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Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - MasPan - 2014-09-27
CakesXD Wrote:No... PM... last... night...
Razmos... voted... most... why... no... lynch...?
Because there was a tie, which means somebody may have a double vote power, or conversely somebody may have a fake vote.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Hypermug - 2014-09-27
Absolutely nothing happened to me last night. So for day 2 so far we have no deaths whatsoever and a smelly Shidoshi. Did anyone else get any PMs?
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Holypie - 2014-09-27
Nothing here, but I might have forgotten. I kind of have a bad feeling about Kyra though, but I can't really place it. I'll try and compile a case if I can, but it's just a feeling. Sorry for the vagueness, will update once I have a chance to reread and stuff.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Polantaris - 2014-09-27
Last night someone randomly barged into my room, blindfolded me, and put me in a straight jacket, then started screaming for no damn reason. The straight jacket would have been nice to help me sleep, but that bastard wouldn't shut the hell up and it kept me up. Can't a guy get some sleep in this hell hole?
CakesXD Wrote:No... PM... last... night...
Razmos... voted... most... why... no... lynch...?
Kyrastri Wrote:Razmos (3): Shidoshi, Maspan, LuvDWayULie
LuvDWayULie(1): Holypie
Holypie(1): Razmos
Hypermug(1): Verrkol
After that post by Kyra, Luv switched his vote to me. So two people voted for Razmos, and four people had one vote on them. That implies that either Luv, Holypie, Razmos, or VerrKol have a double vote that cancelled out the votes, as one of the rules state that if there is a tie no one gets lynched. It implies that, as Shidoshi said (kind of in the wrong thread imo), someone has a double vote, knew the lynch was going to kill a mafia member, and intentionally cancelled out the vote.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Niernen - 2014-09-27
Okay.... well then..... I guess we didn't actually screw up as much as I thought. Just a thought, but if we are all crazy, how could any of use be qualified to be a doctor? Besides, a doctor is the one that tossed us all here in the first place....
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Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Kyrastri - 2014-09-27
Holypie Wrote:Nothing here, but I might have forgotten. I kind of have a bad feeling about Kyra though, but I can't really place it. I'll try and compile a case if I can, but it's just a feeling. Sorry for the vagueness, will update once I have a chance to reread and stuff.
If you have any points I'll be happy to try and clarify/conversely make myself look worse to you :p
I admit I don't have much information to make theories off (no deaths kinds makes it hard to guess wtp the mafia is doing) so I'm bored and am pretty much pissing in the wind right now. I do have a few qualms that were pointed out in the last hour of the previous day so maybe I'll make something of that instead.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Holypie - 2014-09-27
Polantaris Wrote:Last night someone randomly barged into my room, blindfolded me, and put me in a straight jacket, then started screaming for no damn reason. The straight jacket would have been nice to help me sleep, but that bastard wouldn't shut the hell up and it kept me up. Can't a guy get some sleep in this hell hole?
After that post by Kyra, Luv switched his vote to me. So two people voted for Razmos, and four people had one vote on them. That implies that either Luv, Holypie, Razmos, or VerrKol have a double vote that cancelled out the votes, as one of the rules state that if there is a tie no one gets lynched. It implies that, as Shidoshi said (kind of in the wrong thread imo), someone has a double vote, knew the lynch was going to kill a mafia member, and intentionally cancelled out the vote.
Ah, mechanics, something I'm good at. If there is indeed a double voter (which is quite likely at this point), there's like a 90% that they're on the town's side. So we can rule out a malicious mafian attempt to turn the lynch off of a mafioso knowing that there's a double vote, because, well, they wouldn't know that there's a double vote. There's a chance that Luv is the double voter and he wanted to save Razmos, but this would mean that he knew about the rule (which I doubt because I'm not sure if many people caught that, but that's beside the point) and that he had a reason to save Razmos. I think the tie was a mistake, and not a malicious action, but it raises the question of why Luv would vote for you last minute when you had no chance of being lynched. The double voter isn't me by the way.
About the Kyrastri thing, I noticed that she didn't vote yesterday despite having ample time to, and even mentioning that it's in the town's best interest to lynch on the first day. It can't even be said that she didn't vote because there were no solid reasons, because she mentioned that there's not much reasoning in a day one lynch. Aside from that one post there wasn't much content posting from her, but to be fair there wasn't much from anyone else either, being day one and all..
