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Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - MasPan - 2014-07-10
LuvDWayULie Wrote:And it's annoying to the core. At least rhymes are easier to see.
We'll take our time, since it's Day 1 after all. Flavor posts please?
Oh yes, your names if you don't mind sharing. I'm Richard
[COLOR="#cc8899"]If I were a man, then I'd be Steve,
And with Adam my namesake conceived,
The first children, it's said,
With just leaves for a bed.
Nice to meet you - my friends call me Eve.[/COLOR]
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - LuvDWayULie - 2014-07-10
MasPan Wrote:If I were a man, then I'd be Steve,
And with Adam my namesake conceived,
The first children, it's said,
With just leaves for a bed.
Nice to meet you - my friends call me Eve.
So Eve? Steve? Adam? Omg, MasPan, STOP BEING SO VAGUE
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - meowmixx - 2014-07-10
My name is Minerva Owens. Pleased to meet you
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Kyrastri - 2014-07-10
LuvDWayULie Wrote:And it's annoying to the core. At least rhymes are easier to see.
We'll take our time, since it's Day 1 after all. Flavor posts please?
Oh yes, your names if you don't mind sharing. I'm Richard
The name's Philibert Jenkins, son. (And I've been spreading flavour crumbs like crazy. It's hard to post completely in character, so maybe I'll make a bigger effort.)
But if you care to know, I live life on the wild side. I apparently read in an American accent (because I have actually no idea what the stereotype is).
LuvDWayULie Wrote:So Eve? Steve? Adam? Omg, MasPan, STOP BEING SO VAGUE
Biblical references, I'd assume. I'm not too good with stuff like that, so someone else will have to provide a theory.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - LuvDWayULie - 2014-07-10
Kyrastri Wrote:The name's Philibert Jenkins, son. (And I've been spreading flavour crumbs like crazy. It's hard to post completely in character, so maybe I'll make a bigger effort.)I know, Adam and Eve. But still, it's so confusing to me.
But if you care to know, I live life on the wild side. I apparently read in an American accent (because I have actually no idea what the stereotype is).
Biblical references, I'd assume. I'm not too good with stuff like that, so someone else will have to provide a theory.
Richard Larmont is my full name
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Polantaris - 2014-07-10
[MENTION=8192]LuvDWayULie[/MENTION]; You're all over MasPan for changing votes from Meta to CJ quickly...but you realize that Shidoshi basically said flat out that 1 vote doesn't mean jack for getting people to talk, right? That was the reason he changed his vote, at least from what I can tell. His point was that if one vote wouldn't get someone to talk, then maybe two would.
Kyrastri Wrote:That said, your reason wouldn't really work; MasPan voted for MetaSeraphim before changing his vote. If he agreed with Polantaris, he would have voted for Chaotic off the bat, not waffle around with a vote before the change.
Except that he did vote for someone using the same overall theory as me: To get people to talk. Meta hadn't talked at that point, but then when Shidoshi said that one vote doesn't matter, he decided to agree with that theory and increase the heat, so to speak, on CJ, to get them to speak.
Secondly, the Invisible thing doesn't mean a thing. I've always used Invisible, since I signed up for these forums. I just like it that way. I've had it that way for every mafia game I've ever played in, and I've only been mafia in one game over a year ago. Invisible Mode means absolutely nothing. Yes, even in the last game we were in I had it on. No one noticed. And I wasn't mafia. It means nothing. You're welcome to think that it does, but you're wasting your time and energy to do so.
I point these things out because I don't want to see people getting lynched over a forum feature that many people, like myself, have always had active. Or worse, someone gets lynched because they weren't seen reading the thread. It's a pretty stupid thing to use as evidence to accuse over. Unless we're going to make it a rule of the game to turn it off, it's a waste of energy, and above that it doesn't really show or prove anything at all.
You wouldn't even notice every single person reading the thread anyway unless you reloaded the page every 15 seconds, and I'm pretty sure all of us have better things to do.
Kyra + Luv: Voting != Condemning. It simply gets their attention. Simply going, "Please answer me!" doesn't do anything. They're under no obligation to humor you and they can make up excuses/change the subject/employ a number of tactics to get around you. Voting is literally the only thing you can do to get people to talk. You should build a case early, something I essentially got chewed out for not doing last game. Start building it now, and refer to it when you need to make a case to everyone else. Saying, "I have someone in mind but I want to wait," does nothing.
[MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION]; Unless your role is, "Can only quote other people in your posts," I have no idea what your point was.
