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Final Death of Necroposting - WizMystery - 2010-07-23

Eosian Wrote:You're requesting an exception.
Exceptions to the rules require justifications, not the rules themselves which have already justified their existence in some way.
You've yet to provide a reason why this is exception is necessary in any way with the options currently available.

I already gave my justification, the forum is not prone to problems that arise from necroposting. How is that not a valid argument?

If you were to view this as multiple copies of the same rule on each individual forum, it wouldn't just be an exception, it would be a request to remove one of those copies.

I'm still wondering why it seems so important to everyone to keep that rule on that forum.

Swerve Wrote:From what I understand about posting a new thread, it shouldn't take more than a few seconds to put it up on a single forum. I understand that it takes time to write it, so why don't you just place it in the Open Canvas and give yourself a break? I don't see the reasoning behind OBJECTING from placing it in a section where you can update as you please, that is all. People are being so argumentative of the rule as if it has to be a big deal, and it just doesn't have to be a big deal. If you would give me a valid argument as to why, maybe I would accept why the status quo must change. It's not because I'm a psychophant authortitarian worshiper, it's not because you are arguing over a section that only has SIX threads where 1/3 of the threads won't ever be updated, 1/3 has been inactive, & 1/3 is solely composed of your own contributions, it's because there is no pineappleing practical reason why you can't just post in the Open Canvas and preserve your project until the day your plantain shrivels up in your grave.

So the moral is to just... do everything you're told and don't question it?


Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-23

WizMystery Wrote:I'm still wondering why it seems to important to everyone to keep that rule on that forum.

And we're still wondering why it's important for you to remove it when it's never caused a problem yet.

The "not prone to problems" works both ways. You're wanting to exempt an entire forum on the off chance at some point in the next decade it needs it, not based on it actually doing so at any point since the policy went into effect.


Final Death of Necroposting - WizMystery - 2010-07-23

Eosian Wrote:And we're still wondering why it's important for you to remove it when it's never caused a problem yet.

The "not prone to problems" works both ways. You're wanting to exempt an entire forum on the off chance at some point in the next decade it needs it, not based on it actually doing so at any point since the policy went into effect.

You realize I'm not doing this because it's that big of a problem (it's still a minor inconvienience), it's just me trying to make the site better. I'm not even the one who had the idea of coming here to request an exception, someone else agrees with me. It doesn't matter whether or not it has caused a problem (it has, no matter how minor that problem is), you're trying to fix something that isn't broken.


Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-23

WizMystery Wrote:you're trying to fix something that isn't broken.

Yes, you are, by your own admission.


Final Death of Necroposting - WizMystery - 2010-07-23

Eosian Wrote:Yes, you are, by your own admission.

But you are too, agreed?


Final Death of Necroposting - Swerve - 2010-07-23

WizMystery Wrote:You realize I'm not doing this because it's that big of a problem (it's still a minor inconvienience), it's just me trying to make the site better. I'm not even the one who had the idea of coming here to request an exception, someone else agrees with me. It doesn't matter whether or not it has caused a problem (it has, no matter how minor that problem is), you're trying to fix something that isn't broken.

The measure is to make it easier for moderators to do their jobs. Out of all the duties they have to perform, necroposting will no longer have to be considered as they thumb through posts. I'd like to think that instead of giving us the smoking gun for us to shoot, Eosian has simply removed it from even being abused. Instead of raising the possibility of getting banned, a measure was induced to try to stop that possibility altogether. If you really are interested in responding to an old thread, then you can try posting up a new thread and cross-reference the old post. If Eosian wants to fix things that aren't broken, then why is it a problem if he works on things that are a non-issue. I don't understand what the big deal is about the necroposting restrictions, especially after certain areas have gotten exclusion privileges. The site isn't going to be better off due to bumping old posts that were written a long time ago. The site will improve when people begin to contribute new and original threads that haven't been sourced off of an image board or you-tube. The fact is that there are many methods available to you in order to update your thread. If necroposting was never a big issue, then why is it a big issue when Eos implements some methods to make it more manageable?


Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-23

WizMystery Wrote:But you are too, agreed?

No, because as Rick explained, it was a problem, and a solution was requested. I fixed what was broken.
That solution happened to be global, because the problem itself occurs all over the forum. Places that it made sense to exempt were exempted.

You're trying to gain a new exemption for an area you yourself have just admitted doesn't really need one.