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Hypermug - 2014-09-27
Polantaris Wrote:Last night someone randomly barged into my room, blindfolded me, and put me in a straight jacket, then started screaming for no damn reason. The straight jacket would have been nice to help me sleep, but that bastard wouldn't shut the hell up and it kept me up. Can't a guy get some sleep in this hell hole?
After that post by Kyra, Luv switched his vote to me. So two people voted for Razmos, and four people had one vote on them. That implies that either Luv, Holypie, Razmos, or VerrKol have a double vote that cancelled out the votes, as one of the rules state that if there is a tie no one gets lynched. It implies that, as Shidoshi said (kind of in the wrong thread imo), someone has a double vote, knew the lynch was going to kill a mafia member, and intentionally cancelled out the vote.
To be fair, that would imply that I could have a double vote as well, right? Since I voted for Verrkol near the end. Not that I do, but just saying (and I'm pretty tired, so sorry if I'm using poor logic). But out of the people you listed, as usual my suspicion falls on Luv. His behavior has been pretty poor if you add up everything he's said thus far.
edit: Nevermind, good point [MENTION=41]Holypie[/MENTION]
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Polantaris - 2014-09-27
Holypie Wrote:There's a chance that Luv is the double voter and he wanted to save Razmos, but this would mean that he knew about the rule (which I doubt because I'm not sure if many people caught that, but that's beside the point) and that he had a reason to save Razmos.
Why would he have voted for Razmos in the first place, though, then try to save him? That makes very little sense. If he had reason to save Razmos, he wouldn't have voted for him in the first place. I can see a cancellation vote being pro-town if he wasn't all over the place yesterday like that.
Hypermug Wrote:To be fair, that would imply that I could have a double vote as well, right? Since I voted for Verrkol near the end. Not that I do, but just saying (and I'm pretty tired, so sorry if I'm using poor logic).I missed your vote, to be completely honest. You would be included in the original premise for why the lynch was cancelled, yes.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Kyrastri - 2014-09-27
Polantaris Wrote:Last night someone randomly barged into my room, blindfolded me, and put me in a straight jacket, then started screaming for no damn reason. The straight jacket would have been nice to help me sleep, but that bastard wouldn't shut the hell up and it kept me up. Can't a guy get some sleep in this hell hole?Assuming the straightjacket bit means that you were blindfolded, do you know anything else about the screaming?
Polantaris Wrote:It implies that, as Shidoshi said (kind of in the wrong thread imo), someone has a double vote, knew the lynch was going to kill a mafia member, and intentionally cancelled out the vote.I think I'm inclined to agree with you on that- a lot of the new votes were towards the end of the day, but it could also be a town/neutral with an agenda to neutralise the vote.
Holypie Wrote:Ah, mechanics, something I'm good at. If there is indeed a double voter (which is quite likely at this point), there's like a 90% that they're on the town's side. So we can rule out a malicious mafian attempt to turn the lynch off of a mafioso knowing that there's a double vote, because, well, they wouldn't know that there's a double vote.Sorry, could you clarify the bolded part? I don't understand what you mean. Otherwise I agree with you- maybe not a mistake, but I'm inclined to believe that the double voter is either town or a neutral. I see it as this- unless the mafia is particularly small, they wouldn't need the extra vote.
Holypie Wrote:There's a chance that Luv is the double voter and he wanted to save Razmos, but this would mean that he knew about the rule (which I doubt because I'm not sure if many people caught that, but that's beside the point) and that he had a reason to save Razmos. I think the tie was a mistake, and not a malicious action, but it raises the question of why Luv would vote for you last minute when you had no chance of being lynched. The double voter isn't me by the way.I think you just answered your own question; he'd vote for Polantaris to null the vote. Polantaris would have been a good scapegoat for something like that on day 1; he had no votes at the time, didn't seem anti-town. If Luv is the doublevoter, he could have easily passed it off (note how he said that he voted for no real reason aside from a gut feeling) and let the vote slide by, if you will as nobody had any reason to bandwagon on that.
Holypie Wrote:About the Kyrastri thing, I noticed that she didn't vote yesterday despite having ample time to, and even mentioning that it's in the town's best interest to lynch on the first day. It can't even be said that she didn't vote because there were no solid reasons, because she mentioned that there's not much reasoning in a day one lynch. Aside from that one post there wasn't much content posting from her, but to be fair there wasn't much from anyone else either, being day one and all..Okay, you got me. I don't like voting on day 1 even though I say "it's for the best!" It makes sense to, but I get uncomfortable doing it.* I didn't like the bandwagon at the time due to how it got there, and none of the people being voted for seemed iffy to me.
