Hanabira.Kage Wrote:

Considering that the stats are the same as the Liberated Kaiserium's, I'm willing to bet that it's going to be really difficult to get.

DavyJonesx Wrote:Wow even eunwol got a lil buff ._.

Hanabira.Kage Wrote:

Considering that the stats are the same as the Liberated Kaiserium's, I'm willing to bet that it's going to be really difficult to get.

Gymleaders Wrote:Which scares me, because people in KMS are really powerful due to MEEs/Flames/etc, while they intentionally didn't give other versions these... So whether or not we'll be in any realistic realm of beating this PQ, who knows..

Ivangold Wrote:Not really :f6:, with this RED uptate, i got a lot stronger with the shop that it have, also these SW give me money or at least the weapons are nice for a lot of peoples.
If we get the flames, the fully uptate in bosses with %pdr working like KMS, drop rate and the itens that come with highter status need come tho, we just got extra life(but some nerf in CZK, CPB) in the bosses hp, and the occult cubes that can't even be dropped like before .(i think they could just buff the summoners life like the empress one, they have good life, not like zk/CZK ones or HT/CHT or PB/CPB that are killed super fast .

Gymleaders Wrote:Not everyone got stronger with the RED update. And revamps aren't going to make people as powerful as people in KMS are. We're not even close to their power of equips. Very few people in GMS can cap compared to KMS. SW does give money, but it's not like that money is coming from nowhere. Additionally, we had KMS-level bosses until RED patch... And not even all were changed, only a few high-end bosses. And sorry it's hard for me to understand everything else you said. x.x

Thorr Wrote:He's saying that we don't have Additional options, which changes the way things got deployed in GMS, specifically the boss changes. If we were to suddenly get AO, we'd have to get the rest of the boss/loot changes that we didn't previously get. KMS gear is different than ours simply because of AO.

Gymleaders Wrote:Niernen; as far as I know, transposing it to sweetwater would make it weaker, because you only get the bonus stats to SW, not the base. So it'd just get the 9 m.att, not the 509. As far as enhancements go, I don't know how much they'd gain per enhance.

I think the single slot is so it can be potentialed... It's already good at 500 m.att to be honest. But if it can be hammered, that's an extra 27 attack you can get on it before enhancements, so with enhancing it'll probably be able to get 600+ m.att which is insane. (this is just considering hammers are able to be used on it, and it can be enhanced)

Niernen Wrote:I am aware that transposing only carries over upgrades, not the base. The questions was more i guess like is it worth it to trasnpose tyrants; I know you would get a lot of extra matt from eeing a 500+ weapon, I was wondering if anyone knew how much and if you would get more matt than regularly scrolling and eeing a weapon. I would assume you wouldn't since you only get 1 slot, but i'm not sure how much matt you could get from eeing a 500+ weapon.

Niernen Wrote:I am aware that transposing only carries over upgrades, not the base. The questions was more i guess like is it worth it to trasnpose tyrants; I know you would get a lot of extra matt from eeing a 500+ weapon, I was wondering if anyone knew how much and if you would get more matt than regularly scrolling and eeing a weapon. I would assume you wouldn't since you only get 1 slot, but i'm not sure how much matt you could get from eeing a 500+ weapon.

Grey Wrote:Depending on what kind of scrolls you use:

Scroll	Scrolled	5 stars	10 stars	12 stars
+5	+15	+71	+133	+159
+8	+24	+81	+144	+171
+9	+27	+84	+147	+174
+10	+30	+88	+152	+180

Compare to Empress:

Scroll	Scrolled	5 stars	10 stars	12 stars
+5	+50	+75	+102	+114
+8	+80	+108	+138	+152
+9	+90	+120	+152	+166
+10	+100	+130	+163	+177

And Fafnir:

Scroll	Scrolled	5 stars	10 stars	12 stars
+5	+50	+80	+112	+126
+8	+80	+112	+147	+163
+9	+90	+124	+160	+176
+10	+100	+135	+173	+189

If I did my math right, anyway.

The values in each cell (except for the ones in the first column) are the magic attack that would be transposed to a Sweetwater.

Gymleaders Wrote:So it'd be better, but only barely, unless +10 scrolls, in which case Fafnir is better...

So overall it'd just be better on its own unless you'd want the set effects?

GreenPepper Wrote:Wut

Niernen Wrote:I am aware that transposing only carries over upgrades, not the base. The questions was more i guess like is it worth it to trasnpose tyrants; I know you would get a lot of extra matt from eeing a 500+ weapon, I was wondering if anyone knew how much and if you would get more matt than regularly scrolling and eeing a weapon. I would assume you wouldn't since you only get 1 slot, but i'm not sure how much matt you could get from eeing a 500+ weapon.

lulzace Wrote:Dunno how to do the chart thing but assuming the 1+ every 50 att thing holds and you give it that one slot w/ a +9(or +10 since that was the highest of any scroll)
300 nets +7, 350 +8. 400 should be +9, 450 +10 , and 500 +11. So if that trend holds
0: 509/510
1: 520/521
2: 531/532
3: 542/543
4: 553/554
5: 565/566
6: 577/578
7: 589/590
8: 601/602
9: 614/615
10: 627/628
11: 640/641
12: 653/654
13: 667/668
14: 681/682
15: 695/696

Idk how MEEs work so it could go somewhere in the 1000's in kms for all I know. And it wouldn't be worth transposing to a sweet b/c even with the + almost 200 it still dwarfs the SW in comparison.

And do we have any confirmation about no pot? It has a slot, unlike the Kaiserium, and can be enhanced for that reason so I cant help but wonder. Would suck if they were like the virtue shades.