Polantaris Wrote:This is why I don't post here much.

You fail to see the relevance. So I guess everyone who plays MH NEVER ONCE touches MS? Or contributes to MS in any way? You say as if people who play one game can never touch another game. Things learned from a game like MH can easily assist you in making strategies for this game. They have what...thirty players there? You want me to believe that there's absolutely no strategy in there at all? People are just mashing buttons and hoping things happen? That's how most GMS players play, they've said it themselves. Hell, that's how I play MS most of the time. I'm not saying that I myself would ever have the ability to do the Empress, but that's not the point.

If you get thirty players who know exactly what they are doing, and they formulate a plan to exactly time attacks, exactly time skill uses, to exactly time when to do certain things, you can absolutely do better than a group where everyone is just doing their own thing, with no coordination what so ever. That's exactly what they do here. They always do it. They've shown the ability to do it in MH, they can easily do it in MS, where there's significantly less variables to care about.

It's not my fault that GMS has a bugged Empress. Hell, for all we know maybe GMS could have beaten JMS in timing, but you also forget...JMS JUST got Empress. It was two days ago. I highly doubt even if Empress wasn't bugged in GMS, they would have done it in a week, let alone one day after it was released.

MHFO was simply an example of how the Japanese players can create teamwork beyond what you'd possibly expect or even think was possible. I would never believe half the runs I've seen and participated in myself unless I was there to see them. How is MS any different? If you have the people, and they can work together in the amount that the Japanese players have shown they can, they can do these kinds of things. It makes no difference on what game it is, because it's still teamwork. You guys thought Empress was basically impossible, I thought it was impossible to kill a Black Fatalis in 60 seconds. But both are quite possible, and both have been proven by Japanese players.

And sure, I will agree there IS a possibility that they are hackers, but it's so slim it's not even funny. I've never seen a native Japanese player hack. I've never seen any kind of record of it. We see videos and screenshots of Americans, Chinese, and Koreans hacking all the damn time, but I've never seen a Japanese player hack. Ever. And even if you can show me a video or a screenshot of a Japanese player hacking, with absolute certainty that it is a Japanese player, I could show you a hundred more of American/Chinese/Korean hackers for every Japanese hacker you find. Hell, people were flaunting their 15+ star gear when that stuff was going on, the GMS markets are FLOODED with duped items and gear, it's not even funny anymore. The likelyhood that these guys are hackers is just so slim, it's barely possible. So I will say that it is possible, but the chances are so unlikely that it'd mind as well not be possible at all.

Now I am done with this. I'm sick of posting the crap over and over. People will believe whatever they want to believe. If you want to believe they are hackers so that you can say your version is first at killing Empress, do whatever you want. Not like we can stop you, and it's not like it didn't happen for PB (I'm told GMS says they did it first all the time, but it was JMS).

Polantaris Wrote:

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This is why I don't post here much.

You fail to see the relevance. So I guess everyone who plays MH NEVER ONCE touches MS? Or contributes to MS in any way? You say as if people who play one game can never touch another game. Things learned from a game like MH can easily assist you in making strategies for this game. They have what...thirty players there? You want me to believe that there's absolutely no strategy in there at all? People are just mashing buttons and hoping things happen? That's how most GMS players play, they've said it themselves. Hell, that's how I play MS most of the time. I'm not saying that I myself would ever have the ability to do the Empress, but that's not the point.

If you get thirty players who know exactly what they are doing, and they formulate a plan to exactly time attacks, exactly time skill uses, to exactly time when to do certain things, you can absolutely do better than a group where everyone is just doing their own thing, with no coordination what so ever. That's exactly what they do here. They always do it. They've shown the ability to do it in MH, they can easily do it in MS, where there's significantly less variables to care about.

It's not my fault that GMS has a bugged Empress. Hell, for all we know maybe GMS could have beaten JMS in timing, but you also forget...JMS JUST got Empress. It was two days ago. I highly doubt even if Empress wasn't bugged in GMS, they would have done it in a week, let alone one day after it was released.

MHFO was simply an example of how the Japanese players can create teamwork beyond what you'd possibly expect or even think was possible. I would never believe half the runs I've seen and participated in myself unless I was there to see them. How is MS any different? If you have the people, and they can work together in the amount that the Japanese players have shown they can, they can do these kinds of things. It makes no difference on what game it is, because it's still teamwork. You guys thought Empress was basically impossible, I thought it was impossible to kill a Black Fatalis in 60 seconds. But both are quite possible, and both have been proven by Japanese players.

And sure, I will agree there IS a possibility that they are hackers, but it's so slim it's not even funny. I've never seen a native Japanese player hack. I've never seen any kind of record of it. We see videos and screenshots of Americans, Chinese, and Koreans hacking all the damn time, but I've never seen a Japanese player hack. Ever. And even if you can show me a video or a screenshot of a Japanese player hacking, with absolute certainty that it is a Japanese player, I could show you a hundred more of American/Chinese/Korean hackers for every Japanese hacker you find. Hell, people were flaunting their 15+ star gear when that stuff was going on, the GMS markets are FLOODED with duped items and gear, it's not even funny anymore. The likelyhood that these guys are hackers is just so slim, it's barely possible. So I will say that it is possible, but the chances are so unlikely that it'd mind as well not be possible at all.

Now I am done with this. I'm sick of posting the crap over and over. People will believe whatever they want to believe. If you want to believe they are hackers so that you can say your version is first at killing Empress, do whatever you want. Not like we can stop you, and it's not like it didn't happen for PB (I'm told GMS says they did it first all the time, but it was JMS).

Polantaris Wrote:Not like we can stop you, and it's not like it didn't happen for PB (I'm told GMS says they did it first all the time, but it was JMS).