As for suspicions...I unfortunately don't really have many yet.
ChaoticCJ: Finally responds to our requests and does nothing. Odd, but nothing to really kill over.
Chaz: Points out things he normally does (like sticking to one person on Day 1 to focus attention on), but then says he won't do it. Also says that finger pointing is fine after Day 1...but wouldn't that be when you would finger point? At least after Day 1 we have actions to go off of.
MetaSeraphim: I don't need to explain this one.
Sega: El Zilcho from them.
This post was far larger than I had intended. But I'll end with my name. I'm not so sure it was really that good of an idea to reveal names so early...I always feel like there's something in them that can be deduced. Regardless, since people have done it, to not do it makes you look bad. As such, I am Zee Powers.
Quick Edit:
I have one more suspicion, and I'll let the quote plus one additional word point it out for me:
Holypie Wrote:Yeah Mas' rhymes are pretty amazing. Also can we [vote] Vlad he seems sketchy.Who?!
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - LuvDWayULie - 2014-07-10
Polantaris Wrote:[Vote] Sega; What's going on? You're the last one who needs to say something at all...although I'm not sure I'd consider Meta's post saying something...but at least they posted?Too long, but I did read.
LuvDWayULie; You're all over MasPan for changing votes from Meta to CJ quickly...but you realize that Shidoshi basically said flat out that 1 vote doesn't mean jack for getting people to talk, right? That was the reason he changed his vote, at least from what I can tell. His point was that if one vote wouldn't get someone to talk, then maybe two would.
Except that he did vote for someone using the same overall theory as me: To get people to talk. Meta hadn't talked at that point, but then when Shidoshi said that one vote doesn't matter, he decided to agree with that theory and increase the heat, so to speak, on CJ, to get them to speak.
Secondly, the Invisible thing doesn't mean a thing. I've always used Invisible, since I signed up for these forums. I just like it that way. I've had it that way for every mafia game I've ever played in, and I've only been mafia in one game over a year ago. Invisible Mode means absolutely nothing. Yes, even in the last game we were in I had it on. No one noticed. And I wasn't mafia. It means nothing. You're welcome to think that it does, but you're wasting your time and energy to do so.
I point these things out because I don't want to see people getting lynched over a forum feature that many people, like myself, have always had active. Or worse, someone gets lynched because they weren't seen reading the thread. It's a pretty stupid thing to use as evidence to accuse over. Unless we're going to make it a rule of the game to turn it off, it's a waste of energy, and above that it doesn't really show or prove anything at all.
You wouldn't even notice every single person reading the thread anyway unless you reloaded the page every 15 seconds, and I'm pretty sure all of us have better things to do.
Kyra + Luv: Voting != Condemning. It simply gets their attention. Simply going, "Please answer me!" doesn't do anything. They're under no obligation to humor you and they can make up excuses/change the subject/employ a number of tactics to get around you. Voting is literally the only thing you can do to get people to talk. You should build a case early, something I essentially got chewed out for not doing last game. Start building it now, and refer to it when you need to make a case to everyone else. Saying, "I have someone in mind but I want to wait," does nothing.
MetaSeraphim; Unless your role is, "Can only quote other people in your posts," I have no idea what your point was.
As for suspicions...I unfortunately don't really have many yet.
ChaoticCJ: Finally responds to our requests and does nothing. Odd, but nothing to really kill over.
Chaz: Points out things he normally does (like sticking to one person on Day 1 to focus attention on), but then says he won't do it. Also says that finger pointing is fine after Day 1...but wouldn't that be when you would finger point? At least after Day 1 we have actions to go off of.
MetaSeraphim: I don't need to explain this one.
Sega: El Zilcho from them.
This post was far larger than I had intended. But I'll end with my name. I'm not so sure it was really that good of an idea to reveal names so early...I always feel like there's something in them that can be deduced. Regardless, since people have done it, to not do it makes you look bad. As such, I am Zee Powers.
Quick Edit:
I have one more suspicion, and I'll let the quote plus one additional word point it out for me:
Who?!
Vlad is the name of our host (other than xBTAx).
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Polantaris - 2014-07-10
LuvDWayULie Wrote:Vlad is the name of our host (other than xBTAx).
Ah, makes sense then.
Just re-read the flavor...not sure how I missed that the first time.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - LuvDWayULie - 2014-07-10
Polantaris Wrote:Ah, makes sense then.
