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Upcoming content - Chameleonic - 2011-08-24
SwordStaker Wrote:Don't know about you but NEXON always responds to me right away>.> My HT ticket sent a week ago has a reply already with "work in progress." Hell my e-mail got changed for me after about 2 weeks of a ticket. Don't know why but NEXON seems to like me
Please send a ticket to get me unbanned...
I dont know why Nexon AM is so taken with PvP, it is the worst addition/update we've seen so far. It is unbearable.
Upcoming content - Phoenix Wright - 2011-08-24
Atuan Wrote:Except Legend is the big patch. Big patches will always hit in time for the holidays. Smaller patches to fill the gap in between.
Unless this PvP work is putting localization 3 months behind schedule, there is no way Jump isn't coming out in the next month or two and Legend for Christmas.
You take KMS' release month. Add 6 months. You have our release month. Its worked out that way for a while now.
The only question is whether or not we get Jump as an All-In-One deal like Aftershock. I doubt it.
This. There's been almost exactly 6 months between KMS and GMS since before Big Bang, and so far there's little to no reason to think that's going to change.
Upcoming content - skullowls - 2011-08-24
Durex Wrote:Masteria?
Spoiler
But,that already happend(Waits for masteria).
Upcoming content - Viaje - 2011-08-24
Atuan Wrote:Except Legend is the big patch. Big patches will always hit in time for the holidays. Smaller patches to fill the gap in between.You may want to check your math there, bub.
Unless this PvP work is putting localization 3 months behind schedule, there is no way Jump isn't coming out in the next month or two and Legend for Christmas.
You take KMS' release month. Add 6 months. You have our release month. Its worked out that way for a while now.
The only question is whether or not we get Jump as an All-In-One deal like Aftershock. I doubt it.
While Jump coming out in a month would indeed match the "six month rule", though barely since the first Jump patch came the last day of March, but using that assumption of a constant localization rate would mean that Legend, a patch that first hit the official KMS servers in July, couldn't arrive in GMS any earlier than January of next year.
Personally, I don't see any way GMS will be getting Legend within this year.
Yes, the patch started in July, but KMS just got Demon Slayers three weeks ago.
Someone may prove me wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that GMS getting content four months after KMS got it would be unprecedented.
The real question is what they're going to pad in the rest of the year.
Jump is a significant patch, it's true, but it basically comes down to three parts: skill revamps, Monster Park, and PQ revamp.
They'll likely stick it in one big patch and unlock the next part every week or two (a la Chaos).
Some people have pretended that the PQ revamp presents an issue with this method though it does not; simply deactivate PQs until the update.
Having no PQs for two to four weeks might be theoretically very upsetting, but it won't be nearly as big a deal was having to wait for Monster Park after Jump starts. Keep in mind that Jump also means the removal of Party Play zones, so if it's one big patch, high levels will be SOL until Monster Park comes out.
Still, with one to two weeks between unlocks, that still only comes out to a month's worth of content, making for a rather depressing end up the year.
Compare to last year:
- At the same time last year, we were one week into VPQ right now, so everyone was rather giddy (making me laugh heartily at those under the impression that the start of school means no big patches).
- The end of September brought Hob PQ and Ninja Castle.
- October was dull except for the cool effect rings that no longer give effects.
- November sucked.
- December = Big Bang.
Based on that, I'd put the Jump patch in either December or late September.
I will add that I expect (hope) October to bring the return of Witch Belts since GMS seems keen on subverting any benefits brought on by the Crafting system.
Upcoming content - SwordStaker - 2011-08-24
Viaje Wrote:You may want to check your math there, bub.While I agree with you especially jump in late September I can see other things happen especially with legend. Thing is that's a patch NEXON will want for the holidays because it draws a large crowd. Which is why I think we may see Cannons as early ast very late Novemeber and Mercedes in the mid of December with Christmas and Demon Slayer in January.
While Jump coming out in a month would indeed match the "six month rule", though barely since the first Jump patch came the last day of March, but using that assumption of a constant localization rate would mean that Legend, a patch that first hit the official KMS servers in July, couldn't arrive in GMS any earlier than January of next year.
Personally, I don't see any way GMS will be getting Legend within this year.
Yes, the patch started in July, but KMS just got Demon Slayers three weeks ago.
Someone may prove me wrong here, but I'm pretty sure that GMS getting content four months after KMS got it would be unprecedented.
The real question is what they're going to pad in the rest of the year.
Jump is a significant patch, it's true, but it basically comes down to three parts: skill revamps, Monster Park, and PQ revamp.
They'll likely stick it in one big patch and unlock the next part every week or two (a la Chaos).
