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Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - ElectricSix - 2010-09-13
After giving it some thought I've decided to [vote] TobiasBlack. If anyone is curious, I have made some lists, crunched some numbers, and decided he is currently the most suspicious active person.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Jedward - 2010-09-13
BAM! Right in the middle of the cantina, TobiasBlack falls down. He shivers on the ground, unable to speak.
A nearby adjutant says, "TobiasBlack confirmed victim of mind rape." He is taken out of the bar.
"I guess we can't do anything about him for the day," someone shouts.
"What about tonight?"
"Well, obviously not. He'll be spending that time in a medivac or something."
lol'd
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Dusk - 2010-09-13
oops stupid post
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - ElectricSix - 2010-09-13
. . . Lol oh god that's hilarious. Well I guess I'll have to change my vote to someone else. XD [vote] Lord Xela He was the next person I'd vote for given his mafia experience and his lack of posting. Chances are fairly good he's just a neutral though, so if someone else seems more likely to be mafia, then I'm willing to change my vote.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mephisto - 2010-09-13
[Vote] Lord Xela
I'm 2 for 2, but there was something in my result PM that I don't really understand right now... Gonna have to think on it.
Edit: Actually, I think I might have figured it out. My result got LX as Protoss but it said something about Zerg bio-signatures in his hands. That makes me think that, depending on whether he's Mothership or Arbiter, one of the two people targeted by their abilities today is Zerg. SO, once we lynch LX and find out which unit he is, I'd suggest making either MasPan or Rayquaza our next target.
Either that or he's the Hybrid Destroyer. I find this unlikely as it doesn't really make sense that the Zerg bio-signatures would only be in his hands, but if so we probably want him dead anyway.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Hybrid_destroyer <-- Hybrid Destroyer, for those curious.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Lord Xela - 2010-09-13
There's little point in denying it at this point, really. Any defense I put up would be pointless in the face of what appears as a confirmed detective. However, Meph, you're not quite right - I'm Protoss, but your role guesses are off. You'll find out who I am later, I'm sure. As a parting thought, however: I'm amused to see that this game apparently has one detective per side (unless the Terrans were left without one). While I myself don't have detective powers, one of my Protoss brethren does, and since I'm as good as dead at this point I'm just going to go ahead and state the one interesting detection result we've gotten - Meph is Zerg. Notice, if you will, that he led to a successful lynch yesterday and is going to again today. And both of those lynches have been? Yes, Protoss.
Just some food for thought.
[vote] Mephisto
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mephisto - 2010-09-13
Lord Xela just admitted he was scum, don't believe everything he tells you. His team likely has no detector, as they already have two quite powerful roles, and I'm actually the Terran-aligned Adjutant. My ability is to detect the bio-signature of a player (either Protoss, Zerg or Terran). The fact that I've only gotten Protoss detection results so far is mere coincidence, nothing about this points to me being Zerg-aligned. Remember, LX admitted he's mafia, don't be taken in by his deception, eloquent as it may seem.
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Adjutant <-- My role's wiki page.
If you don't believe me, well, let me just say this: Vote with me today and get rid of a known Protoss, since the doc likely can't protect the same person two nights in a row I'm as good as dead tonight. My innocence will be proved ex-post facto in this case. And if for some reason both mafias target someone else in an attempt to make me look suspicious, well, I'll just have to weed out a Zerg to validate myself in your eyes (whoever you are). And if I can't do that, then feel free to vote for me tomorrow if you want. But I've done everything within my power to help the town so far, and I will do anything more within my power to prove my innocence.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Jedward - 2010-09-13
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Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - MetaSeraphim - 2010-09-13
Infection Wrote:[I]A nearby adjutant says, "TobiasBlack confirmed victim of mind rape." He is taken out of the bar.
What in the world? Isn't vortex a Protoss skill and stasis a Zerg skill? But both got used before this, so what is this caused by, a neutral?
Mephisto Wrote:His team likely has no detector, as they already have two quite powerful roles
How do you know they have two powerful roles when only one Protoss has been killed and your skill only allows you to detect the bio-signature of a player? Seems pretty off to me.
If you can provide a good reason for how you know they have two powerful roles I'll remove my vote, but for now I am voting for you because I believe we need to pick off a Zerg before they become more powerful than the Protoss.
[vote]Mephisto
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Corn - 2010-09-13
Well, we know 100% Lord Xela is Protoss and 50% Mephisto is Zerg. On the offchance Mephisto gets killed the next night, well, we have 2 Mafias dead (woot).
[vote] Lord Xela
By the way, hurray for the doctor for protecting Mephisto last night?
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mephisto - 2010-09-13
MetaSeraphim Wrote:If you can provide a good reason for how you know they have two powerful roles I'll remove my vote, but for now I am voting for you because I believe we need to pick off a Zerg before they become more powerful than the Protoss.
