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You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - Rob - 2011-02-04
Wow, thread died after Sarah, Spidey and I stopped discussing.
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - StringStrider - 2011-02-04
Rob Wrote:Wow, thread died after Sarah, Spidey and I stopped discussing.
I tried to help
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - Felicitates - 2011-02-04
What if that money belong to a drug dealer?
Would you still give it back?
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - Rob - 2011-02-04
StringStrider Wrote:I tried to help
S'all good.
Delicae Wrote:What if that money belong to a drug dealer?
Would you still give it back?
As we've put a page or two earlier, it's up to the person. I now question what would Sarah do in this case. A nice contradiction in morality or whatever.
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - Sarah - 2011-02-04
If I knew with absolute 100% certainty that the money belonged to a drug dealer then I would give it to charity where it would go to better use. I struggled with that for a second because both decisions are morally wrong but one is the lesser evil, so that's what I'd choose. Keeping the money isn't an option, because I know where it belongs and would essentially be stealing it.
Also @ Rob: Morals and ethics are the standard for HUMAN DECENCY. They're a compromise to living in a society, not a fucking method of 'assimilation'. Seriously, man. You might as well say I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE TO TREAT HUMANS WITH ANY STANDARD OF RESPECT BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY "THE MAN" WANTS US TO BEHAVE AND THEREFORE IT'S WRONG. Morals and ethics are just being a good person, and there's no point in discussing this further if you think they shouldn't be observed because in that case you are by virtue a terrible person.
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - Rob - 2011-02-04
Sarah Wrote:Also @ Rob: Morals and ethics are the standard for HUMAN DECENCY. They're a compromise to living in a society, not a fucking method of 'assimilation'. Seriously, man. You might as well say I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE TO TREAT HUMANS WITH ANY STANDARD OF RESPECT BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY "THE MAN" WANTS US TO BEHAVE AND THEREFORE IT'S WRONG. Morals and ethics are just being a good person, and there's no point in discussing this further if you think they shouldn't be observed because in that case you are by virtue a terrible person.
No. Morals and Ethics are a set of beliefs you're set in because society as a whole made them up. I live by Common Sense, not by what society generally thinks is right.
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - Sarah - 2011-02-04
Rob Wrote:No. Morals and Ethics are a set of beliefs you're set in because society as a whole made them up. I live by Common Sense, not by what society generally thinks is right.
Common sense is that someone's belonging doesn't go in your pocket just because you picked it up. Common sense would be helping someone if you have the chance. How does anything you've said fall under common sense, exactly? You live by selfishness and refuse to admit it and actually keep attempting to justify it which is just gross. Like I said before, at least Spidey doesn't pretend s/he is doing something s/he is not. Regardless of morals, ethics or 'common sense', s/he straight up takes responsibility for her/his choice.
And in regards to morals and ethics you repeated what I said and then threw them out the window as if it's not important. They're not beliefs, they're guidelines to being a good person, as ruled by COMMON SENSE.
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - Rob - 2011-02-04
Sarah Wrote:Common sense is that someone's belonging doesn't go in your pocket just because you picked it up. Common sense would be helping someone if you have the chance. How does anything you've said fall under common sense, exactly? You live by selfishness and refuse to admit it and actually keep attempting to justify it which is just gross. Like I said before, at least Spidey doesn't pretend s/he is doing something s/he is not. Regardless of morals, ethics or 'common sense', s/he straight up takes responsibility for her/his choice.
And in regards to morals and ethics you repeated what I said and then threw them out the window as if it's not important. They're not beliefs, they're guidelines to being a good person, as ruled by COMMON SENSE.
No. I've stated many times, and I will state once again, that the problem is money. I don't keep items, just money. I go out of my way to return any item to its owner whenever possible. ''You live by selfishness'' - I can be selfish irl, but that assuming WAY too much.
And regarding morals and ethics:
First of all, Ethics is a branch inside morality, so let's just discuss morality. As opposed to common sense, morality is a set of beliefs that include the definition of what is right, what is wrong, what does that society in particular acknowledge as justice, ''sin'', etc., while common sense equates to the knowledge and experience which most people already have, or which that particular person believes that they do or should have.
It's pretty clear in the definition of common sense just straight out of Wikipedia:
Wikipedia Wrote:Common sense, based on a strict construction of the term, consists of what people in common would agree on : that which they "sense" as their common natural understanding. Some people use the phrase to refer to beliefs or propositions that — in their opinion — most people would consider prudent and of sound judgment, without reliance on esoteric knowledge or study or research, but based upon what they see as knowledge held by people "in common".
Hell, morality is a way broader term that involves that particular person accepting that the previous concepts I mentioned are the ''right thing'' for the group he's living in.
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - Rob - 2011-02-04
oops double post
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - MiSSHaku - 2011-02-04
I would have to turn the money in if I found it somewhere in a decent place (like a shopping centre), as opposed to an alley way. My conscience would just get the better of me if I tried to take it. >_<!
Back in Japan my friend accidentally left 円5,000 at a restaurant we were dining at and hadn't realised.
We had already left and was a few hundred metres away from the store when one of the waitresses ran and caught up with us to return it. :3
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - StringStrider - 2011-02-04
Rob Wrote:No. I've stated many times, and I will state once again, that the problem is money. I don't keep items, just money. I go out of my way to return any item to its owner whenever possible. ''You live by selfishness'' - I can be selfish irl, but that assuming WAY too much.
And regarding morals and ethics:
First of all, Ethics is a branch inside morality, so let's just discuss morality. As opposed to common sense, morality is a set of beliefs that include the definition of what is right, what is wrong, what does that society in particular acknowledge as justice, ''sin'', etc., while common sense equates to the knowledge and experience which most people already have, or which that particular person believes that they do or should have.
It's pretty clear in the definition of common sense just straight out of Wikipedia:
Hell, morality is a way broader term that involves that particular person accepting that the previous concepts I mentioned are the ''right thing'' for the group he's living in.
For the first time in my life, I can see pros and cons to both sides of the argument, and of equal value. This is the one time I'd consider myself "on the fence".
Common sense can be argued to be the same as morals, in that, as a whole society tends to deem certain events/interactions acceptable and others not. You could argue that it's common sense to return the money if there's a person looking for money nearby, since as a whole society will agree that that person is most likely searching for something that they lost, and money is something a person would stop to look for if lost.
Morals are also something a society would agree upon as a whole, for the most part, with respect to something that is "right" or "wrong" as if to say that we should be able to logically deduce what the rest of the society would deem an acceptable action.
Sometimes it's hard to seperate the grey areas.
Crossing the street when the stop hand is lit up is something that common sense will deem wrong, as I'm sure everyone can agree it's stupid to cross at that time. There is no moral justification however.
Gay marriage (purely for example purposes) is something that is in that grey area. Some people state it's morally wrong because their church has told them their holy advisor (aka: God) has told them it is wrong. I personally call this blind faith, but within their society, since their rule set states it isn't OK, it's wrong (How they come to this conclusion is unbeknownst to me). Common sense states that it doesn't matter what reproductive organs 2 individuals possess in order for them to fall in love.
Overall I personally believe that morals are just common sense with a religious twist.
Any moral argument can be debated with common sense. The same can't be said for a common sense argument.
TL-DR: Common Sense > Morals
Edit: @MiSSHaku, and others who are unfamiliar with yen: Relative to us westerners, it's about $60
You find 200 dollars on the floor, what do you do? - Rob - 2011-02-05
I'm not sure if you can consider morals obligatorily religious, but yes, I do see your point.