Some people have pretended that the PQ revamp presents an issue with this method though it does not; simply deactivate PQs until the update.
Having no PQs for two to four weeks might be theoretically very upsetting, but it won't be nearly as big a deal was having to wait for Monster Park after Jump starts. Keep in mind that Jump also means the removal of Party Play zones, so if it's one big patch, high levels will be SOL until Monster Park comes out.
Still, with one to two weeks between unlocks, that still only comes out to a month's worth of content, making for a rather depressing end up the year.
Compare to last year:
- At the same time last year, we were one week into VPQ right now, so everyone was rather giddy (making me laugh heartily at those under the impression that the start of school means no big patches).
- The end of September brought Hob PQ and Ninja Castle.
- October was dull except for the cool effect rings that no longer give effects.
- November sucked.
- December = Big Bang.
Based on that, I'd put the Jump patch in either December or late September.
I will add that I expect (hope) October to bring the return of Witch Belts since GMS seems keen on subverting any benefits brought on by the Crafting system.
EDIT:Ontop of that I hope we get something mixed in with these updates..idk maybe it's just me but it always seems like October is our month to be getting content from other versions>.>
Upcoming content - Dark Link - 2011-08-24
Satellite Wrote:But Legend isnt similar to LHC + UA. Legend is supposed to be a "big main patch" (for summer/winter breaks) like Chaos and BB.
I also wonder how you think they would actually have some real content to fill the gap with.
Don't even need "Real content". NexonNA has done "Filler Content" in the past and it's definitely not out of the question. There's a good chunk of events KMS had that NexonNA hasn't brought over to GMS yet.
Upcoming content - Atuan - 2011-08-24
Big Bang hit in July for KMS, too. Big patches will always hit in time for the holiday, and it'll probably wrap up in January just like the Big Bang did.
There is absolutely no way Nexon is going to postpone the next big content update for 3 months off their natural schedule. They aren't going to pass up that Christmas cash to be lazy and pad in garbage that attracts no one.
Upcoming content - Dark Link - 2011-08-24
Atuan Wrote:There is absolutely no way Nexon is going to postpone the next big content update for 3 months off their natural schedule. They aren't going to pass up that Christmas cash to be lazy and pad in garbage that attracts no one.
They've done it before. I remember a few "Season" dates being filler / rehashed content.
Upcoming content - Atuan - 2011-08-24
Dark Link Wrote:They've done it before. I remember a few "Season" dates being filler / rehashed content.
The useless in between months are padded. Not the holidays. MapleStory's biggest patches will always land in the Summer and Winter. That is their direction.
Upcoming content - Takebacker - 2011-08-24
Atuan Wrote:Big Bang hit in July for KMS, too. Big patches will always hit in time for the holiday, and it'll probably wrap up in January just like the Big Bang did.
There is absolutely no way Nexon is going to postpone the next big content update for 3 months off their natural schedule. They aren't going to pass up that Christmas cash to be lazy and pad in garbage that attracts no one.
Jump is not big content. Legend is not big content. Chaos was big content. Big bang was big content. The 2 new updates are either class revamps only or new classes only, something they've been doing for YEARS and this is nowhere near the quantity of work that BB and chaos was, because they were revamps AND new classes(BB)/new areas(chaos). Monster park and PQ revamps is the only other thing in jump, and those aren't nearly as much work as future ereve or edelstein is. (going by map/image quantities)
What is silly though is waiting for the holidays when their biggest cash cow that will come from korea comes in legend to try and maximize profit. Getting content out sooner = maximizing profit because the sooner legend tier comes out the sooner people will stop withholding their cubes. And if they make some new GMS thing to have people spend money on it (perma pet att equips, etc) then it's fine either way.
Upcoming content - Viaje - 2011-08-24
SwordStaker Wrote:While I agree with you especially jump in late September I can see other things happen especially with legend. Thing is that's a patch NEXON will want for the holidays because it draws a large crowd. Which is why I think we may see Cannons as early ast very late Novemeber and Mercedes in the mid of December with Christmas and Demon Slayer in January.I'd agree that they would probably want Legend to be a big holiday patch, but history says it just won't happen.
EDIT:Ontop of that I hope we get something mixed in with these updates..idk maybe it's just me but it always seems like October is our month to be getting content from other versions>.>
The dates you've provided are even more outlandish because Cannoneers in November would mean we'd be getting them three months after KMS. That's half the typical turnaround.
Not only that, but you're actually spreading out the Legend update more than KMS did, which is also unprecedented.