Just re-read the flavor...not sure how I missed that the first time.
haha, I don't blame you. I miss things all the time.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Kyrastri - 2014-07-10
Polantaris Wrote:Except that he did vote for someone using the same overall theory as me: To get people to talk. Meta hadn't talked at that point, but then when Shidoshi said that one vote doesn't matter, he decided to agree with that theory and increase the heat, so to speak, on CJ, to get them to speak.
If he wanted to get people to talk, he would have kept his vote on Meta, because Meta had yet to talk (and saying that they're handicapped is interesting but doesn't add much.) He even outright stated that Meta had been shifty from her past games; coupled with the fact that Meta wasn't talking this early this game either would have been quite a solid reason to keep his vote on her. Chaotic, on the other hand, merely hasn't spoken. He was an active participant last round. I'm more curious as to why MasPan valued getting Chaotic to talk rather than convince everyone else that Meta was the way to go. That said, the votes have been retracted, so it doesn't matter as much.
That's suffice to say that I have yet to understand the value of the 'raise the stakes' theory this early in the day. People could very well be sleeping, or busy and otherwise unable to respond. If they're seen posting elsewhere on the forum, that might be a indicator that they're deliberately keeping quiet but it's as pedantic as hunting who is viewing the thread and who is viewing in invisible mode (didn't actually know you could do that but okay, TIL); we shouldn't feel obligated to police the rest of the forum for this game.
Polantaris Wrote:Unless we're going to make it a rule of the game to turn it off, it's a waste of energy, and above that it doesn't really show or prove anything at all.(I reckon there should be a rule for this, but it's pretty pedantic.)
Polantaris Wrote:Kyra + Luv: Voting != Condemning. It simply gets their attention. Simply going, "Please answer me!" doesn't do anything. They're under no obligation to humor you and they can make up excuses/change the subject/employ a number of tactics to get around you. Voting is literally the only thing you can do to get people to talk. You should build a case early, something I essentially got chewed out for not doing last game. Start building it now, and refer to it when you need to make a case to everyone else. Saying, "I have someone in mind but I want to wait," does nothing.
Thanks for the advice. It sounds pretty cruel but killing people (and cheating) is pretty cruel too.
Since apparently giving people the benefit of the doubt can no longer be trusted to work,
Please explain why raising the stakes this early is a good thing. The only excuse I can think of is that votes towards the end of the day should be the final straw and whoever you vote for is the person you want lynched, but that's still very late in the day. Days are 48 hours; even giving the 'last portion of the day' 12 hours still makes this tactic much too early to employ.
Polantaris Wrote:This post was far larger than I had intended. But I'll end with my name. I'm not so sure it was really that good of an idea to reveal names so early...I always feel like there's something in them that can be deduced. Regardless, since people have done it, to not do it makes you look bad. As such, I am Zee Powers.I thought a lot of the people who were making games were opposed to putting information in names? Or maybe xBTAx wasn't part of that mob.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - LuvDWayULie - 2014-07-10
I, on the other hand, do not want to vote for now. I know this will cast doubts but I really don't think that it's a good idea to vote that early.
Edit:
Rereading Polantaris' post: Polantaris, I did not say Invinsible people are mafia, I was just merely thinking who are those people. They might not even be players in the game.
Well, I still believe the day is too early for voting.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Polantaris - 2014-07-10
Kyrastri Wrote:If he wanted to get people to talk, he would have kept his vote on Meta, because Meta had yet to talk (and saying that they're handicapped is interesting but doesn't add much.) He even outright stated that Meta had been shifty from her past games; coupled with the fact that Meta wasn't talking this early this game either would have been quite a solid reason to keep his vote on her. Chaotic, on the other hand, merely hasn't spoken. He was an active participant last round. I'm more curious as to why MasPan valued getting Chaotic to talk rather than convince everyone else that Meta was the way to go. That said, the votes have been retracted, so it doesn't matter as much.
That's suffice to say that I have yet to understand the value of the 'raise the stakes' theory this early in the day. People could very well be sleeping, or busy and otherwise unable to respond. If they're seen posting elsewhere on the forum, that might be a indicator that they're deliberately keeping quiet but it's as pedantic as hunting who is viewing the thread and who is viewing in invisible mode (didn't actually know you could do that but okay, TIL); we shouldn't feel obligated to police the rest of the forum for this game.
The point was that Shidoshi basically said, "Only one vote won't ever get someone to talk because it doesn't mean anything." He still went after Meta after CJ had spoken. At no point did he say he was no longer going to vote for Meta. I call up this post where he renewed his vote for Meta after CJ had spoken. That's not to say he's not mafia, but he did nothing suspicious in my opinion.
