Jormungandr Wrote:So many bad Xeraths during free week...

>Pineapple' Wrote:Q is pretty easy to land when they're stunned. And we already established the opponent either loses farm or takes damage pre-6 (and post)

FenixR Wrote:We are talking about pre 6 so Q its not easy to land yet, and yes they MAY take damage or farm remember that little thing called CD? Or in the worst cases spent mana?

raizoo Wrote:Lvl20 and 12k IP, wee. Should I grab any of the Christmas quints?

KajitiSouls Wrote:It's a bit early for you to be grabbing T3 runes, but they ARE discount runes with the same effects =/ Assuming things don't change with how Riot does their events, it's going to be a very long time before another opportunity like this arises again.

raizoo Wrote:Yeah, the reason I want them is because they're discounted.

And Movespeed and HP are the ones I'd grab anyway. Just dunno if I wanna grab them at all....

 Going to beat myself over this once-a-opportunity game for having epic fail map awareness

SolicShooter Wrote:I've never had problems with a Xerath mid if I were Lux or Morgana going mid. Morgana outsustains him badly, black shields the stun to juke his skill shots more potentially, is better suited to evade ganks, has a decent burst combo herself and she can push the with her pool to make him waste some mana on creeps trying to last hit at tower. Lux has a superior poking skill that is easier to land in my opinion is more gank resistant with her shield and longer cc skill that doesn't require a set-up, has similar burst potential again. Xeraths range is only something to fear late game when he has a lot of points in his stance and he doesn't have it on a cd of like 20 seconds. I've always seen his laning as kind of mediocre as his q is very dodgeable if you just keep moving horizontally, he needs a good amount of mana regen, he's very gankable as he relies on a set-up stun and he has no innate sustain. He might do better against other casters, but these are my favourites and I don't really care about the others.

>Pineapple' Wrote:So you concede they'll lose farm and xerath won't. Okay. They'll also lose health while xerath won't. Eventually you get enough advantage to take their tower or kill them or both. Aka winning the lane.

KajitiSouls Wrote:Pros don't spam unnecessarily. And I know how his spells work bro.

Unless the opposition is helping himself to early survivability or has an innate sustain, you can drain his HP by punishing his efforts at farming pre-6 and push him out of lane.

FenixR Wrote:Thats why i said that lack of mana its the worst case scenario, there is still the case where you can bait his Q and you will have 4-8secs to last hit.

KajitiSouls Wrote:To cause the worst case scenario for Xerath is to push him at his tower and force him to lose last-hits (this is prone to ganks unfortunately)

FenixR Wrote:Well you are only prone to ganks if you follow the your minions to the enemy turret like a moron, with my few games with morde i usually push hard enough for the minions to keep going on their own and fall back if i dont have wards around, and if i go back and the enemy stay there eating minion fire so they wont go to the tower, they will get hit hard especially in low levels so if they pineapple up too much with low health thats either a kill to you, or a free lane for 20secs or so.

KajitiSouls Wrote:You could be halfway down the lane and still get ganked and die. It doesn't even have to be the jungler/roamer to initiate the gank.