KMS got the first Chaos patch 12/16 and the Ice Knight patch 1/30. Similarly, GMS got the first Chaos patch 6/29 and the Ice Knight patch 7/27.
You're now suggesting that Legend, which was just a month's worth of patches, become three months of patches.
As for content from other versions...
Dark Link Wrote:Don't even need "Real content". NexonNA has done "Filler Content" in the past and it's definitely not out of the question. There's a good chunk of events KMS had that NexonNA hasn't brought over to GMS yet.Would you mind reminding me of what some of those events are?
Because I've honestly been trying to think of what they could swipe from another version, and turned up nothing.
Seems to me like Crosshunter might be our "pulled from another version" content this year.
Atuan Wrote:Big Bang hit in July for KMS, too. Big patches will always hit in time for the holiday, and it'll probably wrap up in January just like the Big Bang did.True enough, so there goes the six months theory.
There is absolutely no way Nexon is going to postpone the next big content update for 3 months off their natural schedule. They aren't going to pass up that Christmas cash to be lazy and pad in garbage that attracts no one.
That said, I do feel like Big Bang was a bit of a different scenario. There wasn't really anything they could give us without giving us Big Bang.
Remember also, Jump is a big patch too.
Releasing Legend for the holidays would mean pushing Jump up to months that are typically barren.
That means doing a lot of work to release a patch that most people will be too busy to take enjoy.
Takebacker Wrote:Jump is not big content. Legend is not big content. Chaos was big content. Big bang was big content. The 2 new updates are either class revamps only or new classes only, something they've been doing for YEARS and this is nowhere near the quantity of work that BB and chaos was, because they were revamps AND new classes(BB)/new areas(chaos). Monster park and PQ revamps is the only other thing in jump, and those aren't nearly as much work as future ereve or edelstein is. (going by map/image quantities)I'll go out on a ledge here and say that by "big" everyone else means "significant".
What is silly though is waiting for the holidays when their biggest cash cow that will come from korea comes in legend to try and maximize profit. Getting content out sooner = maximizing profit because the sooner legend tier comes out the sooner people will stop withholding their cubes. And if they make some new GMS thing to have people spend money on it (perma pet att equips, etc) then it's fine either way.
Jump and Legend are both very significant as is any patch that involves an overhaul of classes, a massive change in the way people train, and new classes.
Your argument would presume that the addition of the class that you happen to main was not significant.
It would also presume that a revamp of that class is also insignificant and, therefore, of no major consequence.
You also falsely presume that the majority of NX buyers are waiting for the legend tier to hit; they aren't.
The only ones who would bother holding out would be those who already have all their items at Unique. Most people don't have this "problem". You can't jump two tiers in one cube, after all.
Of course, this also presumes that cubes are their biggest cash cow. So many presumptions...
Upcoming content - Atuan - 2011-08-24
I don't disagree. Jump is large, and I'm probably overestimating the GMS team's localization speed. They've been very good about getting content here in a timely fashion lately, though.
Upcoming content - Takebacker - 2011-08-24
Viaje Wrote:I'll go out on a ledge here and say that by "big" everyone else means "significant".
No.
Viaje Wrote:Jump and Legend are both very significant as is any patch that involves an overhaul of classes, a massive change in the way people train, and new classes.
Chaos and big bang would take more time to code than jump and legend. That is all i meant considering that's the only thing that matters and affects a release timeline.
Viaje Wrote:Your argument would presume that the addition of the class that you happen to main was not significant.
It would also presume that a revamp of that class is also insignificant and, therefore, of no major consequence.
You're making a f'uck ton too many assumptions as to what i'm saying.
Viaje Wrote:You also falsely presume that the majority of NX buyers are waiting for the legend tier to hit; they aren't.
The only ones who would bother holding out would be those who already have all their items at Unique. Most people don't have this "problem". You can't jump two tiers in one cube, after all.
People are also waiting because legend cubes make rare items unique after you buy like 30. Yeah it's a lot but you're better off fusing for stuff until legend and then worrying about damage.
Viaje Wrote:Of course, this also presumes that cubes are their biggest cash cow.
Lol'd.
Viaje Wrote:So many presumptions...
Lol'd again.
Upcoming content - Viaje - 2011-08-24
Takebacker Wrote:No.You are not "everyone else".
Takebacker Wrote:Chaos and big bang would take more time to code than jump and legend. That is all i meant considering that's the only thing that matters and affects a release timeline.How laughably naive. I assume you have a source for this pomegranate you're making up?
Takebacker Wrote:You're making a f'uck ton too many assumptions as to what i'm saying.No, I'm making logical steps from something you out-rightly stated to be a fact.
