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Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - iVege - 2014-02-23
Lozmaster Wrote:There was no reason to assume Kyoka was a fighter in the first place.
She already has extremely useful magic powers (or curses if it really matters) in that she was able to revive the other members after death, is able to forcibly turn people into demons, and modify peoples sensation to pain (and possibly other feelings).
Yes there was, but nothing's wrong if she's not. If she's not a fighter, I can accept her lacking performance.
Though the fact that Jackal and Franmalth were failures (at battle) as well (and maybe Tempesta) really lowers my opinion on the power of Tartaros. Only Silver seems threatening so far. Not sure about Sayla.
Lozmaster Wrote:In fact, that last one is why I don't care too much. Ok, yeah, she was making erza scream in pain when she was hitting her with a whip.
But so what? Kyoukas magic means that even superficial damage would cause her to react like that, and getting whipped a bit for the person who routinely takes the most punishment (For instance, way back in the shadow lord arc, Tanking an entire hit from Jupiter herself that would have destroyed the entire town, then fighting the 3rd strongest member of a guild and then the master, or the grimore heart arc where she fought Meredy, Asuma (including taking 2x his terra chrymals and being the only person to win a fight without the magic boost provided by the tenrou tree), or beating all 100 of those monsters in the GMG when the strongest alone was supposed to defeat a wizard saint) in the series is seriously selling her short.
Not disagreeing with you, but she tanked Jupiter with the Adamantine Armour, but was whipped by Kyouka naked. I daresay most of her durability comes from her armour anyway, so her reacting strongly to pain enhancement despite being a tank doesn't mean much since she's not wearing anything. Of course, she's still taken damaging hits without armour or with weaker armour, so it's undeniable that her durability is high.
About her fight against Azuma, I don't think the tree gave Fairy Tail members a magic boost? I thought it just stopped them from dying or being in a deathly state. Erza uses the tree's power to defeat Azuma near the end of their fight irrc. Everyone says that the fight was BS and "nakama-power-driven", and that Azuma should've won, but I felt that it was perfectly justified. Azuma wouldn't have been as strong as he was without the nakama-tree, and the control of the tree simply shifted near the end of the fight. Yes, it shifted because of nakama-power, but the tree was nakama-power, and Azuma was using it before Erza did.
Apparently the Nakagami Armour against Minerva was BS as well, but I also have my justification for that.
I have my doubts about that Wizard Saint claim (and I'm sure Jura does as well, judging from his reaction).
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - byakugan - 2014-02-25
iVege Wrote:Apparently the Nakagami Armour against Minerva was BS as well, but I also have my justification for that.
I give you the Azuma fight. Indeed the tree was full of the power of TF mages and that she could use it kind of makes sense or can be understandable, but you can't justify how Erza won against Minerva. She had a fucking broken leg and she had been beaten to a pulp by Kagura, which was then beaten to a pulp by Minerva, logically making Minerva stronger than Kagura.
When Erza said she had second origin unlocked from long ago, I thought she was constantly using it and that was the reason to her superiority over most of her oponents, not that she had never even tried using it because she didn't need to. That's total bullshit right there.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - KhainiWest - 2014-02-25
The tree did give fairy tail a power boost, some sacred fairy magic or something that blesses though with the fairytail emblem
Its kind of ridiculous how strong fairytail actually is. They beat the tournament with no real training but with second origin, with that ridiculous time skip, it put them on par with the other guilds. Imagine if we didn't have that jump, fairytail would probably be strong enough to solo all those dragons, including the one that defeated them to begin with.
Also it pisses me off how much a blatant rip off gildarts is to shanks in one piece
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2014-02-25
byakugan Wrote:I give you the Azuma fight. Indeed the tree was full of the power of TF mages and that she could use it kind of makes sense or can be understandable, but you can't justify how Erza won against Minerva. She had a pineappleing broken leg and she had been beaten to a pulp by Kagura, which was then beaten to a pulp by Minerva, logically making Minerva stronger than Kagura.
When Erza said she had second origin unlocked from long ago, I thought she was constantly using it and that was the reason to her superiority over most of her oponents, not that she had never even tried using it because she didn't need to. That's total bullpomegranate right there.
I don't remember her ever saying that. When did it happen?
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - KhainiWest - 2014-02-25
Lozmaster Wrote:I don't remember her ever saying that. When did it happen?
