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[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - SwordStaker - 2010-11-18
JoeTang Wrote:No, the skill was level 10. I don't know why you keep arguing that it's not as bad as it seems. It does about 10k per hit? He could cast two Phantom Imprints in the same amount of time. The first Phantom Imprint would do about 45k. The second would do about 55k. Guess which one is better?Max level 30. Again I'll wait till I see a full maxed out illusion evan 150+ to make my final choice.Plus see it on a boss. If it's any faster than any of the other bossing videos they have then it's better.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - JoeTang - 2010-11-19
SwordStaker Wrote:Max level 30. Again I'll wait till I see a full maxed out illusion evan 150+ to make my final choice.
So what? He would be doing 13k instead of 10k with maxed Illusion. There's no difference in how pomegranatety it is compared to Phantom Imprint. Maxed Illusion is pomegranatety. Leveling won't make that any different. I still can't believe you're arguing this with me. Maxed Illusion does 180%x4. That's 720%. Maxed Phantom Imprint does 660%. I'm pretty damn sure a 60% more damage doesn't make up for the 750ms speed difference.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - donovan - 2010-11-19
Don't know why you need to see a video, there are no hidden attributes to Illusion, the numbers say its weaker, not much else to it.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - SwordStaker - 2010-11-19
JoeTang Wrote:So what? He would be doing 13k instead of 10k with maxed Illusion. There's no difference in how pomegranatety it is compared to Phantom Imprint. Maxed Illusion is pomegranatety. Leveling won't make that any different. I still can't believe you're arguing this with me. Maxed Illusion does 180%x4. That's 720%. Maxed Phantom Imprint does 660%. I'm pretty damn sure a 60% more damage doesn't make up for the 750ms speed difference.I'm not arguing your the one getting defensive. All I'm saying is I'm not making any judgement until I see a full powered Evan compare them.
donovan Wrote:Don't know why you need to see a video, there are no hidden attributes to Illusion, the numbers say its weaker, not much else to it.Numbers aren't everything.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - JoeTang - 2010-11-19
SwordStaker Wrote:Numbers aren't everything.
Numbers are everything.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - donovan - 2010-11-19
JoeTang Wrote:Numbers are everything.
Yea this.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - Kurokisuke - 2010-11-19
any aran vids out yet for reconstruction?
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - donovan - 2010-11-19
Kurokisuke Wrote:any aran vids out yet for reconstruction?
[video=youtube;mPsImJeZNmY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPsImJeZNmY&feature=sub[/video]
not sure if any new skills appear in this.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - SwordStaker - 2010-11-19
JoeTang Wrote:Numbers are everything.No not really. Your whole argument is because this says one thing that means it must suck. Your not thinking logically but instead your thinking "OH BECAUSE THIS SAYS IT IT MUST BE TRUE". Which again is NOT true. You have not seen fully decked out Evan, amazing equips all buffs and then goes bossing with this new skill set up.
EDIT:And again you yet forget this is Tespia and a 99% chance it will be changed.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - donovan - 2010-11-19
SwordStaker Wrote:No not really. Your whole argument is because this says one thing that means it must suck. Your not thinking logically but instead your thinking "OH BECAUSE THIS SAYS IT IT MUST BE TRUE". Which again is NOT true. You have not seen fully decked out Evan, amazing equips all buffs and then goes bossing with this new skill set up.
EDIT:And again you yet forget this is Tespia and a 99% chance it will be changed.
If Illusion is weaker than say Phantom Imprint, even if all your equips are the best, Phantom Imprint is still stronger.
I'm hoping it will change Illusion right now is pretty saddening.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - JoeTang - 2010-11-19
donovan Wrote:[video=youtube;mPsImJeZNmY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPsImJeZNmY&feature=sub[/video]Final Charge and Toss without needing to Triple Swing... *drools*
not sure if any new skills appear in this.
SwordStaker Wrote:No not really. Your whole argument is because this says one thing that means it must suck. Your not thinking logically but instead your thinking "OH BECAUSE THIS SAYS IT IT MUST BE TRUE". Which again is NOT true. You have not seen fully decked out Evan, amazing equips all buffs and then goes bossing with this new skill set up.
EDIT:And again you yet forget this is Tespia and a 99% chance it will be changed.
What the hell are you talking about? What other possible factors could there be to make Illusion any stronger? Phantom Imprint is proven to be 840ms. Illusion is proven to be 1590ms. There are no items in the game that give more damage to one skill than another, except elemental wands.
