Luxeraph Wrote:Huh?
Joe is using U. Inferno for mobs 2 to 6 if I'm not wrong and just changes it for WP on the other table, just look at it:
U. Inferno.
Weapon Speed: Fast (4)

Defense:	0%	10%	25%	40%	70%
2 Target:	3629%/s	3398%/s	3053%/s	2708%/s	2017%/s
3 Target:	5285%/s	4951%/s	4451%/s	3951%/s	2951%/s
4 Target:	6942%/s	6505%/s	5850%/s	5195%/s	3885%/s
5 Target:	8469%/s	7930%/s	7119%/s	6310%/s	4690%/s
6 Target:	9996%/s	9354%/s	8389%/s	7425%/s	5496%/s

Wind Pierce.
Weapon Speed: Fast (4)

Defense:	0%	10%	25%	40%	70%
2 Target:	2685%/s	2504%/s	2230%/s	1957%/s	1410%/s
3 Target:	3921%/s	3655%/s	3257%/s	2859%/s	2065%/s
4 Target:	5155%/s	4807%/s	4284%/s	3763%/s	2719%/s
5 Target:	6261%/s	5830%/s	5184%/s	4537%/s	3244%/s
6 Target:	7368%/s	6853%/s	6082%/s	5311%/s	3769%/s

LiquidSwing Wrote:One thing I will suggest, try rating each classes survivability and damage using a rating system that acts like tiers. Like using stars to rate how good they are at doing something, 5/5 stars being highest tier of DPS, 3/5 being mid, 1/5 being lowest, etc.

I mention that because seeing "excellent damage" or something doesn't tell me much. They might put out "excellent damage" in someone's opinion, but a class might get absolutely demolished by a mercedes or something.

ZeroGravity Wrote:Yeah i'd love to do something like this or maybe extend it even more by doing something like:
Mobility: (insert stars here)
1 VS 1 DPS: (insert stars here)
Mob DPS: (insert stars here)
And maybe two more. something like that would be great. So you can skip through most stuff quickly if you look for a good mobility class.
Or a good 1 vs 1 damage dealer. Can a few others discuss about this and seeing if I should add 5 different traits like the 3 I mentioned already, and
add at least two more so i'll have 5 traits for every class.

• Survivability
  
• Mobility
  
• 1v1
  
• Mobbing
  
• Funding effectiveness(?) ->Classes that benefit more from higher attack on weapons or funds in general
  

Jerry-Boyle Wrote:So 5 traits to rate for each class?

I'll try narrowing them down.

• Survivability
  
• Mobility
  
• 1v1
  
• Mobbing
  
• Funding effectiveness(?) ->Classes that benefit more from higher attack on weapons or funds in general
  

-> Survivability would be high HP, high defenses, skill able to regenerate HP, barriers, iFrames, resurrection skills(?): this is basically support buffs as well then?

-> Mobility for transportation with mounts, actual speed and jump stats, skills affecting these, movement skills, gliding(?) This could fit into Survivability for evasion of attacks.

-> 1v1 and mobbing are separate for obvious reasons.

-> Funding effectiveness could be hard or easy to fund, how much classes benefit from funding, prices of the gear (LUK is most expensive, whereas INT is least. Possible to fluctuate greatly given the revamps).

Are these fine to everybody else? Anything I missed?

LiquidSwing Wrote:That looks fine to me, I suggest you change "1v1" to "bossing" so as not to confuse some people.

Moonlapse Wrote:I remember hearing somewhere that buccs were mid to low tier on DPS. When I last looked at JoeTang's post-justice charts I remember being not that impressed.

Arrg Wrote:I'm starting to think he's wrong, because I absolutely destroy. Especially in Aswan, where they're boss mobs (I think), they have high defense (guard crush gives me a huge advantage), they're always in groups of 8-10, and it only takes 3 DS casts to charge energy.
So in high-def high-mobcount situations, we are probably #1 honestly. In terms of bossing I think we're just a few from the top from what I've seen.

Takebacker Wrote:>English speaking KMS players are funded

Locked Wrote:You have no say in the matter because you don't know Steve nor his funding. Truth is, he's more funded than a large majority of the English speakers in here because he has seniority. Compare Steve's funding to a different Korean buccaneer and you have a different story. Or a strong Korean buccaneer to a different strong class.

Jerry-Boyle Wrote:So 5 traits to rate for each class?

I'll try narrowing them down.

• Survivability
  
• Mobility
  
• 1v1
  
• Mobbing
  
• Funding effectiveness(?) ->Classes that benefit more from higher attack on weapons or funds in general
  

Are these fine to everybody else? Anything I missed?

Locked Wrote:You have no say in the matter because you don't know Steve nor his funding. Truth is, he's more funded than a large majority of the English speakers in here because he has seniority. Compare Steve's funding to a different Korean buccaneer and you have a different story. Or a strong Korean buccaneer to a different strong class.

Takebacker Wrote:He has less than 50% STR and a 117 attack knuckle. More funded than most english speakers? Absolutely. Funded? Absolutely not.

My point was that if this is all it takes to feel strong compared to other players, then the class must not be as bad as the percents list them as. I dunno. Maybe steve just has a bad perception of comparing other classes based on the numbers he sees, or maybe he just doesn't know and has confidence that buccs are strong now. I mean it's not like he sees numbers in aswan that aren't his.

Arrg Wrote:Cullen has 55% str and quite a nice polearm and I outdo him at aswan (based on base exp gained from mobs) with a 15-16 level gap.

Locked Wrote:I'm not sure if that's a good indication of anything. I'm sure you do fine in terms of mobbing anyway, not like I was denying it. I just feel as though other classes can do it better.

Locked Wrote:You do know his only probable point of comparison would be English speakers right? So funded in comparison to them is all that matters.

Loose Wrote:Party support?