SolicShooter Wrote:I kind of don't like WoTa. My main mid champions are Lux, Katarina and Morgana. I prefer a hextech gunblade on Katarina pretty late game and extra spell vamp over that would be excessive. Morgana already has built in spell vamp and needs to rush tankyness to make actual use of her ultimate in a teamfight situation. Well she doesn't, but she does if she is the one to iniate which I usually am as her. RoA, boots, deathcap and hourglass are more important on her to me and it usually doesn't get to the point where I've to think of a 5th/6th item. Lux has no benefit from spell vamp because the teamfight is usually over before she gets her second skill round and she has the range to not die before shooting her entire burst. Any form of defense on her is usually a bad decision in my opinion. She needs the mana reg/cdr/ap/m penetration way too much to be useful and she can definatly pull it off without dying with her amazing range.

Jormungandr Wrote:There's really no reason to get hextech gunblade on kat. It's like 2.4k for it: 70 ap and 20% spell vamp. Of course, the active is useful, but I feel that Wota for 900gold: 80ap 25% spell vamp(total including aura) + 30ap/25%spell vamp aura for rest of your team mates is so much better. Kat doesn't benefit from the attack damage/lifesteal at all. For 1.5k, I'm almost at a large rod or catalyst or anything else. I just use ward+ shunpo to get away from a gank.

On a side note, I'm still debating if I want Lux or not since she's on sale...She's only 3.1k ip though...

Jormungandr Wrote:Kat doesn't benefit from the attack damage at all.

MasPan Wrote:Been learning Lux myself -

Flonne Wrote:On that note, is there any caster that DOESN'T get huge gains from Will of Ancients? Annie gets a lot from it because of the amount of damage she does, Karthus because he can hit everything and spam his q, I tried Vlad and he's like always max life with that thing...just seems like a generally overpowered item, especially since it's an aura lol.

MasPan Wrote:I've used Gunblade a few times on Kog'Maw to decent effect too, given his hybrid damage. I do have a question though - does spell vamp kick in from his W buff, or does it add to normal vamp, or is it completely ignored for vamp purposes?

MasPan Wrote:Kindof. If you die with Mordekaiser's ultimate on you, reviving kills the ghost. Of course, I'm sure Mordekaiser would be delighted to cause an entire team to carry a worthless summoner spell...so yeah.

Quote:The other use I can think of would be a gimmick defensive strategy to fend off a 5-man base assault if your team wipes. Probably be easier to avoid getting into that situation in the first place with better skills overall though.

KajitiSouls Wrote:QSS. Also, didn't know that xD



I find that if the other team has an appreciable amount of tankiness (aka not stupid), there's virtually no way to defend 1v5.

Aynia Wrote:Read her skills, then return. Kay.

FenixR Wrote:Lol, i actually like a AD Kat more than a AP myself the AD ratios are better for her Q and R but shunpo only scales with AP.

Hybrid build is usually how i go with some focus on AD.

Purplefire44 Wrote:WAT.

Jormungandr Wrote:There's really no reason to get hextech gunblade on kat. It's like 2.4k for it: 70 ap and 20% spell vamp. Of course, the active is useful, but I feel that Wota for 900gold: 80ap 25% spell vamp(total including aura) + 30ap/25%spell vamp aura for rest of your team mates is so much better. Kat doesn't benefit from the attack damage/lifesteal at all. For 1.5k, I'm almost at a large rod or catalyst or anything else. I just use ward+ shunpo to get away from a gank.

On a side note, I'm still debating if I want Lux or not since she's on sale...She's only 3.1k ip though...

Jormungandr Wrote:Sorry, I meant lifesteal, not attack damage.

Her ult scales off attack damage, but for 1.6k more, you're getting 70ap and 40 ad. 40ad is like 200 damage, the 70ap is 175, so additional 375. The Wota for 900 and let's add a large rod with 80ap. That gives 160ap which gives 400 damage and an additional 5% spell vamp. The aura also gives your team 30 ap and 25% spell vamp.

Personally I see no reason to get the gunblade or go ad on kat. Her shunpo is too good for her to be ad. It's one of the best tower dive, chase, get away skills, especially combined with her passive. So for 2.4k you can either get the 70 ap, 40 ad, 20% spell vamp and active slow, or get 50 ap and 30ap and 25% spell vamp aura for your team and 80ap(which makes up most of the deathcap). As for the gunblade active, with rylias you should have enough slow on people.

I play kat ap. Boots + pots or book + pots -> revolver -> sorc boots -> RCS -> wota/deathcap -> the other

Jormungandr Wrote:Sorry, I meant lifesteal, not attack damage.

Her ult scales off attack damage, but for 1.6k more, you're getting 70ap and 40 ad. 40ad is like 200 damage, the 70ap is 175, so additional 375. The Wota for 900 and let's add a large rod with 80ap. That gives 160ap which gives 400 damage and an additional 5% spell vamp. The aura also gives your team 30 ap and 25% spell vamp.

Personally I see no reason to get the gunblade or go ad on kat. Her shunpo is too good for her to be ad. It's one of the best tower dive, chase, get away skills, especially combined with her passive. So for 2.4k you can either get the 70 ap, 40 ad, 20% spell vamp and active slow, or get 50 ap and 30ap and 25% spell vamp aura for your team and 80ap(which makes up most of the deathcap). As for the gunblade active, with rylias you should have enough slow on people.

I play kat ap. Boots + pots or book + pots -> revolver -> sorc boots -> RCS -> wota/deathcap -> the other