This is like saying you don't agree that Hurricane is better than Strafe at level 1 until you see it. It's a mathematical proof. If you don't want to accept it, I hope you realise that means you're an idiot.
And it's not about whether they're going to fix it in the future. It sucks now. There's no possible mechanic in the game to disprove this. It just doesn't exist.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - SwordStaker - 2010-11-19
donovan Wrote:If Illusion is weaker than say Phantom Imprint, even if all your equips are the best, Phantom Imprint is still stronger.Again your going off what this says here and a video by a level 12x. Do I say anywhere theres no way in hell Imprint could be better? No I just said your all jumping to conclusions and we have yet to see ANYTHING then maybe 2 crappy little videos from a character barely outside of the 10th growth.
JoeTang Wrote:What the hell are you talking about? What other possible factors could there be to make Illusion any stronger? Phantom Imprint is proven to be 840ms. Illusion is proven to be 1590ms. There are no items in the game that give more damage to one skill than another, except elemental wands.Yes you are an idiot thank you for saying that for me. Your comparing apples and oranges with Strafe and hurricane because theres absolutely NO comparison there. Hurricane is a key down skill and strafe is not and from level 1 hurricane outright destroys strafe. Oh gee I don't know Joe could it be, level, combat orders, equips, INT, buffs etc?
This is like saying you don't agree that Hurricane is better than Strafe at level 1 until you see it. It's a mathematical proof. If you don't want to accept it, I hope you realise that means you're an idiot.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - Kurokisuke - 2010-11-19
donovan Wrote:[video=youtube;mPsImJeZNmY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPsImJeZNmY&feature=sub[/video]
not sure if any new skills appear in this.
Yeah they show the combo up skill, which gave 150 immediate combos and combo judgement, where a giant ice pole arm comes down and hits monsters. pretty decent.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - donovan - 2010-11-19
SwordStaker Wrote:Again your going off what this says here and a video by a level 12x. Do I say anywhere theres no way in hell Imprint could be better? No I just said your all jumping to conclusions and we have yet to see ANYTHING then maybe 2 crappy little videos from a character barely outside of the 10th growth.
I think you're confused, we are not going off the video, we are going off the damage %s.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - Mike - 2010-11-19
What does the letter mean in the video?
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - SwordStaker - 2010-11-19
donovan Wrote:I think you're confused, we are not going off the video, we are going off the damage %s.Yes but the only thing you have to prove that is two little videos of a level 125. Again your not thinking long term. Buffs, levels, equips etc.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - Tikey - 2010-11-19
SwordStaker Wrote:Yes but the only thing you have to prove that is two little videos of a level 125. Again your not thinking long term. Buffs, levels, equips etc.
What exactly are you arguing for here?
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - donovan - 2010-11-19
SwordStaker Wrote:Yes but the only thing you have to prove that is two little videos of a level 125. Again your not thinking long term. Buffs, levels, equips etc.
What are you trying to say, it has nothing to with equips or level or anything DPS is how much damage a skill does in a second, say for example Illusion is 500% DPS and PI is 550% DPS, even if I get the most godly equips availible the damage is still 500% and 550%, as one gets stronger so does the other, there is no way for it surpass Imprint, Buffs don't only affect Illusion they affect Imprint, both skills will increase in damage. (The only exception is Illusion is affected by Combat Orders)
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - SwordStaker - 2010-11-19
Tikey Wrote:What exactly are you arguing for here?I'm not the one getting all butt hurt here. My argument is simple. Just because this says phantom imprint is faster and even though illusion is stronger but slower automatically means imprint is better. All I'm saying is you can't say that from just looking at this you need to see them both in action on one boss with an Evan with all buffs and equips. THEN you can make your final comparison.
donovan Wrote:What are you trying to say, it has nothing to with equips or level or anything DPS is how much damage a skill does in a second, say for example Illusion is 500% DPS and PI is 550% DPS, even if I get the most godly equips availible the damage is still 500% and 550%, as one gets stronger so does the other, there is no way for it surpass Imprint, Buffs don't only affect Illusion they affect Imprint, both skills will increase in damage. (The only exception is Illusion is affected by Combat Orders)Clearly your misunderstanding me. All I'm saying is we have yet to see it in action with every buff possible an Evan can use so stop jumping to conclusions and by looking at this that automatically means PI is better just because it's a little bit faster.
[Module] The Restructuring | Aran/Evan skills - 66alex66 - 2010-11-19
SwordStaker Wrote:Hurricane is a key down skill and strafe is not and from level 1 hurricane outright destroys strafe.
Uhm what?