If I had to have voted on day 1, if it gives you information into what I was thinking, I would have gone for either Cakes or Niernen because I honestly had no idea what the hell they were doing day 1. Even now, I don't understand what they're doing. I was going to lay it off until today to bring it up but if I had known that me voting could have actually netted us more information I would have voted to kill someone, so sorry about that :/
(as for the time bit, I was neglectful with the time and thought I would have had time to vote. Not that it would have made me look any better- late day voting is still pretty bad in itself.)
edit: * rewording because personality traits shouldn't be used as arguments, shock horror
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Niernen - 2014-09-27
I hadn't even considered a double vote and was really confused on why Meta was hinting that the votes were tied when it looked like Razmos would get lynched. I don't think there would have been much anyone could have done that late though, besides voting for Razmos to lynch him, or possibly voting for the same person as the double vote. Possible double voters are: Holypie, Razmos, Verrkol, Hypermug and LuvDWayULie (so basically everyone that voted day 1 except Maspan and Shidoshi). People have already pointed out that it is unlikely it was Luv, and it looks like hypermug is denying it is him, which leaves us with Razmos and Verrkol. That being said, it is highly unlikely that the mafia has a double vote, as that would give them tie breaking power and they could have easily killed someone yesterday (if they were paying attention or on).
Could whoever targeted polantaris have been a possible roleblocker? Not sure what other role would put someone in a straightjacket, although the screaming does not make sense (unless multiple people targeted him). [MENTION=6823]Polantaris[/MENTION]; You still in that straitjacket or did they remove it when the night was over?
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - VerrKol - 2014-09-27
I'll say that I do not have a double vote power. Believe it or not *shrug*
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - LuvDWayULie - 2014-09-27
All right, I guess it's very customary for me to do this in Day 2/3.
I'm the double voter, believe it or not. FINALLY A TOWNIE ONCE AGAIN OMG. I'm the most popular guy here (As said in the description), so I get two votes. I voted for Ramzos on Day 1 at first because his reason was really poor, but then later I found out that he was new, so I decided to not vote for him and change it to Polantaris instead. I really did not know that the rule about tied votes will be known. I voted for Polantaris because of entirely my gut feeling, and nothing more. I had really no candidates except him.
I'm most probably gonna die tonight, as I'm considered threatening to the mafia.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Razmos - 2014-09-27
Blehhh, whatever stuff I was soaked with last night absolutely stinks, even after a wash and a change of clothes.
I yelled a bunch of obscenities last night after the person who soaked me, perhaps those are what Polantaris heard? Though I wasn't screaming all night. Perhaps that was all in his head?
(i'm glad I survived past day one, day two seems a lot more fun so far)
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Polantaris - 2014-09-27
Kyrastri Wrote:Assuming the straightjacket bit means that you were blindfolded, do you know anything else about the screaming?Actually, the PM specifically states that I was blindfolded first, AND THEN straight-jacketed. I know absolutely nothing additional about the screaming except...
Razmos Wrote:Blehhh, whatever stuff I was soaked with last night absolutely stinks, even after a wash and a change of clothes.The PM states that someone did this to me and then I apparently had the feeling that he was standing at my door screaming all night long. I assumed it was the same person, but I suppose it's possible that it was not, considering I did not see them do this, only heard it.
I yelled a bunch of obscenities last night after the person who soaked me, perhaps those are what Polantaris heard? Though I wasn't screaming all night. Perhaps that was all in his head?
(i'm glad I survived past day one, day two seems a lot more fun so far)
Niernen Wrote:Could whoever targeted polantaris have been a possible roleblocker? Not sure what other role would put someone in a straightjacket, although the screaming does not make sense (unless multiple people targeted him). Polantaris; You still in that straitjacket or did they remove it when the night was over?
For sure a roleblocker. I don't see anyone being able to do something in a straight jacket while blindfolded. They released me and left by morning, so it's not an over time thing.