Final Death of Necroposting - WizMystery - 2010-07-23

Swerve Wrote:The measure is to make it easier for moderators to do their jobs. Out of all the duties they have to perform, necroposting will no longer have to be considered as they thumb through posts. I'd like to think that instead of giving us the smoking gun for us to shoot, Eosian has simply removed it from even being abused. Instead of raising the possibility of getting banned, a measure was induced to try to stop that possibility altogether. If you really are interested in responding to an old thread, then you can try posting up a new thread and cross-reference the old post. If Eosian wants to fix things that aren't broken, then why is it a problem if he works on things that are a non-issue. I don't understand what the big deal is about the necroposting restrictions, especially after certain areas have gotten exclusion privileges. The site isn't going to be better off due to bumping old posts that were written a long time ago. The site will improve when people begin to contribute new and original threads that haven't been sourced off of an image board or you-tube. The fact is that there are many methods available to you in order to update your thread. If necroposting was never a big issue, then why is it a big issue when Eos implements some methods to make it more manageable?

I am happy with this feature being used on the rest of the site, where it is needed. However, it is not needed here. That's the issue.

Actually, you know what? This isn't the issue. Instead of going around in circles I might as well pull out the semi-ad hominem arguement I've been trying to avoid.

The real issue here is the way that this place is being run. I, as a member of your forum, come here requesting a small, small change, only to be denied because of some logic that barely applies. Was I correct that this only takes a few seconds to change? The fact that statement was ignored, along with several other statements I've made, leaves me to believe so. If necroposting was to become a problem in this forum sometime in the near future, couldn't it just be changed again?

If you can't tell, I'm getting a little ticked off here. I started this just as a small request. May I remind you what this site is? This is a forum, basically a social networking site. This is a place where people are supposed to interact with each other on a personal level. However, I feel as if this personal relation is nonexistant. Why? If it was there, this rule would have been quickly taken off the forum, knowing no harm would come from it. Instead, I am faced with the actions that would most likely be handed off to an employee at some company. It seems like the rules are more important to everyone instead of the satisfaction of the members of this site. This is not some business.

Eos, while I have nothing against you, I feel like you are just exerting your power over me for the hell of it.

Again, I've been trying to avoid saying this, but I felt I must.


Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-24

WizMystery Wrote:However, it is not needed here. That's the issue.

Based on what?
The section you're talking about doesn't even get acknowledged as a postable section 90% of the time, the majority of users think it's just a heading like "MapleStory" and "Main".
Claiming it's a barrier to socializing is absolute crap and you know it, because if that were remotely true that area would've been more active before the policy went into effect.

Your opinion that it's not necessary there is not going to change policy. Facts will. Prove there is a reason to change it to how you want it and it will be considered. Anything less and it goes into the pile along with all the other random opinions, regardless of who you are.

Not bending over to every half-assed idea that gets thrown out is not "exerting my power" over anyone; I've already demonstrated willingness to make changes that can be rationalized. It's refusing to waste time on things people can't be bothered to justify, and yes, that is my management style, this is not news. You're welcome to whatever opinion you choose to form on the subject as long as you don't violate the R&R.


Final Death of Necroposting - WizMystery - 2010-07-24

Eosian Wrote:Based on what?
The section you're talking about doesn't even get acknowledged as a postable section 90% of the time, the majority of users think it's just a heading like "MapleStory" and "Main".
Claiming it's a barrier to socializing is absolute crap and you know it, because if that were remotely true that area would've been more active before the policy went into effect.

Your opinion that it's not necessary there is not going to change policy. Facts will. Prove there is a reason to change it to how you want it and it will be considered. Anything less and it goes into the pile along with all the other random opinions, regardless of who you are.

Not bending over to every half-assed idea that gets thrown out is not "exerting my power" over anyone; I've already demonstrated willingness to make changes that can be rationalized. It's refusing to waste time on things people can't be bothered to justify, and yes, that is my management style, this is not news. You're welcome to whatever opinion you choose to form on the subject as long as you don't violate the R&R.

See? This is just it, you don't care about anyone personally, you just follow logic. If this is the way you continue to manage this site, then what purpose do I have here? I now have the sudden urge to leave this site completely, all due to that. If you think it's me, go ahead, I just don't agree with the policies being implimented here.

I am sorry for arguing like this, but I'm just going to leave.


