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Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Pastewrong - 2016-01-06
Foxino Wrote:Lol that is so stupid I don't know if this is protocol from higher up or what because i'm pretty sure the smart thing to do would ban hackers instantly as they would likely just start up a new account and do it again anyway.
They don't seem very consistent...
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Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - xparasite9 - 2016-01-06
Pastewrong Wrote:They don't seem very consistent...
Yes, that is correct. They have never been consistent.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Daakun - 2016-01-06
Another wave of perma nx, another wave that didn't come to reboot.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Proxied - 2016-01-06
Daakun Wrote:Another wave of perma nx, another wave that didn't come to reboot.
This actually makes me so mad. I just want to look not ugly. gdi
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - IceCorp - 2016-01-15
The current GM banning process:
1) Whisper you and ask nicely for you to stop hacking. (link)
2) Ban you for non-compliance and hacking.
3) Accept your appeal and unban you anyways. (link)
So there you have it; second chances for everyone!
Community Manager response: (link)
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - dowie - 2016-01-16
I was grinding away in ghost ship and a GM asked if i was being suspicious and if I wanted to talk. I was leik "wut" and I never heard from him again =(
The lonely world of rebot.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Manifestation - 2016-01-16
dowie Wrote:I was grinding away in ghost ship and a GM asked if i was being suspicious and if I wanted to talk. I was leik "wut" and I never heard from him again =(
The lonely world of rebot.
Every world is anti social .....
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - SaptaZapta - 2016-01-17
So, it's been a month.
On the plus side, they gave out a free pet (or two) in Hot Week. No non-cash skills for it, and we'll see whether Water of Life is added to the Rewards Shop for February (and whether this pet is even revivable), but it's a start.
On the minus side:
The Burning Character event excludes Reboot. Oh well, saves me the decision of whether to burn a link mule for the fast leveling, or my Reboot main for the Frozen set.
This follows Attendances and Hot Days giving worthless potions on Reboot on days when they give valuable scrolls in other worlds, or just plain lesser rewards (4 storage slots instead of 8). Oh, and Beast Tamers on Reboot get nothing when their level-up reward should be a scroll...
Seems Nexon is definitely treating Reboot as the black sheep of the family. "You don't give us money, we won't give you events and nice rewards."
Speaking of giving them money, Reboot Cash Shop continues to offer very little to tempt the
As for cheaters, they were getting banned... then unbanned. I see more of them using their auto-cc now. I guess that's something?
So, is this all still incompetence?
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - dowie - 2016-01-17
heads up hackers/botters you should turn ur auto cc on or nexon will give you a brief time out as a reminder
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Frontlooker - 2016-01-17
dowie Wrote:heads up hackers/botters you should turn ur auto cc on or nexon will give you a brief time out as a reminderThat's not true. The chance of getting caught with auto CC on is higher.
Also I love how everyone says Nexon sucks, etc. when Nexon makes 100x what Blizzard, Valve and Riot makes together.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - TidusLoveYuna - 2016-01-17
Frontlooker Wrote:That's not true. The chance of getting caught with auto CC on is higher.
Also I love how everyone says Nexon sucks, etc. when Nexon makes 100x what Blizzard, Valve and Riot makes together.
really ? :f6:
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Invulgo - 2016-01-17
"Is Nexon intentionally trying set their product up for failure from the beginning?"
That's very outrageous, no company wants their newly implemented content to fail intentionally. I assume there will be more ways to monetize the reboot server without implementing pay2win features, for instance more cosmetic stuff. Also the majority of us aren't marketing expert that have access to analytical data, these speculations can't lead to anything productive in my opinion.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Chew - 2016-01-17
C'mon guys! It's not like Nexon doesn't want to give you the events, they just lack the "resources" to do so
Frontlooker Wrote:when Nexon makes 100x what Blizzard, Valve and Riot makes together.
That's some bold statement right there. I've seen pomegranate getting fixed in matter of minutes at CS:GO and Dota 2, of course I'm talking about bugs.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Marksman Bryan - 2016-01-17
Frontlooker Wrote:Nexon makes 100x what Blizzard, Valve and Riot makes together.
I highly doubt that's even close to true. The only way that might be close is if you look at NexonKR profits instead of NA's measly ~4% of their total income.
