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The leveling just got worse... - Takebacker - 2010-12-11
GunisBack Wrote:42% from 2 paps on 2x as a level 130... Yeah, pomegranate is slow. >.>
Really? That's way more than i would expect from just 2 paps, lmao.
The leveling just got worse... - Sepais - 2010-12-11
All you guys talking about ToT quests is kinda hilarious.. Eventually you finished them all [which I have] and training is EXTREMELY slow.
My % rate per hour is down from 20-25% to 5-7%
The leveling just got worse... - Takebacker - 2010-12-11
ITT: We find out vanilla MS was better than big bang.
Seriously though, big bang was and is faster than pre for KMS. Does that mean nexon should be blamed for it? Probably not...just deal with it until LHC.
The leveling just got worse... - AltCtrlDlt - 2010-12-11
Jamie_Kurosawa Wrote:There was a solution that was viable. NexonAM refused to use it. In fact there are many solutions that are viable.
Let's go through the list shall we?
1. Restore 2x EXP Rep personal buff at minimum. Even 30 minutes every day would be enough to help lessen the grind overall.
2. Put 2x EXP Cards back in the Cash Shop. Raise the price to reflect the new EXP curve such as 5,000 Nx per a 4 hour card, or limit the amount we can purchase in a time frame like a week, but at least give us the option.
3. Readjust the monsters in the highest level areas again to reflect the EXP needed for the players who will be in those areas at the recommended level. There's always room for adjusting things when needed.
4. Un-nerf some bosses but raise the EXP from bosses to make them worth going to. Making bossing worth the effort for anyone. I mean if it's going to chew up a few hundred potions, possibly kill us, and take at least 15 to 30 minutes to accomplish, make them worth going to.
However I did have several Pre-BB questions that never got answered:
1. Why did we get Neo-City which was more favored to lower levels than Neo-Tokyo which was favored for higher levels?
2. Why did we get Kaede Castle at the last possible moment along with Ulu City?
3. Why wasn't Masteria expanded into more for 4th job level players?
4. Nexon said Neo-City 2227 was supposed to be expanded to add more Neo-Tokyo level monsters and bosses, so why hasn't it been expanded past 3 areas with 4 monsters?
Yes, there are many solutions NexonAM could use.
Short answer: NexonAM wants this game to be a time-sink.
Long answer: NexonAM wants this game to be a time-sink.
I don't think I can put this anymore bluntly. The more time you spend playing this game, the better it is for NexonAM. It's really that simple. They don't want you to level fast later on.
The leveling just got worse... - Herborist - 2010-12-11
I find myself loathing the people who believe that BB is somehow bad.
The leveling just got worse... - Super_cyp - 2010-12-11
Soo, basically we have to wait til this 'Lionheart castle' is released to get the full advantage of Big Bang as a high level? Doesn't that sound kinda crappy?
I don't really train anymore.. it bores the crap out of me, sooo I just don't do it. I have noticed it being faster to level as a lower level and I'm happy for that.. means in some ways that the game isn't a complete grind fest until about 110+
Either way, I think it's stupid to use the excuse of waiting for a new training area and say 'IT WILL BE BETTER' even if it is better it doesn't change the fact that people have to wait a month or 2 or longer unless theres proof it's being released in january, All in all with a new update like Big Bang, of course people will be irritated about the low exp rates at higher levels, wouldn't you want to gain a level rather than lose the 30% or so that many people lost..then to discover the rates are still incredibly slow anyway.. It doesn't keep the game the same when each level the exp you need to get rises, and the monsters you train on only give a marginal increase in exp..
People have a right to be irritated no need to take the piss out of them, for having an opinion and being disappointed that the 'Big Bang' isn't all it's cracked up to be.
The leveling just got worse... - Dusk - 2010-12-11
Actually got a chance to test my EXP today, and here are my results:
I timed my EXP by casting MW10, which lasts 7.5 minutes for me. I was training at R5 at level 155, so I had a 10% miss rate on Chief Regrets.
EXP per MW (adjusted for 2x when active): 1.35m
EXP per hour: 10.8m
% EXP per hour: 13.2
(x1.2): 15.8
Pre-BB, spamming Meteor at Skeles without any sort of EXP buff or HS mule
EXP per hour: 18m exp/hr
% EXP per hour: 11.7
(x2): 23.4
So my raw % exp gain is faster post-BB than pre-BB even as a mage, and even with the reduced curve GMS had already. However, the lack of easy access to 2x and 4x makes the real levelling speed much slower. I'm okay with this; I'll wait for LHC.
