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[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Dusk - 2010-07-07
Turtally Wrote:Except hardly anyone uses the 163 staffs.
They still exist. The wands also have 145 attack clean, and are lukless. Justify that one.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Takebacker - 2010-07-07
Dusk Wrote:They still exist. The wands also have 145 attack clean, and are lukless. Justify that one.
How about the fact that luckless mages can't hit s'hit? Lol.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Shidoshi - 2010-07-07
JoeTang Wrote:I thought he meant the damage reduction per mob.
You still need confirmation that damage over time is affected by Elemental Amplification or Elemental Wands, don't you? All I know right now is that it works off of your range; i.e. literally 160%/s. The 160% may be affected by Amplification or Wand, but your range surely is not, as those things affect spell base damage.
That's why I included the 3 different versions over there, for one elemental weakness was showed to affect DoT so it's not such a shot in the dark.
Also, wait until someone comes showing that FD and Paralyze DoT stack and then we'll see a F/P bandwaggon =D
Also, you shouldn't be including Magic Mastery's bonus into the equation. You don't include Bow Expertise into a Bow Master's DPS, do you? It affects their overall Magic Attack, which has nothing to do with %/s.
Well, bow expertise is a fixed bonus to attack while magic mastery is multiplying everything so you might as well include it in order to compare Mages to Evans.
Also, illusion is apparently 400% in the [KOR] Revamp thread, i'm no evan expert though.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - JoeTang - 2010-07-07
Takebacker Wrote:How about the fact that luckless mages can't hit s'hit? Lol.
Just because the Wand is LUK-less doesn't mean the mage has to be. He can cap his LUK as low as he needs to hit pomegranate, and it would likely still be lower than what every other mage using standard gear is, therefore making him stronger,
Shidoshi Wrote:Also, illusion is apparently 400% in the [KOR] Revamp thread, i'm no evan expert though.
It was reduced to 370% in 322.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Yorckie - 2010-07-07
Woa at Paladin's charges... the only one getting buffed is Ice Charge. O_o
Currently, Fire Charge is 140% - BAM - down to 130%
Lightning Charge remains the same.
Divine Charge is 150%... reduced to 135%?! .-.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - LordDamien - 2010-07-07
Turtally Wrote:Except hardly anyone uses the 163 staffs.
except even a horribly scrolled lvl 130 ele wand reaches 150+ magic atk (mine's 156 with +4 int...) on top of the % boost which frankly I think is just bullsh'it so yea.... those wands need to go, period.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - FluffyFoxxie - 2010-07-07
Takebacker Wrote:How about the fact that luckless mages can't hit s'hit? Lol.
You can't say that with any certainty. You'd think getting passive LUK bonuses from common equips would be enough to hit stuff at your own level, or at least, that's the impresion I'm getting. It's not so much based on how much acc you have, but you need to be at least the same lvl as a monster to 100% it.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Takebacker - 2010-07-07
FluffyFoxxie Wrote:You can't say that with any certainty. You'd think getting passive LUK bonuses from common equips would be enough to hit stuff at your own level, or at least, that's the impresion I'm getting. It's not so much based on how much acc you have, but you need to be at least the same lvl as a monster to 100% it.
Experience with my battle mage says otherwise...
Unless you want to explain why my battle mage missed on DGPs (level 108) at level 120 with 4 base luck.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Hazzy - 2010-07-07
FluffyFoxxie Wrote:You can't say that with any certainty. You'd think getting passive LUK bonuses from common equips would be enough to hit stuff at your own level, or at least, that's the impresion I'm getting. It's not so much based on how much acc you have, but you need to be at least the same lvl as a monster to 100% it.
Except that doesn't work with magic. Melee / Weapons? Sure. Not magic.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Dusk - 2010-07-07
Takebacker Wrote:Experience with my battle mage says otherwise...
Unless you want to explain why my battle mage missed on DGPs (level 108) at level 120 with 4 base luck.
That would be like a Warrior missing on things with 4 base dex and what I assume is terrible accuracy gear. You don't need to have 4 base luk to wield lukless weapons.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Turtally - 2010-07-07
JoeTang Wrote:Who the pineapple cares? No one's gonna "hardly" use them once this patch comes into effect. It's not like the 163 staves are NPC fodder.Better question. Who cares about any of this?
I was just pointing out that the "holy hell what" advantage that Ele Staffs have over Timeless staffs will only affect like 5% of the Maple population. A better point would be the 130 wands. SMALL POINT, BIG REACTION. Thanks guys.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - MetaSeraphim - 2010-07-07
Fiel Wrote:Adventurer
What a bunch of sillyness.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - LordDamien - 2010-07-07
about lukless, unless they removed the 999 hard cap on base stats, you end up with 19 extra AP at lvl 200 after maxing out int. I would then suggest lukless mages to raise their base luk to 23 before the patch hits since in the end they'll still max out their int. Not sure how much of a difference this would actually make but it can't hurt ;p
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - FluffyFoxxie - 2010-07-07
Turtally Wrote:Better question. Who cares about any of this?
I was just pointing out that the "holy hell what" advantage that Ele Staffs have over Timeless staffs will only affect like 5% of the Maple population. A better point would be the 130 wands. SMALL POINT, BIG REACTION. Thanks guys.
Just becuase it only affects a few players means it's not unbalanced? lolok.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Will - 2010-07-07
Loving the balances.
Hate this thread.
:| C'mon guys.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Hazzy - 2010-07-07
I doubt only 5% of the active, 4th job population is a level 130+ mage.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - mamaloki - 2010-07-07
Yorckie Wrote:Woa at Paladin's charges... the only one getting buffed is Ice Charge. O_o
Currently, Fire Charge is 140% - BAM - down to 130%
Lightning Charge remains the same.
Divine Charge is 150%... reduced to 135%?! .-.
ya paladin become loladin again. GO AWAY THE BANDWAGON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Daimean - 2010-07-07
Nexon is starting to act like Nintendo.... unable to stay satisfied with their own work for long..
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Turtally - 2010-07-07
Hazzy Wrote:I doubt only 5% of the active, 4th job population is a level 130+ mage.
Sigh. A level 163+ mage owning an Elemental Staff 5/6/7/8. Read: "Ele Staffs". Enjoy your nitpicking.
[1.2.326] (4) Really last chance! - Hazzy - 2010-07-07
Turtally Wrote:Sigh. A level 163+ mage owning an Elemental Staff 5/6/7/8. Read: "Ele Staffs". Enjoy your nitpicking.
Level 130 staves are better than any weapon the other classes' weapons. 'Tis relevant.