008-10-22
Synyster Wrote:Nty..it took my forever to get to lv 29.lol
You may want to compare 2nd and 3rd jobs more then 4th then. If 1st job was hard, then 3rd will be really tough.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Sihan - 2008-10-22
So..what's better at 3rd? I can survive through 2nd easy. PQs.
Marksman or Bowmaster - randompeep - 2008-10-22
From what I hear, Marksmen/ Snipers (right?) are better in 3rd Job, due to freezing abilities, though neither class is bad.
But, I'm currently making a BM-to-be, so I cannot confirm accuracy.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Kevvl - 2008-10-22
Synyster Wrote:So..what's better at 3rd? I can survive through 2nd easy. PQs.
Having played both, they are:
About the same. The playstyle is different, but Blizzard lowers DPS too much to rely on it heavily. I use the exact same tactics to Squid and Goby, and Newties is mainly about using Hawk/Eagle.
Marksman or Bowmaster - KaidaTan - 2008-10-23
Clint Wrote:There is something I should note though: I plan on using Trumark's Bloodmaster build in 4th, and I know that Bloodmastering doesn't hurt a MM's damage as much as a Bowmaster's...hmm.
Not true. Well.. kind of true, but I don't think you understand. Bowmasters lose more potential DPS per DEX because they have more to lose. They both lose almost exactly the same percent of their potential damages.
(Example: I get taxed 30% of my yearly income which is $50,000. I lose $15,000 a year. My friend makes $100,000 and also gets taxed 30%. He loses $30,000 a year. See, he lost more but we both lost the same %. In this case, stats such as DEX take off a % of your damage. Bowmasters lose more because they have a "higher income," doing more damage.)
Also... if you're not laggy, I don't think you have any reason to die at squids past the first 10 minutes. After 10 minutes, you should realize that the only thing that does more than 150 damage to you is Goby Houses, Purple Squid lightning, and touch damage. Black squids are laughably weak. I hope you were talking about Purple Squids, but even so, you shouldn't die there unless you absolutely cannot keep your eyes open while you train. Even they do pathetic damage for their level. Spirit vikings do more than triple as much damage with their ranged attack. Dying at squids pretty much means you lag, you can't pay attention, you don't have enough HP to take a hit, or you suck at this game. Sorry to be the condescending one, but I can't believe (non-laggy) people die at squids.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Kevvl - 2008-10-23
KaidaTan Wrote:Not true. Well.. kind of true, but I don't think you understand. Bowmasters lose more potential DPS per DEX because they have more to lose. They both lose almost exactly the same percent of their potential damages.
The main reason people say they lose less, is because once you can 100% 2hko a Skelegon with Strafe, you've reached your limit. Bloodmastery makes that take longer for Xbowmen, but they still hit that limit. Bowmasters on the other hand would still be able to reduce how many Hurricane arrows a Skelegon takes.
If you boss, then you lose the same amount of damage proportionally.
Marksman or Bowmaster - KaidaTan - 2008-10-23
Kevvl Wrote:The main reason people say they lose less, is because once you can 100% 2hko a Skelegon with Strafe, you've reached your limit. Bloodmastery makes that take longer for Xbowmen, but they still hit that limit. Bowmasters on the other hand would still be able to reduce how many Hurricane arrows a Skelegon takes.
If you boss, then you lose the same amount of damage proportionally.
It can still have an effect. I never passed stats, so I won't go into percentages. But one of the things being (slightly) stronger can affect is if/how often you can OHKO with 4 crits, how soon you can OHKO with 3 crits, how many total crits you need within two strafes to KO; do you see where I'm going with this? Every little bit of damage helps. Yeah, not as much as a Bowmaster, but it's definitely not as insignificant as you make it out to be.
Marksman or Bowmaster - Chameleonic - 2008-10-23
Here's a bit of trivia posted by Sybaris on her IA site, she keeps a track of all the Xbowman on the rankings in Bera...
Sybaris Wrote:There is unprecedented inactivity amongst the top Marksmen in Bera. Almost half of the top 100 didnt train at all in the last week, and a quarter have been inactive for more than a month. Of those that are training, the average exp gain is currently around 3 mil exp per day.
I doubt BM are this unmotivated and disillusioned with their class that half of the Top 100 in a server hardly play anymore.