The leveling just got worse... - RedRaven16 - 2010-12-11
And no one bothers buying the newfangled 1.5x cards
I mean really your complaining that you dont have 2x be quiet and be glad they didn't nerf the cards to 1.2x
probly many typos in ther cus im in a rush
The leveling just got worse... - Dusk - 2010-12-11
RedRaven16 Wrote:And no one bothers buying the newfangled 1.5x cards
I mean really your complaining that you dont have 2x be quiet and be glad they didn't nerf the cards to 1.2x
probly many typos in ther cus im in a rush
What newfangled 1.5x cards? They took out bonus exp cards entirely.
The leveling just got worse... - SwordStaker - 2010-12-11
Dusk Wrote:Actually got a chance to test my EXP today, and here are my results:I would be happy with that. I still find it sad how many people are whining because the exp isn't what they want..This just proves the North American community is beyond spoiled>.>
I timed my EXP by casting MW10, which lasts 7.5 minutes for me. I was training at R5 at level 155, so I had a 10% miss rate on Chief Regrets.
EXP per MW (adjusted for 2x when active): 1.35m
EXP per hour: 10.8m
% EXP per hour: 13.2
(x1.2): 15.8
Pre-BB, spamming Meteor at Skeles without any sort of EXP buff or HS mule
EXP per hour: 18m exp/hr
% EXP per hour: 11.7
(x2): 23.4
So my raw % exp gain is faster post-BB than pre-BB even as a mage, and even with the reduced curve GMS had already. However, the lack of easy access to 2x and 4x makes the real levelling speed much slower. I'm okay with this; I'll wait for LHC.
The leveling just got worse... - Secun - 2010-12-12
SwordStaker Wrote:I would be happy with that. I still find it sad how many people are whining because the exp isn't what they want..This just proves the North American community is beyond spoiled>.>
Don't make me nuke you.
The leveling just got worse... - Random_Overlord - 2010-12-12
Although the experience isn't all that bad, you gotta admit, leveling past 160 is a pain in the ass now.
The leveling just got worse... - Herborist - 2010-12-12
Random_Overlord Wrote:Although the experience isn't all that bad, you gotta admit, leveling past 160 is a pain in the ass now.
"Now"?
The leveling just got worse... - Vaari - 2010-12-12
I've got no experience training past level 130 but the curve greatly favours lower levels whilst punishing the higher levels, say...150 onwards. I agree the difference would be negligible if we took 2x cards out of the equation.
The leveling just got worse... - Kalovale - 2010-12-12
Herborist Wrote:"Now"?
Nitpicking, aren't we? It has been made clear in the garbage that is this thread (thanks to your contribution, no less) that the subject being discussed here is the change from pre-BigBang to post-BigBang regarding leveling difficulties. Even the thread title, despite OP's lack of intention, seems to point towards the change and not the actual levels of difficulty.
I haven't tried for myself the training, though I have a pretty good idea what it'd be like.
I personally don't think it's fair to point your fingers down others' throats trolling sucks to be you just because they relied on 2x cards for training. They are making a point, as much as anyone here is trying to do. Whether it's fair or not, 2x EXP card was still a viable method of training, and compared to pre-BB, if post-BB training is slower with the removal of 2x cards, it is slower with the removal of 2x cards, period. There is nothing wrong with someone accounting for them when making
The leveling just got worse... - Berzerk - 2010-12-12
When I was training on x2 today on my 126 DB, in Leafre because Gallo's is a KS fest, and it felt like how the exp should be. Personally, I dislike having to train more than an hour to level. While there are higher leveled people that are actually complaining about it taking even longer, I do not have that kind of motivation. I feel like x2 cards should still be in the mix, or at least offered to only people above a certain level because it would definitely make things a little bit better. Or just freaking add some more exp to higher leveled stuff.
The leveling just got worse... - sicnarf - 2010-12-12
I just tried my 144 DrK at Dark Cornians. At least 15% an hour (I was chatting simultaneously) on 1x, solo.
The leveling just got worse... - Random_Overlord - 2010-12-12
sicnarf Wrote:I just tried my 144 DrK at Dark Cornians. At least 15% an hour (I was chatting simultaneously) on 1x, solo.
Is that the map before Dragon rider pq?
The leveling just got worse... - sicnarf - 2010-12-12
I've never done Dragon Rider PQ. It's Hidden Tomb II.
The leveling just got worse... - Kojo - 2010-12-12
Getting EXP does feel a bit slower without 2x/4x trading. But I like it though. Now I can train at a decent speed casually without having to buy 2x just to make it feel fast.
By the way, what level range is LHC for?