Kyrastri Wrote:(I reckon there should be a rule for this, but it's pretty pedantic.)If we create a rule for that, we care far too much about the meta-game instead of the game. Like how we're jumping on people for how they acted last game, which in reality has no relevance on this game even if they have a tendency to do something. For example, last game I brought up Corn simply because he was acting how he normally does and the game prior to that, he was scum. That had no relevance on the next game and in the end I was wasting my time because of it. We need to pay attention to how people act (or don't act) in relevance to this game, not some forum option or last game, or even 20 games ago.
Kyrastri Wrote:Thanks for the advice. It sounds pretty cruel but killing people (and cheating) is pretty cruel too.I'm not really sure why you thought I said you're not allowed to give people benefit of the doubt. It's just really weird when you go, "I think this person is scummy...but I'm not going to actually do anything about it until they've had time to prepare their defense." You should vote for people. You should keep anyone you think is suspicious on their toes, because you never know who is mafia and who is not. Just because you voted for Shidoshi doesn't mean you're certain they're mafia.
Since apparently giving people the benefit of the doubt can no longer be trusted to work, [Vote] Shidoshi;
Kyrastri Wrote:Please explain why raising the stakes this early is a good thing. The only excuse I can think of is that votes towards the end of the day should be the final straw and whoever you vote for is the person you want lynched, but that's still very late in the day. Days are 48 hours; even giving the 'last portion of the day' 12 hours still makes this tactic much too early to employ.If you call someone out but don't vote for them, then they ignore you, chances are everyone will forget you ever cared about them. The topics change quickly, and the only thing that matters is a vote. You're not really raising the stakes. If you called for a lynch of that person, then yeah you'd be raising the stakes...but a single vote for them doesn't raise the stakes, unless you accompany it with a, "This person is scum, we need to lynch them."
Kyrastri Wrote:I thought a lot of the people who were making games were opposed to putting information in names? Or maybe xBTAx wasn't part of that mob.I believe Shidoshi said that they wouldn't make the names into a clear definition of mafia vs town. In that particular situation, my belief was First Name and Last Names sharing the same starting letter might guarantee town, and they dismissed that. That doesn't dismiss the possibility of the name itself implying what their power does.
If there's literally no purpose in the name, then why does anyone care about them?
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Niernen - 2014-07-10
Sorry guys, my internet was down yesterday, catching up now on everything I missed.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Niernen - 2014-07-10
Shidoshi Wrote:Not that his lying was ever a sign he was mafia. "Lynch All Liars" isn't really foolproof.
Simply giving one vote on AFKers isn't really enough stimulus to get them talking, if there's no intention to go through with that vote.
[Vote] Niernen
In all past games you've dwelled in posting things about flavor while avoiding touching on who's suspect. You were innocent on both times, but I'd like you to present more effort on this game. Without it we have no read of you and that's dangerous in case you are mafia and hurtful to your own faction if you are town.
Just wanted to reply to this before I finished reading all the posts I missed. I usually only post flavor the first day because its fun and there is no one to be suspicious of in the first couple of posts. Sure, someone could make a mistake and somehow reveal they are mafia, but it is unlikely. We don't have really anything to go off of and people usually just use there votes to get inactives to talk or lynch off the most inactive. As we have seen, that rarely works. It would be pretty dumb of a mafia to go inactive the first day as we usually vote some one inactive off anyways, and besides getting them to speak up, it doesn't really help. I still have to finish reading, so I may have missed a hint or something someone dropped, but at this point no one really stands out to me.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - LuvDWayULie - 2014-07-10
Niernen Wrote:Just wanted to reply to this before I finished reading all the posts I missed. I usually only post flavor the first day because its fun and there is no one to be suspicious of in the first couple of posts. Sure, someone could make a mistake and somehow reveal they are mafia, but it is unlikely. We don't have really anything to go off of and people usually just use there votes to get inactives to talk or lynch off the most inactive. As we have seen, that rarely works. It would be pretty dumb of a mafia to go inactive the first day as we usually vote some one inactive off anyways, and besides getting them to speak up, it doesn't really help. I still have to finish reading, so I may have missed a hint or something someone dropped, but at this point no one really stands out to me.
And you double posted
I do agree that flavours are allowed to be used in the first day, especially around this time
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Niernen - 2014-07-10
LuvDWayULie Wrote:And you double posted
I do agree that flavours are allowed to be used in the first day, especially around this time
Sorry about the double, was quoting Shidoshi and forgot to edit the first post...