LuvDWayULie Wrote:I'm the double voter, believe it or not. FINALLY A TOWNIE ONCE AGAIN OMG. I'm the most popular guy here (As said in the description), so I get two votes. I voted for Ramzos on Day 1 at first because his reason was really poor, but then later I found out that he was new, so I decided to not vote for him and change it to Polantaris instead. I really did not know that the rule about tied votes will be known. I voted for Polantaris because of entirely my gut feeling, and nothing more. I had really no candidates except him.It seems awfully suspicious to me that you switched to me at the last 90 minutes when you're the double voter. I have this strange feeling that you forgot that Shidoshi voted for Razmos and you wanted to snap lynch me, which is pretty damn scummy if true, especially when you say it was "[your] gut feeling".
I'm most probably gonna die tonight, as I'm considered threatening to the mafia.
Not necessarily saying that you're mafia (which is why I haven't voted for you), but it just looks sketchy as hell to me.
Speaking of Shidoshi; I want to point out the fact that their vote on Razmos, while it did save me inadvertantly, was pretty random and I'm not really sure what that was about at all, especially since they never revoked it and basically said nothing of worth for the rest of the day yesterday.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Razmos - 2014-09-27
So.. has anybody entertained the thought of somebody having a split personality and being both Town and Mafia?
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - VerrKol - 2014-09-27
Razmos Wrote:So.. has anybody entertained the thought of somebody having a split personality and being both Town and Mafia?
If you thought, I have since you're really just another part of me. If I really am crazy enough to hallucinate all of this I'm definitely crazy enough to have several minds trying to kill the others.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Razmos - 2014-09-27
VerrKol Wrote:If you thought, I have since you're really just another part of me. If I really am crazy enough to hallucinate all of this I'm definitely crazy enough to have several minds trying to kill the others.Spoiler Alert: We are all figments of VerrKol's imagination.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Kyrastri - 2014-09-27
LuvDWayULie Wrote:All right, I guess it's very customary for me to do this in Day 2/3.
I'm the double voter, believe it or not. FINALLY A TOWNIE ONCE AGAIN OMG. I'm the most popular guy here (As said in the description), so I get two votes. I voted for Ramzos on Day 1 at first because his reason was really poor, but then later I found out that he was new, so I decided to not vote for him and change it to Polantaris instead. I really did not know that the rule about tied votes will be known. I voted for Polantaris because of entirely my gut feeling, and nothing more. I had really no candidates except him.
I'm most probably gonna die tonight, as I'm considered threatening to the mafia.
Um, you voted for Razmos because he had no reason, not because his reason was poor.
LuvDWayULie Wrote:[Vote] Razmos
His vote for Holypie without a reason seems scummy, like what Mas said.
I don't really like how your story is flip flopping all over the place right now.
Razmos Wrote:Blehhh, whatever stuff I was soaked with last night absolutely stinks, even after a wash and a change of clothes.
I yelled a bunch of obscenities last night after the person who soaked me, perhaps those are what Polantaris heard? Though I wasn't screaming all night. Perhaps that was all in his head?
(i'm glad I survived past day one, day two seems a lot more fun so far)
I initially thought that it was human bowel movements (aren't I a bloody genius) but thinking like a normal person, I've come to a different conclusion. Could we have an arsonist on our hands?
Douse Theory
Polantaris Wrote:Actually, the PM specifically states that I was blindfolded first, AND THEN straight-jacketed. I know absolutely nothing additional about the screaming except...Sorry, I didn't realise that I didn't type what I meant. I meant assuming being straitjacketed is a roleblock*, but it's been suggested by Niernen anyway.
Polantaris Wrote:The PM states that someone did this to me and then I apparently had the feeling that he was standing at my door screaming all night long. I assumed it was the same person, but I suppose it's possible that it was not, considering I did not see them do this, only heard it.
edit: missed most of the paragraph ._.
I don't get how you'd have a "feeling" that they were screaming their head off. You'd imagine that you would just hear it. Bit of a nuance though. It makes sense to be the same person, but I don't know anything about randomly screaming. Though considering it is an insane asylum...
It just sounds pretty significant in general, but it could very well be just flavour that should have been dismissed immediately.
Razmos Wrote:Spoiler Alert: We are all figments of VerrKol's imagination.
Game over everyone, we figured it out. Obviously this is why nobody was killed, because VerrKol can try to kill himself mentally but he won't let himself doing it.
Insane Asylum Mafia END MAFIA WINS. - Razmos - 2014-09-27
Kyrastri Wrote:Game over everyone, we figured it out. Obviously this is why nobody was killed, because VerrKol can try to kill himself mentally but he won't let himself doing it.Ooooh it's not over yet. We've still got to fight for who will be the dominant personality!