XxSilencer Wrote:Just wanted to quickly quote this part and point out that it was actually the PRODUCER of MapleStory Crstyn Cox that had pointed out that GMS was the 1st version to down Pink Bean.

Edit: Would also like to say due to the above post that 1 day after Empress came out Bello took a shot at it and with only 2 parties we downed Empress to 10% HP in less then 10 minutes and the video is up there as solid proof unlike the edited to hell SS's in this thread.

XxSilencer Wrote:Just wanted to quickly quote this part and point out that it was actually the PRODUCER of MapleStory Crstyn Cox that had pointed out that GMS was the 1st version to down Pink Bean.

Edit: Would also like to say due to the above post that 1 day after Empress came out Bello took a shot at it and with only 2 parties we downed Empress to 10% HP in less then 10 minutes and the video is up there as solid proof unlike the edited to hell SS's in this thread.

Polantaris Wrote:This is why I don't post here much.

You fail to see the relevance. So I guess everyone who plays MH NEVER ONCE touches MS? Or contributes to MS in any way? You say as if people who play one game can never touch another game. Things learned from a game like MH can easily assist you in making strategies for this game. They have what...thirty players there? You want me to believe that there's absolutely no strategy in there at all? People are just mashing buttons and hoping things happen? That's how most GMS players play, they've said it themselves. Hell, that's how I play MS most of the time. I'm not saying that I myself would ever have the ability to do the Empress, but that's not the point.

If you get thirty players who know exactly what they are doing, and they formulate a plan to exactly time attacks, exactly time skill uses, to exactly time when to do certain things, you can absolutely do better than a group where everyone is just doing their own thing, with no coordination what so ever. That's exactly what they do here. They always do it. They've shown the ability to do it in MH, they can easily do it in MS, where there's significantly less variables to care about.

It's not my fault that GMS has a bugged Empress. Hell, for all we know maybe GMS could have beaten JMS in timing, but you also forget...JMS JUST got Empress. It was two days ago. I highly doubt even if Empress wasn't bugged in GMS, they would have done it in a week, let alone one day after it was released.

MHFO was simply an example of how the Japanese players can create teamwork beyond what you'd possibly expect or even think was possible. I would never believe half the runs I've seen and participated in myself unless I was there to see them. How is MS any different? If you have the people, and they can work together in the amount that the Japanese players have shown they can, they can do these kinds of things. It makes no difference on what game it is, because it's still teamwork. You guys thought Empress was basically impossible, I thought it was impossible to kill a Black Fatalis in 60 seconds. But both are quite possible, and both have been proven by Japanese players.

And sure, I will agree there IS a possibility that they are hackers, but it's so slim it's not even funny. I've never seen a native Japanese player hack. I've never seen any kind of record of it. We see videos and screenshots of Americans, Chinese, and Koreans hacking all the damn time, but I've never seen a Japanese player hack. Ever. And even if you can show me a video or a screenshot of a Japanese player hacking, with absolute certainty that it is a Japanese player, I could show you a hundred more of American/Chinese/Korean hackers for every Japanese hacker you find. Hell, people were flaunting their 15+ star gear when that stuff was going on, the GMS markets are FLOODED with duped items and gear, it's not even funny anymore. The likelyhood that these guys are hackers is just so slim, it's barely possible. So I will say that it is possible, but the chances are so unlikely that it'd mind as well not be possible at all.

Now I am done with this. I'm sick of posting the crap over and over. People will believe whatever they want to believe. If you want to believe they are hackers so that you can say your version is first at killing Empress, do whatever you want. Not like we can stop you, and it's not like it didn't happen for PB (I'm told GMS says they did it first all the time, but it was JMS).

Chicocl Wrote:Why is Empress Cygnus Hard:
1)It is broken

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:At first, when I saw this thread, I was half-expecting sour losers from GMS.

Instead, I come in here and read it only to see sour winners from JMS.

ShanghaiDizzy Wrote:At first, when I saw this thread, I was half-expecting sour losers from GMS.

Instead, I come in here and read it only to see sour casual onlookers from JMS.

White Wrote:Ok, so what i've read in all of your posts has been, basically, Japanese Elitism. Great, have cultural pride. Just be sure to look outside here and there and see that Japanese people are people, not gods. Ironically, we have people here in America too. Keeping in mind that people are people, and I draw the conclusion that there are Americans that can coordinate and work together to successfully take down difficult bosses.

MysticHLE Wrote:Not surprised here. But congratulations JMS! GMS is all about damage/HP and no brains/coordination...

byakugan Wrote:Someone didn't even read the first page.

CommanderJinn Wrote:Someone's sarcasm meter is broken.

Erich Wrote:This is getting ridiculous, guys. This gets posted, and you guys say it isn't possible, or bring up a bunch of excuses of why you didn't do it first. We point that this is fairly legit, and prove with solid evidence, and you say it's elitism. It isn't. It's cold, hard facts. Your pride gets hurt, so you have to drag other accomplishments in. Look at the truth, and wholly the truth. The only people saying that they are better is the Global side of this argument. Both sides get credit where credit is due, and both did it a different way. One way is a little more respectable, but an accomplishment is an accomplishment either way.

Erich Wrote:This is getting ridiculous, guys. This gets posted, and you guys say it isn't possible, or bring up a bunch of excuses of why you didn't do it first. We point that this is fairly legit, and prove with solid evidence, and you say it's elitism. It isn't. It's cold, hard facts. Your pride gets hurt, so you have to drag other accomplishments in. Look at the truth, and wholly the truth. The only people saying that they are better is the Global side of this argument. Both sides get credit where credit is due, and both did it a different way. One way is a little more respectable, but an accomplishment is an accomplishment either way.