Since this thread specifically has NexonNA in the title... There's no way your statement can be accurate.
The rampant hackers and botters, lack of management, and terrible reboot community has once again turned me off to the game. I've stopped playing and moved back to MS2.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Grey - 2016-01-17
At this point, I don't think it matters whether they really meant to or not, they really messed up with their handling of Reboot. How they figured they could just put it up right before a holiday is beyond me, especially without prior testing. Honestly, they probably should've held off until the summer and at least had a round of Tespia. For some people, Reboot is already beyond repair, with the rampant botting, which is only made worse by their flip-flop bans, and it's only getting worse with time. It seems like, with the limited selection of items available in the cash shop, they're not even giving people who would want to spend money on Reboot much of a chance. I've seen the new CM talk about Nexon thinking about what they might be able to do with Surprise Style Boxes on Reboot, when there already exists a solution on KMS Reboot, they just have some of the outfits available for purchase in packages. Why don't we have the permanent NX clothes available each week on Reboot? I think we've seen that as a whole, people tend to be more willing to spend on permanent clothes than temporary, and I know for a fact that I've personally spent a whole lot more money on permanent clothes than I ever have on temporary items.
Marksman Bryan Wrote:I highly doubt that's even close to true. The only way that might be close is if you look at NexonKR profits instead of NA's measly ~4% of their total income.
Since this thread specifically has NexonNA in the title... There's no way your statement can be accurate.
The rampant hackers and botters, lack of management, and terrible reboot community has once again turned me off to the game. I've stopped playing and moved back to MS2.
According to their earnings report, all branches of Nexon made a combined 19 billion yen net in Q3 2015, which at the exchange rate presented in their slides is like 155 million USD. Meanwhile, Activision Blizzard made 990 million GAAP (1040 million non-GAAP, I don't know what kind of accounting standards Nexon follows) net in the same quarter. However, they don't divide up their Activision vs Blizzard incomes, so comparing Nexon vs Blizzard might very well show Nexon doing better, but I still find it quite unlikely that Nexon as a whole makes more than the three companies combined.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - SaptaZapta - 2016-01-17
Invulgo Wrote:"Is Nexon intentionally trying set their product up for failure from the beginning?"
That's very outrageous, no company wants their newly implemented content to fail intentionally. I assume there will be more ways to monetize the reboot server without implementing pay2win features, for instance more cosmetic stuff. Also the majority of us aren't marketing expert that have access to analytical data, these speculations can't lead to anything productive in my opinion.
I don't know how much of the thread you've read, but some theories have been offered as to why a company might want its product to fail.
1. It's not "their product." Mama Korea forced it on them, and they're being passive-aggressive about it in an attempt to show Korea that "this concept can't work in GMS."
2. They think they're smarter than KMS. For example, the meso sacks they thought they could put in. For example, the pets (that in KMS can all be bought with Mileage). They plan to put the meso sacks, or other pay2win items, back in the Reboot shop, because "it can't break even otherwise." And maybe then add all the good cosmetics, so that they can have the income from both that and p2w items.
3. They believe that once Reboot shuts down (because the community abused it, hence "we can't have nice things") all the people who returned to Maple for Reboot will go to the paying servers because they'll have become addicted again.
Conspiracy theories? Yeah, maybe.
And maybe they're incompetent.
Or maybe they're as clever as you think.
For now, though, the Reboot population is dropping. The population bars during 2x this AM were not even full. First time I saw that happen during 2x, except while the server was crashing. Maybe the lack of Burning Characters made people go back and burn a link mule on their old non-reboot server? And maybe they've quit.
We'll wait and see.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Invulgo - 2016-01-17
SaptaZapta Wrote:I don't know how much of the thread you've read, but some theories have been offered as to why a company might want its product to fail.
*Snip*
Most of the thread, not all of it.
Adding Meso Sacks to the Reboot world only proves that some of the higher ups are not in touch with the player base. If they were in touch with the player base they would know how much of a massive protests that would cause. Same goes for gifting inactive players Wolf Underling Familiars, it's just something that should not happen if you understand the players base. However they do listen to the feedback, for instance removing the Meso Sacks. There are many suggestions and threads about Reboot that can be taken into consideration in the future.