Final Death of Necroposting - Swerve - 2010-07-24

WizMystery Wrote:See? This is just it, you don't care about anyone personally, you just follow logic. If this is the way you continue to manage this site, then what purpose do I have here? I now have the sudden urge to leave this site completely, all due to that. If you think it's me, go ahead, I just don't agree with the policies being implimented here.

I am sorry for arguing like this, but I'm just going to leave.

WizMystery...


Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-24

You've created an emotional investment in being right about something you've admitted isn't even an issue.

If you feel having it your way is important enough to quit over, that's your choice, but if I gave in to everyone who threatened to quit over every decision I made this place would be anarchy and if people actually followed through we wouldn't be showing a 200% increase in traffic right now.

Threatening to leave is not a trump all get it your way card - It's the last resort of someone who didn't have a point and is taking their toys and going home.

We'll still be here when you change your mind later.


Final Death of Necroposting - Swerve - 2010-07-24

Eosian Wrote:You've created an emotional investment in being right about something you've admitted isn't even an issue. If you feel having it your way is important enough to quit over, that's your choice, but if I gave in to everyone who threatened to quit over every decision I made this place would be anarchy and if people actually followed through we wouldn't be showing a 200% increase in traffic right now. Threatening to leave is not a trump all get it your way card - It's the last resort of someone who didn't have a point and is taking their toys and going home. We'll still be here when you change your mind later.

Eos-chan. That's unnecessary.

WizMystery if you're reading this, thank you for sharing your contributions with this forum board. I appreciate the fact that you turned to this site after you got sick of Sleepywood and hope that you return. Thank you for your patronage.

I'm sorry for the fact that we were in disagreement. I happen to agree with Eos-chan regarding this topic, so I'm sorry if it looks like we were ganging up on you with double-play. There have been many times that I've gotten angry with Eos and have had my number of fights where I called it quits and even told him that I would burn Southperry into the ground due to his insolence. At the time Eos refused to admit that I was a Super Saiyan and told me that I was being arrogant about my power level. In order to prove him wrong, we would continually fight across the many stars of Namek. Despite these battles, I realized that I enjoyed them and that there is a more to a community than just necroposts and an administrator. Not everyone likes Eos. But being angry over one user is hardly a reason to quit a forum board. If you don't decide to come back, then good luck with life and the afterlife and the life there-after.


Final Death of Necroposting - WizMystery - 2010-07-24

Swerve Wrote:Eos-chan. That's unnecessary.

WizMystery if you're reading this, thank you for sharing your contributions with this forum board. I appreciate the fact that you turned to this site after you got sick of Sleepywood and hope that you return. Thank you for your patronage.

I'm sorry for the fact that we were in disagreement. I happen to agree with Eos-chan regarding this topic, so I'm sorry if it looks like we were ganging up on you with double-play. There have been many times that I've gotten angry with Eos and have had my number of fights where I called it quits and even told him that I would burn Southperry into the ground due to his insolence. At the time Eos refused to admit that I was a Super Saiyan and told me that I was being arrogant about my power level. In order to prove him wrong, we would continually fight across the many stars of Namek. Despite these battles, I realized that I enjoyed them and that there is a more to a community than just necroposts and an administrator. Not everyone likes Eos. But being angry over one user is hardly a reason to quit a forum board. If you don't decide to come back, then good luck with life and the afterlife and the life there-after.

What you don't realize is how many times I've felt like leaving in the past, yet stayed because I believed in this site. This isn't the only reason, I just have a feeling it would be better if I left.


Final Death of Necroposting - Swerve - 2010-07-24

WizMystery Wrote:What you don't realize is how many times I've felt like leaving in the past, yet stayed because I believed in this site. This isn't the only reason, I just have a feeling it would be better if I left.

Well if you end up being happier not visiting the url to this site, then do whatever makes you happy. If you become curious and want to log into this site, then you can do this as well. You shouldn't limit yourself by self-censoring something you might find to be interesting in the future. Trends change, people change, and a lot of things within the community change. I'm not going to feed you garbage by telling you that you can be a catalyst for positive change or that you can turn this forum board into something you desire if you work hard and put in the initiative. That's absolute bullshit. But if you ever want somewhere to post up your music files or want to see what has happened, then don't feel bad about stopping by again. The only reason we do what we do on this site is because it makes us happy, whether directly or indirectly. Just do whatever makes you happy. That's really all I can tell you.


Final Death of Necroposting - Adramelech - 2010-07-25

this reminds me of the twilight zone epsiode "the obsolete man" ..


