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[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Dusk - 2010-10-12
66alex66 Wrote:They might be using absolute values since there are no reports of people gaining MP while using Snipe during a boss run.
I hate to say this, but you guys assume that KMS players report every minor finding on these forums. Most of them just...play the game.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Threepea - 2010-10-12
Dusk Wrote:Who's assuming here? Defense is PDrate. All four of the things you said can be described as ignoring 20% defense. I didn't specify what the mechanics of defense ignore were.
The description for Combat Orders says you can't break the cap on 1st/2nd/3rd job skills.
Fixed Ground Smash and Dragon Judgment, will update when I'm done with DrK and Magician 1st job. They were messed up because I forgot to change a number to a variable. Much like Nexon forgot to change Sacrifice's damage to a variable.
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Good job, Dusk. You are right, we can't break the cap on 1st/2nd/3rd job skills via Combat Order. I will post my screenshot later to prove this.
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[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Signal - 2010-10-12
I thought CO only worked with 4th job skills. So you are saying CO gives +2 to every skill but will only break level cap for 4th job skills?
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Threepea - 2010-10-12
Signal Wrote:I thought CO only worked with 4th job skills. So you are saying CO gives +2 to every skill but will only break level cap for 4th job skills?
It does. But you have to add 1 SP to that skill at least. If the skill level is 0, the Combat Order can't increase it to level 2.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Sorien - 2010-10-13
Threepea Wrote:It does. But you have to add 1 SP to that skill at least. If the skill level is 0, the Combat Order can't increase it to level 2.
So does that mean I can leave all of my paladin's skills, excluding those that are required for later skills, at 2 points under their max and still be alright? If so then that's pretty awesome!
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - 0^2 - 2010-10-13
Youre dam right thats awesome. That allows a White Knight to "max" all their skills too.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Shidoshi - 2010-10-14
Signal Wrote:I thought CO only worked with 4th job skills.
Threepea Wrote:It does.
0^2 Wrote:Youre dam right thats awesome. That allows a White Knight to "max" all their skills too.
So no, only to 4th job.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - 0^2 - 2010-10-14
Combat Orders
Temporarily increase the skill levels of all party members. Only skills from the final job advancement can be increased beyond the mastery level.
Does not affect the level of beginner skills and Combat Orders.
Unless i see some evidence that this for some strange reason wouldnt effect 3rd job skills at all ill go with the notion that it does.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - CarrionCrow - 2010-10-14
0^2 Wrote:Combat Orders
Temporarily increase the skill levels of all party members. Only skills from the final job advancement can be increased beyond the mastery level.
Does not affect the level of beginner skills and Combat Orders.
Unless i see some evidence that this for some strange reason wouldnt effect 3rd job skills at all ill go with the notion that it does.
O_O. You even said it yourself. Surpass the max in 4th job (meaning it can raise skills to 32) but raises it no higher than max in the rest of the jobs except beginner skills where it won't do squat.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - SaptaZapta - 2010-10-14
So it affects 3rd jobs skills, as long as they're not maxed. Hence, a WK can leave his skills at level 8/18/28 and rely on CO to give him the remaining levels.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - CarrionCrow - 2010-10-14
SaptaZapta Wrote:So it affects 3rd jobs skills, as long as they're not maxed. Hence, a WK can leave his skills at level 8/18/28 and rely on CO to give him the remaining levels.
Since you can't put points in earlier jobs once you advance it seems kind of pointless.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Takebacker - 2010-10-14
CarrionCrow Wrote:Since you can't put points in earlier jobs once you advance it seems kind of pointless.
Anyone want to prove this is the case for adventurers? I've only ever seen this hold true for RESISTANCE characters, not adventurers.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Dusk - 2010-10-14
Takebacker Wrote:Anyone want to prove this is the case for adventurers? I've only ever seen this hold true for RESISTANCE characters, not adventurers.
I haven't tried it, but the orange button next to Iron Body still lights up on my Spearman.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Takebacker - 2010-10-14
Dusk Wrote:I haven't tried it, but the orange button next to Iron Body still lights up on my Spearman.
Nothing like that on the battle mage. Adventurers can add SP to previous jobs and resistance can't, then.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - CarrionCrow - 2010-10-14
Oh hmm. I was sure I saw it somewhere. Can't find the source so I might be off.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Trust - 2010-10-14
Sorry if it didn't read the whole thread/used search and stuff and if this seems like a silly question, but i saw that star expertise affects a %age of dmg increase for lucky 7 and shadow meso. Does that mean it doesnt increase triple throw damage? Or is triple throw the same formula as lucky 7 with an extra star so it gets the damage increase too? >.<
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Dusk - 2010-10-14
Trust Wrote:Sorry if it didn't read the whole thread/used search and stuff and if this seems like a silly question, but i saw that star expertise affects a %age of dmg increase for lucky 7 and shadow meso. Does that mean it doesnt increase triple throw damage? Or is triple throw the same formula as lucky 7 with an extra star so it gets the damage increase too? >.<
Star Expertise is a Improved Fundamentals-like skill that boosts the damage of 1st-3rd job skills. It doesn't affect TT's damage. Also, Lucky 7 does not have its own damage formula.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Takebacker - 2010-10-14
Dusk Wrote:Star Expertise is a Improved Fundamentals-like skill that boosts the damage of 1st-3rd job skills. It doesn't affect TT's damage. Also, Lucky 7 does not have its own damage formula.
The question was kind of strange until i looked deeper, but it's a 4th job skill so does it buff L7 to make it more even with TT or something? Does nexon think that stars (or lack thereof) are actually a problem?
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Dusk - 2010-10-14
Takebacker Wrote:The question was kind of strange until i looked deeper, but it's a 4th job skill so does it buff L7 to make it more even with TT or something? Does nexon think that stars (or lack thereof) are actually a problem?
It buffs the damage of Drain, Venom, Avenger, and Shadow Meso. They probably just threw in Lucky Seven for consistency.
Lucky Seven with Maxed Star Expertise still does less damage than Lv. 1 Triple Throw, so yeah, maybe they think people would use L7 occasionally to save stars. Who knows, NL skills have always been poorly designed. They seem to have trouble designing anything beyond jump and throw stars.
[Big Bang] Adventurer Skill Tables/Notes - Takebacker - 2010-10-14
Dusk Wrote:consistency.
But that isn't relevant because L7 isn't relevant. D: