IllegallySane Wrote:Can't believe I missed this one. You're questioning the physics of arrows firing up, in a fantasy game? I think I hear a dozen cat girls just die.

Bubu Wrote:and only do 60% base dmg, not do 60%l dmg!

Dusk Wrote:BoT has a larger range than Steal in both directions.

Devil Wrote:But only a shietty 150% range to trigger that AoE splash damage, which sux balls if you combine it with Bstep which has a 300% range. You'll have to experience it for yourself (play a shadower) to know what I mean.

Dusk Wrote:Oops, BoT has a 220% (initial hit) range. You'll have to experience it for yourself (play a post-BB shadower) to know what I mean.

Or watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjDGskE1Bcc&feature=related

Steal sucks.

Not sure what the total AoE range is but it beats the hell out of Steal.

Devil Wrote:Hmmm... first time that number got posted on southperry.net, it seems indeed they made BoT a total AoE skill, instead of an Arrow Bomb like sucky skill. Trigger range = Attack range now, about time they finally fixed that... but it's only 220% range forward... o.0

Hmmm... Well it still sux (30% less range) in area's with large mobs (Time Temple / Lionheart Castle) that attack you from far away, besides that, BoT unstuns, rendering Bstep's stun useless, which sux now you have FJump (after BB), so you don't need to gather monsters anymore (with BoT destunner) to finish when they're closer together).

BoT still sux!!! Steal FTW!!! Hehe

Edit: Bstep+Steal (keep them stunned) with ME finisher seems best attack for me. ME is really usefull now (does high damage with PP drops).

Dusk Wrote:Dude, you can spam Step now. Steal does nothing Step can't do. I don't think this is going anywhere because you're either misinformed or confusing pre-BB information with post-BB information.

Dusk Wrote:Fiel posted them a while back and I copied them to my skill tables. I guess there is a delay to Boomerang Step but it's almost nothing, and considering Step does over twice the damage of both BoT and Steal, there's no reason to use Steal if you're interested in keeping monsters stunned (which really doesn't matter with the godly avoid Shadowers have).

JoeTang Wrote:Once again, another thread where Devil does math wrong.

First of all, the passive bonus from Boomerang Step to Steal, Assaulter, and Savage Blow is a multiplier. Maxed Steal with maxed Boomerang Step does 390% damage.
Second, Steal is terribly pomegranatety. The only possible use it has is if you want to Steal something. The Stun rate is the same as the Steal Rate, I swear to God. It's horribly unreliable, and it will unstun monsters if it does not proc its own stun.
Third, Band of Thieves' activation range is perfectly fine. If you have trouble activating it on monsters, you're doing it wrong.
Presonally, I think the most efficient way to use ME is to lure with Band of Thieves, and the Savage Blow once or twice. Steal is pretty garbage. It does have its uses, but DPS is not one of them.

I have no idea where you got that new 900ms delay from, but at the speed cap, Boomerang Step still has about 1110ms Delay. I'm fairly sure weapon speed doesn't even reduce this delay, because I recall testing it two days ago without Booster, and retesting it now yields the same result.

Meso Explosion is retardedly hard to use. Its range for picking mesos to blow up is retardedly huge, and it chooses them in the order they drop, so if you kill a monster behind you and it leaves some coins, and you want to ME monsters in front of you with new coins, you'll have to blow the old ones up first. It takes a lot more strategic planning, and memory as to what dropped first, and it's well not worth the time to lure slow monsters into old piles of coins.

Also, where the fuck did you get 6000% per second from Meso Explosion from? It does 240% per coin with maxed Greed, that's only 2400% per explosion.

JoeTang Wrote:Meso Explosion does 1 Hit per coin. You can only explode 15 coins (hence 15 max hits). It does its damage based on your damage range. My max damage is 3871. Maxed Greed gives 60% more damage to Meso Explosion, which apparently makes it do 1.6x more damage. Therefore, I can do up to 11148 before defense. I've seen some 10ks. If it were only +60%, I'd only do 240%, which my max is just barely under 9.3k, which the above contradicts. There appears to be some other factor contributing to the lower minimum damage. Likely, Mastery does not affect it is all.

Devil Wrote:- ME base: 180% per hit (coin)
- 15 explodes per ME use
- 10 monsters (can) get hit per ME use
- Greed multiplies damage by 1.6x
- Big Bang Criticals = 5% chance with 50% dmg
- Explorer 10% Critical Ring
- Meso explosion 750ms

JoeTang Wrote:Well hell. I can explode 15 Coins. The skill says 15 hits. But I can only ever see 10 hits. I have no idea what the truth is behind this.