Herborist Wrote:Just thought you might all like to see this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3whlm7vACA

Neothisis Wrote:[COLOR="orange"]I spy with my little eye...a baby Bandit that 2HKOs with Steal and OHKOs with SB...
He needs to train somewhere better. And make use of SB.
Liking the Shad vid. =D
That end part where he Assaultered the Pap to death was orgasmic.[/COLOR]

Herborist Wrote:Steal hits 4 targets, so if he can kill 4 with 2 hits of steal and 2 with 2 hits of SB, then steal is twice as fast. Those drakes aren't the same drakes we have - their exp and hp has been boosted and I can't make out what kind of exp he's getting, but I assume it's a good spot with all that spawn.

Dusk Wrote:What spawn? Steal doesn't make training any faster in a spot like that. There were hardly any points in the video where you could line 4 drakes up for Steal. Anyway, already been over this. Obviously having Steal > not having Steal, but there isn't a single place you can train where you can consistently hit 4 targets over and over again. It's not going to double your training speed. A mob skill outdamages a single target skill in one use. Duh.

2nd job is fast as hell as it is, I'm not sure why you're still stuck on needing it to be faster.

Herborist Wrote:This forum is the only place - and I do mean only, I've been to all the forums in my 5 years playing - that considers 2nd job bandits to be anything but grueling treks. I don't know what's going on, but bandits are hard to train. They just are. KMS even made everyone's 1st and 2nd job skills mob - even magic claw - because of this. So I'm not going to bother arguing anymore and instead my response will be "Steal is faster." to anything that even hints otherwise.

Dusk Wrote:Forums like Basil are full of people who've never made it to 3rd job and people who don't have any idea how to build their characters. You're the only person here that seems to find it hard. If you're going to go back to 5 years ago, when we didn't have proper places to spam mob skills, then Bandits just get even better. At places like Zombies, Lusters, STDs, it's simply faster to run through 1hkoing everything than to gather mobs and beat them down in 2-3 hits. Bandits were considered one of the fastest trainers before we got spam spots like MP3, and they're still in the middle of the pack without Steal.

Anyway, with the new exp curve it should be possible to reach 70 in only a couple dozen hours of playtime. It's not that important.

Dusk Wrote:This is the most unproductive discussion ever. You enjoy maxing Steal and shaving an hour of training time off 2nd job and having to recast Booster twice as often. I already have a CB and could care less.

Herborist Wrote:Most other jobs have mob skills, which is faster training; as if it wasn't enough for normal training, it's also faster in CPQ.

Loose Wrote:4 - 5 Chief Bandits and Shadowers in this thread agree, Savage Blow is better than Steal for 2nd job training.

Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Good luck lining up four Rombots in room 5/6 to use Steal on.

Loose Wrote:The problem is that the skill points are limited. It's either low Steal and max Booster or low Booster and max Steal.

I don't see a point in sacrificing a long life friend (Booster), for some chick (Steal) that'll get dumped in a couple of hours because I'll meet her attractive, sexy cousin (Band of Thieves). Boomerang Step is just her lesbian friend (who is also quite hot) that wants to join in on the threesome.

Herborist Wrote:3/4 is the best room, and I can line up 4 - 6 there usually. Why are all of your training suggestions outdated?



You can get low level steal, it's still worth it, especially at CPQ. And again, by that logic, skip everything besides boomerang step because everything else is directly inferior.

Dusk Wrote:And once again, you are ignoring the fact that you need to drop 9 points from Steal to max Booster, whereas BoT can be maxed without any drawbacks. No one said Steal is entirely useless. Our argument is that it's not "worth it." BoT is also faster than Step and useable in midair, so no, it's not directly inferior.

Herborist Wrote:What would you use those 9 points on otherwise? Endure? Ha!

You're being contrary for the sake of arguing now.

Herborist Wrote:3/4 is the best room, and I can line up 4 - 6 there usually. Why are all of your training suggestions outdated?

Dusk Wrote:What's Endure? There's a skill called Booster that boosts your attack speed by -2 for 200 seconds if you max it.

And yes, if Endure existed, I would max it over Steal.

Rayquaza2233 Wrote:My bandit was second job two years ago. By the way, most of my training suggestions still work.