[vote]Mephisto
Vortex is the spell of a Protoss unit, the Mothership. Staasis is the spell of the Protoss Arbiter. Considering each ability can take one person out of the game entirely for a day, I'd say the Protoss have two pretty powerful roles there. Please, remove your vote from me, anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of StarCraft (which you should have if you've been reading the links I've been posting) can follow this logic. If you consider this a bad reason and prefer to keep your vote on me despite the other reasons I provided (which you conveniently ignore), you'll become highly suspicious in my eyes.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Dusk - 2010-09-13
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - ThatHurts - 2010-09-13
Dusk Wrote:I'm voting [vote]Mephisto. Lord Xela is a confirmed Protoss. There are more of them anyway, and we can get rid of him tomorrow. If Mephisto is Zerg, we need to get rid of him now. Zerg is still out there in full force, and once they prevent the Protoss from interfering, they will be at a huge advantage as we sit in the dark clueless about who the Zerg members are.
I like this reasoning, but how do we even know Meph is zerg?
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Dual - 2010-09-13
[COLOR="green"]As of right now, I'm going to [vote] Lord Xela
Mephisto may or may not be Zerg, but Xela is confirmed Protoss.
I do currently suspect that Mephisto is Zerg, but it's better to eliminate one side of a mafia first. Not to mention Mephisto, if he is mafia, has investigative powers, meaning there's no reason to off him, considering we don't know what Xela's power is. If we work our way killing off one side quicker, it will become easier for us to find the other while staying alive, considering there's only 1 nightkill per night that way.
I'm also a little suspicious of the people voting for Mephisto today. You have a confirmed Protoss in front of you. There's no real reason to vote for him, due to the fact that he's done so much good for the town. Even if he is Zerg, he appears to have no outward power as of yet that would be of harm to us, and all he can do is investigate.
Also Kurtle, on your comment on the nightkill being stopped, are you saying you're the one that stopped it?
Posting this from school, will respond to anything questioned about it when I get home.[/COLOR]
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mephisto - 2010-09-13
Dusk Wrote:I'm voting [vote]Mephisto. Lord Xela is a confirmed Protoss. There are more of them anyway, and we can get rid of him tomorrow. If Mephisto is Zerg, we need to get rid of him now. Zerg is still out there in full force, and once they prevent the Protoss from interfering, they will be at a huge advantage as we sit in the dark clueless about who the Zerg members are.
Why do you think I'm Zerg, though? Because I have a detective role and Lord Xela claims that I'm Zerg? Let me ask you, if I were Zerg, why would I go public with my investigations and bring unneeded attention to myself when I could just as easily tell my fellow mafians what I've discovered and let them take care of it with a night kill? Honestly, I would be stupid for revealing what I have if I were Zerg. Maybe you'd think I was attempting a fakeclaim as detective, and seeing as I have detective powers you wouldn't be dumb to think that, but if this were the case, the real detective could easily (and most likely would) check me out at night and blow my cover completely.
Edit: Another thing, in a scenario where I'm a member of the Zerg, my team probably would have made a kill last night, as we would have known I'm not really the detective and thus would have targeted somebody else. This is of course an assumption, but it seems likely that the Zerg and maybe even the Protoss targeted me last night, with the doctor preventing both kills.
Edit2: By the way, it sounds like whoever "mind raped" Tobias is a Zerg Infestor using their Neural Parasite ability. Here's a link:
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Infestor
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - ElectricSix - 2010-09-13
Dusk Wrote:I'm voting [vote]Mephisto. Lord Xela is a confirmed Protoss. There are more of them anyway, and we can get rid of him tomorrow. If Mephisto is Zerg, we need to get rid of him now. Zerg is still out there in full force, and once they prevent the Protoss from interfering, they will be at a huge advantage as we sit in the dark clueless about who the Zerg members are.
Well, I've thought about it, and at this point, I'd say MetaSeraphim and Mephisto are both equally likely a Detective or mafia. Meta has seemed somewhat suspicious to me because this is the first time he's voted, even after last round where Tobias and CoB voted for him. To me that seems to imply either that a) He knew he had the vote in hand against the other two or b) He was absolutely sure that y0shi or Tobias was a mafia or neutral. If he is a detective, then obviously that would explain him trying to play things low key whilst he searches other people, and now after Mephisto has claimed to be a Terran detective, Meta decided he couldn't risk keeping quiet. On the other hand, he may be trying to kill the actual detective by presenting us with an apparently false choice. His claim that a possible Zerg detective is more dangerous than a relatively confirmed Protoss mafia member seems sketchy to me. Yes there is some amount of danger to having a mafia detective around, but so far he's seemingly hunted the Protoss. That's never a bad thing, as Mafia vs Mafia kills are to the towns advantage. Thus he could be mafia, a detective, or a mafia detective. It's hard to say at this point.
Mephisto on the other hand has proven accurate with his vote of y0shi, and apparently with Lord Xela. That doesn't remove him from suspicion though, as it is possible he's a neutral detective, a mafia detective, a regular detective, or the spokesperson for a mafia detective. Any of those are possibilities, but it's safe to say he's not the claimed Protoss detective since he's worked to kill them. That leaves him with Zerg, Terran, or Neutral tendencies. Of those, I'd say it's far more likely he's Terran or Zerg. Thus he and Meta are about equal in my eyes. However, he is hunting down Protoss, while Meta hasn't done much, so I'm inclined to side with him for the moment. If Meta were to in some way verify his own non mafianess, I'd be willing to change my vote to Mephisto, but for now, Lord Xela is the sure mafia and I'd rather take a sure lynch than a possible mafia lynch.
