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Ask a Bowman Thread. - Retalion - 2008-07-13
Cybuster Wrote:Inferno doesn't have much real use in training, apart from being a non-stunning mob attack though, right?
Archers don't really train on anything fire weak, do they? Unless there is something in Leafre that I haven't researched or something.
I would say a more accurate statement is that Inferno doesnt have much real use in training Right now. With the NLC expansion just beyond the horizon and the constant mention of thiinking outside the box, I wouldnt be surprised if more elemental mobs worthy of training on are released, making the skill more useful. THen again, I could be wrong and we'd be back to talking about how much it sucks. You cant lose by "playing safe" and getting the skill. THat's just my look on it.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-07-13
You could always do what I plan to on my soon to be Ranger, and not-max-Strafe.
Or, use SP resets and dump Strafe into Inferno when such maps arrive.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kranzorbaken - 2008-07-13
Okay so tody i got an 8 str cape and i was wondering if i had my end-game bow as an arund which needs 85 str right? im trying to figure out if ideally i should keep my str cape to help me cap my str earlier or will i switch to a dex cape. Or does it make a difference.
Like say i have my 1 str pendant 8 str cape and 15str zhelm
thats 24 str
so 85-24 is 61 str. now that seems a bit low to me but then again im thinking it seems right cause if down the line i do switch to a dex cape yes i will need 8 more str.
So if so where would i get that 8 more str.
Any help would be greatly appreciiated if you indeed get what im asking lol.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-07-13
A lower base Str is almost always better. If your current cape is a PAC, then stick to it. Otherwise, buy a Str PAC, or add Dex to get one. Alternatively, you can use a Dex Cape, and get Str Overalls. (Not scrolled for str, but just ones with high Base Str)
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Retalion - 2008-07-13
Kranzorbaken Wrote:Okay so tody i got an 8 str cape and i was wondering if i had my end-game bow as an arund which needs 85 str right? im trying to figure out if ideally i should keep my str cape to help me cap my str earlier or will i switch to a dex cape. Or does it make a difference.
Like say i have my 1 str pendant 8 str cape and 15str zhelm
thats 24 str
so 85-24 is 61 str. now that seems a bit low to me but then again im thinking it seems right cause if down the line i do switch to a dex cape yes i will need 8 more str.
So if so where would i get that 8 more str.
Any help would be greatly appreciiated if you indeed get what im asking lol.
Im in a dilema (somewhat) with my strength atm. Let me just say that I set my strength before many of the current equips were out so I had left myself at 65 base str (4 from shoes, 14 from helm, 2 from overall), leaving me exactly at 85. However, now there's MW, pendants (even spiegelman adds 2) and other things out there that get me over my strength, but not enough to get to 95 to use a metus but not enough to trade my str shoes for face stompers. A str cape is a good way to cap your strength for later equips in my opinion though you could use it forever too. It'll probably save you AP resets down the road.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kranzorbaken - 2008-07-13
Sadly its only a raggedy cape but its 8 str nonetheless. But i have no doubt that i will be able to get a 8+ str pac down the line. I might even cap at 60 cause 2 str speiglemanns arent hard to find.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Worthyness - 2008-07-13
I kinda have high strength and i'm too poor to use ap resets =0
I have 95 ish WITHOUT equips...I have around 12x with all my equips on (7 str overall, 2 str necklace, 15 str helmet, 2 str shoes, 6 or 7 str cape)...
I guess i could always use the 120 bow if they ever come out xD
I don't know... I guess i'm fine the ways my equips go...
One question tho... My necklace i tried scrolling got 30 hp/mp only and i have no more slots... would it be worth trying to get another necklace with 2 strength and rescroll (I have a CPQ mule) or keep this one until i massively cpq on my pirate?
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-07-14
Well, I prefer as much HP as I can get, but that's up to you whether you want the extra HP or not =P
If you buy a 2/1/1/1, (or even 2/2) and scroll it, it could turn out better =P
Ask a Bowman Thread. - SoulQuincy - 2008-07-14
at lvl 120 on average how many times can u wash?
is it true u have to be lvl 170 to survive horntail?
and how many people have done the "blood build" made by truemark
i ask alot about hp because i wanna horntail as soon as possible
around 140~150 if i can
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Beaner - 2008-07-14
SoulQuincy Wrote:at lvl 120 on average how many times can u wash?
is it true u have to be lvl 170 to survive horntail?
and how many people have done the "blood build" made by truemark
i ask alot about hp because i wanna horntail as soon as possible
around 140~150 if i can
lv doesnt matter, hp does. you need 4850 total hp to ht safely.
the first 3mm in windia wiht pendant and a few bowmasters did it to some extent, including myself. it is very useful if you cant afford to wash or start too late and dont want to wait till 170 to ht.