Final Death of Necroposting - Satellite - 2010-07-27

I was about to post Mechanic videos to the resistance videos thread, but apparently thread is too old so I'm not allowed to post:

"Sorry Satellite, You are not allowed to reply to threads that are older than 21 days."

I guess someone has to make own thread for Mechanic videos then?

And about this update...
Let's say I had a drawing thread, I couldn't use it anymore if last post has been posted more than 21 days ago?

This update may be a cure for thread bumps, but there will now be more threads just for one screenshot or video.


Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-27

Satellite Wrote:And about this update...
Let's say I had a drawing thread, I couldn't use it anymore if last post has been posted more than 21 days ago?

Read the feature explanation - http://www.southperry.net/showthread.php?t=29567 and this entire thread that already existed discussing the feature.


Final Death of Necroposting - Khoi - 2010-07-27

Problem with all of this is that first of all, you're limiting your moderation team. Their job is to help moderate the forum. Secondly, closing threads after 21 days? Isn't that rather hasty? Why not close it off after every 3 weeks (28 days)? Or perhaps even a month? All you're doing, really, is making it less of a hassle for the team, while on the other hand, encouraging users to spam more threads. Assume that the "What anime have you been watching?" thread doesn't get a response in approximately 21 days straight because xyz users have been busy with their lives. But a new member joined and wanted to post, but oh no, it's locked. Yes, then sticky it. Oh, but then you'd have to sticky a ton of threads that people likes to post in ...actively. This creates a new problem.

By doing this, you've closed off older threads, but encouraged others to make the same threads after every 21 days under the assumption that a specific thread doesn't get a reply in 21 days.

Enjoy.

I'm sure Sarah and the others pretty much expected the same sh`it I did, so they all left. Surprised the rest of you haven't.


Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-27

Omni Wrote:Problem with all of this is that first of all, you're limiting your moderation team. Their job is to help moderate the forum.

Their job is what I say it is. And I say they're not the timestamp police. End of story there.

Omni Wrote:Secondly, closing threads after 21 days? Isn't that rather hasty? Why not close it off after every 3 weeks (28 days)? Or perhaps even a month? All you're doing, really, is making it less of a hassle for the team, while on the other hand, encouraging users to spam more threads. Assume that the "What anime have you been watching?" thread doesn't get a response in approximately 21 days straight because xyz users have been busy with their lives. But a new member joined and wanted to post, but oh no, it's locked. Yes, then sticky it. Oh, but then you'd have to sticky a ton of threads that people likes to post in ...actively. This creates a new problem.

21 days is every three weeks. The current necroposting rule was 2 weeks, or 14 days. This change extended the time someone had to make a reply, making "hasty" a ridiculous counter argument. The only thing that will be stickied is items that warrant it because the OP has the ability to extend the life of their thread at any time without bumping it. If they don't exist 21 days later and no one has touched the thread, it's time for a new version of it anyhow.

New users can't even see threads that have passed the deadline unless they adjust their settings or specifically search for them, except in forums that are exempt from the rule in the first place, or in announcement type sections where they'd still have no reason to reply to something quite dead but should be allowed to see them.

Omni Wrote:By doing this, you've closed off older threads, but encouraged others to make the same threads after every 21 days under the assumption that a specific thread doesn't get a reply in 21 days.

You speak of creating a new thread like it's some unheard of monstrosity. It's the exact same resource drain on the server whether we have one thread with 5000 posts or 1000 threads with 50, and it's easier on everyone to only have to wade through the more current iterations, especially if there's nearly month long gaps in between each version, which their shouldn't be anyhow because if it's going past 14 days without posting most of it gets locked today the minute someone necros it, invalidating your argument and before the rule changes last month the necro ticker was seven days, meaning even less chances of older threads being available to post in.

Omni Wrote:I'm sure Sarah and the others pretty much expected the same sh`it I did, so they all left. Surprised the rest of you haven't.

Sarah would be quite happy to tell you why she left so please don't try to supply reasons on her behalf based on your own opinions. She can speak for herself, as can others, something you clearly lack the balls to do directly based on your lame attempt to hide this particular chunk of your message in white text. If you have an actual problem with how the site is being run you're welcome to bring it up, but I expect it to actually be factual and have points, preferably even original ones we haven't hashed over a half dozen times already, not be opinionated whining about the end of the world just because something changed and you don't like it just because I did it. Venting is for the angry dome or your blog and we explicitly forbid "I'm quitting" and "this is why I quit" threads because no one cares.