And while I'm talking about Lord Xela. I think I'll mention that with his comments, he'sdone a decent job trying to make things murky for the rest of us. Probably my main issue, is that although he claimed that they have their own detective and discovered Mephisto is a Zerg, he didn't give any specifics. Not what zerg, what his ability was, or anything else. That sort of vagueness after claiming to have your own detective is a bit puzzling and seems more inclined to mean that it's a fake claim to get us to kill our own detective. I'm not saying that there isn't some suspicion on Mephisto, but between his comments being rather vague, and Meta's comments not providing adequate proof, I'm going to stick with my vote for Lord Xela
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Dusk - 2010-09-13
Actually, after reading the above arguments, I'm changing my vote to [vote]Lord Xela.
However, I still think that Mephisto should be held suspect. What bothers me is that Mephisto is openly claiming to be the Terran detective. If he is being honest here, then this seems like a foolish move to me. The blocked kill last night was probably on him. How long can he be protected? Both mafia factions are still around and both mafia factions would love to see him out of the picture. Terran players can't communicate privately, and getting himself killed on Day 2 or 3 and losing such a powerful ability so early in the game is a really bad idea.
If he is Zerg, it makes perfect sense for him to hunt down a few Protoss to gain trust, and to prevent himself from being removed. Zerg players can communicate, and he could even be a puppet claiming to have detection abilities while a partner feeds him the results from their night actions. I think Zerg could be setting up a really big win here while we focus on taking out Protoss. We have NO idea who any of the Zerg players are right now, and I think that's a problem.
And I agree that MetaSeraphim could also be a Protoss member.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Lord Xela - 2010-09-13
ElectricSix Wrote:Probably my main issue, is that although he claimed that they have their own detective and discovered Mephisto is a Zerg, he didn't give any specifics. Not what zerg, what his ability was, or anything else. That sort of vagueness after claiming to have your own detective is a bit puzzling and seems more inclined to mean that it's a fake claim to get us to kill our own detective.
Mephisto Wrote:My ability is to detect the bio-signature of a player (either Protoss, Zerg or Terran).
Meph only seems to get alignments. Why would our detective be better? Also, just a stab in the dark really (I haven't played SC2, I just found this on the wiki page), but my guess for his role? An Overseer. It's a caster/detector, with the detector part being the key aspect. Some new mutation of Overlords, apparently.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - Mephisto - 2010-09-13
Dusk Wrote:Actually, after reading the above arguments, I'm changing my vote to [vote]Lord Xela.
However, I still think that Mephisto should be held suspect. What bothers me is that Mephisto is openly claiming to be the Terran detective. If he is being honest here, then this seems like a foolish move to me. The blocked kill last night was probably on him. How long can he be protected? Both mafia factions are still around and both mafia factions would love to see him out of the picture. Terran players can't communicate privately, and getting himself killed on Day 2 or 3 and losing such a powerful ability so early in the game is a really bad idea.
If he is Zerg, it makes perfect sense for him to hunt down a few Protoss to gain trust, and to prevent himself from being removed. Zerg players can communicate, and he could even be a puppet claiming to have detection abilities while a partner feeds him the results from their night actions. I think Zerg could be setting up a really big win here while we focus on taking out Protoss. We have NO idea who any of the Zerg players are right now, and I think that's a problem.
And I agree that MetaSeraphim could also be a Protoss member.
I can understand where you're coming from, and it may seem like a bad move to reveal myself so early, but with 2 mafia factions performing kills I'll consider my job as detective done well if I take out 2, or even 3 mafia members before dying. Even better if they're all the same faction. As DualReaver said, taking out one faction and lowering night deaths to a maximum of one helps us a lot in the long term, even if it means I get taken out early as a result. Also, consider that if I were to have kept my mouth shut on these two successful detections and then gotten night killed oh, say, tonight or the next night, you'd be out two successful lynches and my useful information would have gone to waste. As detective, silence is not the best policy, imo. Beyond that, if I really were fake-claiming, the real detective could counter-claim and oust me, which has not happened.
LX, considering the roles that have been revealed so far were all hero units or SC2 plot-relevant characters, I think it's safe to assume many of the roles are either SC2 characters or unique units. I could be wrong, but even the Protoss' generic killer was Mohandar, a hero unit, rather than just a regular Void Ray. Overseer doesn't fit that definition, nice try though.
Wings and Heart of the Legacy of the Void Swarm (Gameplay Thread) - Night 7 - MetaSeraphim - 2010-09-13
Mephisto Wrote:(which you should have if you've been reading the links I've been posting)
I've been paying more attention to the main story instead of the back story, to be completely honest. I didn't know that they have two stopping roles, so I'll remove my vote.
[vote]Lord Xela