if you hp wash and use int gear from lv50ish or so you could have enough hp as low as 12x, just requires a lot of mesos and real money.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-07-14
If you wanna HT that early, you might wanna be a Xbloodmaster. Personally I'm adding a total of 50 points from 100~105 (So I can Bottom at Newties) and 115~120 (So I can solo Manon and Griffey)
You need to be level 170 to survive HT without HP washing. Even then you wouldn't be able to survive the legs (Which Truemark does with a few HP equips at level 14x)
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Worthyness - 2008-07-14
I'm still debating on blood builds. I wanna see how dedicated i am to this game before deciding that xD
Any ways... at what level would Inferno beat out arrow bomb on mobs of 4-6? Not including the stun factor, just raw damage.
And also, for end of 3rd job builds would 29 hawk, and 22 inferno be good to end with?
Maxed everything else, except thrust.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - SoulQuincy - 2008-07-14
Kevvl Wrote:If you wanna HT that early, you might wanna be a Xbloodmaster. Personally I'm adding a total of 50 points from 100~105 (So I can Bottom at Newties) and 115~120 (So I can solo Manon and Griffey)
You need to be level 170 to survive HT without HP washing. Even then you wouldn't be able to survive the legs (Which Truemark does with a few HP equips at level 14x)
does it matter wen u put 50 points into hp?
like does it effect how much hp u get?
or does it add th same amount?
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Beaner - 2008-07-14
SoulQuincy Wrote:does it matter wen u put 50 points into hp?
like does it effect how much hp u get?
or does it add th same amount?
you will be 10 lvs weaker than someone with the sames equips and same lv as you. you get between 16-21 hp per point.
check my post on the prev page that answered your questions before it might help you a lil
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-07-14
Worthyness Wrote:I'm still debating on blood builds. I wanna see how dedicated i am to this game before deciding that xD
Any ways... at what level would Inferno beat out arrow bomb on mobs of 4-6? Not including the stun factor, just raw damage.
And also, for end of 3rd job builds would 29 hawk, and 22 inferno be good to end with?
Maxed everything else, except thrust.
Well, Inferno is the most useful for specific things at 3 main levels.
If you don't want it, leave it at level 1 (Clearly not the case for you)
If you want it as a luring tool, level 16 (Range increases at level 16)
If you want it for damage, ideal is 25+ (Or maxed), although 21/22 still seems the most common these days (Since it's the most convenient)
You could always get a tad less hawk (27 or 25 hawk and 24/27 Inferno), or leave it at 22. Depending on whatever Masteria has in store, and how the mobs are when GMS gets Time Temple, it won't make much of a difference.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Worthyness - 2008-07-14
Thanks person above me ^^
Now onto HP weakness... If i were to use Trumark's bloodmaster build, but spread those 50 points of Hp into seprate levels (i.e. +4 dex,+1 hp /level) starting now (98 at the moment), would that hinder my training from now until 120?
or would it be betteer to place points according to the guide +5 hp from 130-139?
The reason i ask is because My characters are not rich in general, mesos and nx wise, so that would mean I'd have to solo many bosses to get my 4th job skills.
Edit: And for the full usefulness of this blood build, what pots would you be using? 0_o
Or at what points are the NLC percentage pots worth using over barbarian elixers?
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-07-14
Well, if you do it like I am, which allows you to train at new places earlier, It'll actually HELP you.
At 103, I'll have enough HP to Bottom at Newts (102 if I wear my 90/90 Necklace, but I got a friend borrowing that for now)
By 120, I'll be able to Skele, as well as solo Griffey and Manon (Although I plan to take a break from Leafre and head to Gobies)
Although, adding into HP after 4th job, you'll notice the damage decrease less, and it won't affect your % per hour as much.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Technolink - 2008-07-14
Kev, how much HP for bottom?
Either way right now I can bottom effectively completely relying on bliz, eventually I'll be able to keep most of the burden on eagle as well.
Its better exp then middle and i've only died 2 times getting used to it. But I still can't party due to level.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Kevvl - 2008-07-15
Without a Helm, I take 2.85k max, although I'll be going down there when I have 2.9 at the very least, which I should have in 2-3 levels of HP washing (Currently 2650 with that Necklace, assuming about 18 HP per AP, 3 levels at the max)
*edit* I got a Pig Headband if my HP is still too low at level 102 =P
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Worthyness - 2008-07-15
Would it be more beneficial to start the blood build earlier when it's easier to level?
Or would that severely hinder my damage?
Just curious, cause I'm quickly approaching the 100's now... I hope to get as much info as needed in order to make my ranger a decent character that i can explore the maple world with =P