I'm not worried about Reboot becoming pay2win, people would just flat out quit if they made major (even minor) changes in that direction in Reboot. Lots of people inducing myself decided not to play Reboot when we heard about the Meso Sacks in Reboot, it just states how strongly people feel about Reboot not being a pay2win server. Maintaining the very essence of the concept is important.
Personally I stopped using the Reboot server fairly fast because of lag, disconnecting, getting constantly ksed by other players. It' wasn't really a conscious choice to quit or anything, it just sorta happened when i started to focus more on events on my main. I will give Reboot another try in the future.
Anyway I really don't believe they set Reboot up to fail intentionally. That way of thinking doesn't really make much sense to me at all really...
SaptaZapta Wrote:1. It's not "their product." Mama Korea forced it on them, and they're being passive-aggressive about it in an attempt to show Korea that "this concept can't work in GMS."
We'll wait and see.
We don't really know that, maybe GMS really wanted it? How would we know? *shrugs* Why wouldn't GMS want to show KMS how much of a success Reboot can be? Even if population seems to be lower during 2x now than the first weeks, Reboot still brought back tons of players. Reboot still has huge potential and a positive outcome the way I see it.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Grey - 2016-01-17
Invulgo Wrote:Anyway I really don't believe they set Reboot up to fail intentionally. That way of thinking doesn't really make much sense to me at all really...
Sacrifice makes sense, no? It's a viable strategy; all actions don't have to lead to positive results in order for you to have an overall positive gain. Having Reboot fail would be definitely bad for Reboot, but it's not an outcome that would necessarily be bad as a whole for Nexon. The faster Reboot fails, the faster Nexon can say that they tried and use it as evidence that it just isn't viable, and most importantly, they don't have to continue expending resources on the server.
But Reboot has a ton of players, including tons of returning players and players who would otherwise not play Maple because of its pay2win reputation, and if Reboot shuts down, they either move to the regular servers, which could be a gain, or they quit. But the thing here is, Nexon probably already expects that people who play on Reboot aren't the whales thet they can make most of their money on, so even if they quit, it's no big loss. It might even be a gain, most players have at least bought a pet already, so they've already made some money off those players, and if they don't intend on continuing to pay, it's better just to let them go instead of having them continue to use up resources.
It's not necessarily the best strategy, but this way, they can then easily move back into the monetization strategy that they've been comfortable with in the past few years, with, hopefully, some more users from Reboot.
Invulgo Wrote:We don't really know that, maybe GMS really wanted it? How would we know? *shrugs*
Of course we don't know, no one's saying that we do, it's speculation.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Grey - 2016-01-17
Oops, hit quote instead of edit.
Is NexonNA trying to kill Reboot World? - Invulgo - 2016-01-17
Grey Wrote:Sacrifice makes sense, no? It's a viable strategy; all actions don't have to lead to positive results in order for you to have an overall positive gain. Having Reboot fail would be definitely bad for Reboot, but it's not an outcome that would necessarily be bad as a whole for Nexon. The faster Reboot fails, the faster Nexon can say that they tried and use it as evidence that it just isn't viable, and most importantly, they don't have to continue expending resources on the server.
But Reboot has a ton of players, including tons of returning players and players who would otherwise not play Maple because of its pay2win reputation, and if Reboot shuts down, they either move to the regular servers, which could be a gain, or they quit. But the thing here is, Nexon probably already expects that people who play on Reboot aren't the whales thet they can make most of their money on, so even if they quit, it's no big loss. It might even be a gain, most players have at least bought a pet already, so they've already made some money off those players, and if they don't intend on continuing to pay, it's better just to let them go instead of having them continue to use up resources.
It's not necessarily the best strategy, but this way, they can then easily move back into the monetization strategy that they've been comfortable with in the past few years, with, hopefully, some turnover from Reboot.
Of course we don't know, no one's saying that we do, it's speculation.
Well I understand the thought process and the argument. I just keep imagining a meeting at the HQ and them discussing "how to kill Reboot and make as much money as we can while we doing it". It's literally insane as a business strategy, and I refuse to believe the company operates like that. It's interesting how one is even able to come up with a business strategy as insane as this one. It's so outrageous I can't follow it without laughing a little bit on the inside.
I am able to criticize Nexon, but this is just too much for me I guess.