Also, the name thing seems to be about trust. Are you willing to give out your name and let others see who you are? or do you want to keep it a secret for some reason? I'm Lisa Heart.
[MENTION=5147]Sega[/MENTION]; You may want to speak up, or its possible you would get lynched off first day again, which seems like a waste. No point in playing if you say nothing and die.
[MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION]; Being only able to quote to speak seems like an odd restriction, if no one says anything you want you can't quote anything (unless you quote word by word or something). I don't think that would really be a role restriction,
(just started reading BTOOOM! yesterday and some of the trust problems they mentioned reminded me of this game).
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - MetaSeraphim - 2014-07-10
Polantaris Wrote:MetaSeraphim; Unless your role is, "Can only quote other people in your posts," I have no idea what your point was.
MasPan Wrote:You have edited one of my lines,
MasPan Wrote:Can't
VerrKol Wrote:add
ChaoticCJ Wrote:nothin
MasPan Wrote:Your handicap seems not genuine.
TheBirds Wrote:thats not nice
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Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Niernen - 2014-07-10
It almost looks like you are talking to yourself Meta.
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Kyrastri - 2014-07-10
Polantaris Wrote:The point was that Shidoshi basically said, "Only one vote won't ever get someone to talk because it doesn't mean anything." He still went after Meta after CJ had spoken. At no point did he say he was no longer going to vote for Meta. I call up this post where he renewed his vote for Meta after CJ had spoken. That's not to say he's not mafia, but he did nothing suspicious in my opinion.
It makes sense that he would go back to Meta after Chaotic spoke, so thanks for clearing that up. I was questioning why he'd value Chaotic talking over Meta, but he can explain that himself. That was the suspicious thing to me, but it could very well have been a coincidence.
Polantaris Wrote:I'm not really sure why you thought I said you're not allowed to give people benefit of the doubt. It's just really weird when you go, "I think this person is scummy...but I'm not going to actually do anything about it until they've had time to prepare their defense." You should vote for people. You should keep anyone you think is suspicious on their toes, because you never know who is mafia and who is not. Just because you voted for Shidoshi doesn't mean you're certain they're mafia.
Oh, don't mistake me, I wasn't aiming that comment at you. It was more of an observation, and a natural one at that. I don't mean anything against anyone who harboured this change. It makes sense, otherwise I would have opposed it.
Is it weird to let people defend themselves, though? I have no reason to believe they are scum until they give me one. I am allowed to be suspicious of what seems scummy, and scummy doesn't always equate to mafia. It could be unintentional behaviour that comes off as scummy to me, since it didn't seem off to you, for example.
That makes sense (and applies for your next paragraph, I don't want to waste space saying "yes I agree"); I wasn't aware the vote had that much implication aside from lynching. Thanks
And no, I wasn't implying that I know Shidoshi was mafia from voting for him.Polantaris Wrote:I believe Shidoshi said that they wouldn't make the names into a clear definition of mafia vs town. In that particular situation, my belief was First Name and Last Names sharing the same starting letter might guarantee town, and they dismissed that. That doesn't dismiss the possibility of the name itself implying what their power does.
If there's literally no purpose in the name, then why does anyone care about them?
I originally thought they were for flavour purposes only. Why would people give backstory to a mafia game if not to make it interesting?
Digital Mafia - TOWN WINS - Shidoshi - 2014-07-10
[MENTION=10411]Kyrastri[/MENTION]; "raising the stakes" on someone early makes a lot more sense than doing so later in the Day, that way there's more time for discussion and for votes to be changed if we feel later that there's another person more suspicious. Holding off your vote until the last hours of the Day is scummier than voting earlier, since you hide your intentions of who you'd lynch.
You've been calling a lot of attention on to yourself with how much you've posted. I don't take anything from your association with LuvD since he seems to freely associate with whoever is awake when he's posting, but your accusations of me being associated with MasPan are just as weak. You are not really looking too good to me.
[Vote] Kyrastri
[MENTION=10201]Niernen[/MENTION]; though people still insist on saying there's nothing to be suspicious about on Day 1, I'd say we already have enough here to start pointing fingers.
[MENTION=2462]MetaSeraphim[/MENTION]; might just be faking again, since he seems to like so much to act out roles. I'd be interested to know if, acting or not, they are able to vote. Rhymes, quotes, walls or short lines they are all just talk, intentions are what matters.