If what you said is true, then what I said must also be true because it's intrinsically implied by what you said.
Takebacker Wrote:People are also waiting because legend cubes make rare items unique after you buy like 30. Yeah it's a lot but you're better off fusing for stuff until legend and then worrying about damage.I wasn't aware of that, lending me to believe that most players aren't either. Again, source please.
In the future, if you have nothing meaningful to say in response to something, you probably shouldn't bother posting your response. I read "Lol'd" as "I really have nothing I could possibly say to this, but I don't have enough control to not reply to every single sentence, regardless."
Atuan Wrote:I don't disagree. Jump is large, and I'm probably overestimating the GMS team's localization speed. They've been very good about getting content here in a timely fashion lately, though.True on both accounts. They have had a rather great release timeline lately, but I still have my doubts that they could pull out two major patches in such a short time.
Trying to get anything out of the Dev Blogs isn't helping much either. After all, the one Spadow posted doesn't hint at much else after Jump, but it was also posted just two days before Nexon announced the Legends patch, so it's not like they would have the ability to hint at it anyway.
Then there's this Dev Blog in which they say that they "only had a few months" to come up with Age of Triumph, which turned out to be utterly underwhelming despite most of it being ripped from another version. If it took them several months to ready that patch, I have little optimism for them getting the other two done in a timely manner.
Upcoming content - Dark Link - 2011-08-24
Atuan Wrote:The useless in between months are padded. Not the holidays. MapleStory's biggest patches will always land in the Summer and Winter. That is their direction.
Did they add a "Major content" patch during the year in December when we got those 20atk Reindeer hats?
Takebacker Wrote:People are also waiting because legend cubes make rare items unique after you buy like 30. Yeah it's a lot but you're better off fusing for stuff until legend and then worrying about damage.
Legend Cubes have an increased rarity change % or something? This is the first I've heard of it.
Upcoming content - AzureKite - 2011-08-24
These are just my thoughts on the future patches:
September
Monster Familiar(We have some of it already in the data, and there are hackers summoning familiars already)
Soul Weapons(Seems likely since we just got Monster Book)
October
Halloween Events/possible Haunted House expansion(Hopefully they are not reusing the Olivia event again)
Jump Update 1
November
Thanksgiving Events
Jump Update 2
December
Jump Update 3
Cannon Shooters(Seems possible if Nexon wants to bring out something interesting for around Christmas break.)
Christmas Events
January
Mercedes(This estimate is very soon, but I can't think of other content that would be used for a Holiday patch.)
February
Valentine's Day Events
March
NX Events
Gachapon Events
April
Demon Slayer
May/June
Time Temple Update
Past Leafre
Upcoming content - Tikey - 2011-08-24
AzureKite Wrote:These are just my thoughts on the future patches:
September
Monster Familiar(We have some of it already in the data, and there are hackers summoning familiars already)
Soul Weapons(Seems likely since we just got Monster Book)
October
Halloween Events/possible Haunted House expansion(Hopefully they are not reusing the Olivia event again)
Jump Update 1
November
Thanksgiving Events
Jump Update 2
December
Jump Update 3
Cannon Shooters(Seems possible if Nexon wants to bring out something interesting for around Christmas break.)
Christmas Events
January
Mercedes(This estimate is very soon, but I can't think of other content that would be used for a Holiday patch.)
February
Valentine's Day Events
March
NX Events
Gachapon Events
April
Demon Slayer
May/June
Time Temple Update
Past Leafre
I doubt the Jump patch is going to be panned out that much since major patches like those are released in 2 week intervals.
Upcoming content - byakugan - 2011-08-24
Viaje Wrote:Of course, this also presumes that cubes are their biggest cash cow.
He lol's because cubes are indeed Nexon's biggest cash cow from MapleStory.
AzureKite Wrote:March
NX Events
Gachapon Events
April
Demon Slayer
May/June
Time Temple Update
Past Leafre
Everything seemed plausible until you decided to delay Demon Slayers all the way up to April. There's no way players would accept thar.
Upcoming content - byakugan - 2011-08-24
Sorry. Delete this one please.
Upcoming content - AzureKite - 2011-08-25
byakugan Wrote:Everything seemed plausible until you decided to delay Demon Slayers all the way up to April. There's no way players would accept thar.Understandable. I only put them down that far since I doubt Nexon would release 3 classes so close together. They'll probably release Cannon Shooter and Mercedes close, since they don't have much content to actually have for patches. However, if they add Demon Slayer any sooner, it would kill the possible hype I think. they'll probably span events out for Cannon Shooter and Mercedes for a month or two, which leaves Demon Slayer for March or April.