When natsu got his unlocked erza I believe said she didn't need it
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2014-02-25
KhainiWest Wrote:When natsu got his unlocked erza I believe said she didn't need it
No, that definitely didn't happen. People jumped to conclusions because it didn't hurt her nearly as much (Everyone else was writhing in pain, she just shrugged it off, confusing ultear. Oh hey, another point for her having ridiculous pain tolerence). Obviously she did get second origin at the same time.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - byakugan - 2014-02-25
Lozmaster Wrote:No, that definitely didn't happen. People jumped to conclusions because it didn't hurt her nearly as much (Everyone else was writhing in pain, she just shrugged it off, confusing ultear. Oh hey, another point for her having ridiculous pain tolerence). Obviously she did get second origin at the same time.
I checked again and seems i got my memories messsed up:
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v31/c264/18.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v31/c265/4.html
It was actually Gray that mentioned the posibility of Erza having second origin activated form the start, but it can be said that the theory is reaffirmed by the fact everyone had marks of the arc of time spell over their bodies and Erza didn't in any of all the skin showing. The line Ultear said in the second link might be a misstranslation from MS. Anyway even though it can be debated, the way Erza beat Minerva with a whole wounded body cant.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - iVege - 2014-02-28
Mirajane panel gave me chills.
But is that it? Is escaping capture all her Satan Soul will play a part it?
Meanwhile, I expect little from Keith simply because his opponents are Wendy and Lucy. I hope he proves me wrong.
Oh, and Heat Blade was destroyed. I guess its only purpose was to save Natsu his arm lol.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Takebacker - 2014-02-28
Yeah i was disappointed to see the sword break. Such potential wasted.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2014-02-28
iVege Wrote:Meanwhile, I expect little from Keith simply because his opponents are Wendy and Lucy. I hope he proves me wrong.
Both wendy and lucy have some pretty strong spells now, Shattered Light: sky Drill and Urano Metoria are quite destructive (only they both got screwed last time they tried using the spells).
And oh holy pomegranate.New theory that I'm betting on.
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Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Takebacker - 2014-02-28
Lozmaster Wrote:Both wendy and lucy have some pretty strong spells now, Shattered Light: sky Drill and Urano Metoria are quite destructive (only they both got screwed last time they tried using the spells).
And oh holy pomegranate.New theory that I'm betting on.
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Veeeeeery interesting.
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Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - byakugan - 2014-02-28
Lozmaster Wrote:Both wendy and lucy have some pretty strong spells now, Shattered Light: sky Drill and Urano Metoria are quite destructive (only they both got screwed last time they tried using the spells).
And oh holy pomegranate.New theory that I'm betting on.
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I came here to post the same things after reading it in Manga Stream but I'm impressed to realize there's more evidence to back this theory up...
...But now that I've read this I'd be disappointed if it turned out exactly like it so I hope MAshima is paying attention to the theories generating around and twists it for the better.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2014-03-01
byakugan Wrote:I came here to post the same things after reading it in Manga Stream but I'm impressed to realize there's more evidence to back this theory up...
...But now that I've read this I'd be disappointed if it turned out exactly like it so I hope MAshima is paying attention to the theories generating around and twists it for the better.
I doubt he's going to change it if it is right just because some people guessed it on the internet. That is, after all, the entire point of dropping hints to the truth. It's not like it's one piece where things just happen with no explanation until they do, and no way to seriously guess whats next.
And when you compare natsus demon impression in edolas
http://www.mangareader.net/135-56738-11/fairy-tail/chapter-196.html
To the silhouette shown when the Jade Dragon Zirconis talking about acnologias human form...
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/301/15
It's reasonably similar. And he ends his sentence just before disappearing by saying "Because of you, I was...". Later on, here, http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/353/13
Atlas flame disappears just after remembering saying "I remember everything! Zeref, Acnologia,Igneel, 400 years ago, igneel was unable to destroy E.N.D.!" and then his spirit disappears, just like Zirconis did.
It seems a little too convenient that both dragon spirits disappear just before they could tentatively have been about to reveal that natsu was E.N.D. (or acnologia, or both?)
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - byakugan - 2014-03-03
I'd like to think that Acnologia and END are two different entities because if so there's room for one more final villain before the series ends, one which even Zeref could help defeat in some way (remember even Zeref seems to fear Acnologia)
Acnologia was born from simply abusng his dragon slayer magic to kill all dragons, not as a demon of Zeref (or at least thats all we know of it so far).
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - iVege - 2014-03-07
Like some people are guessing, Franmalth's strongest soul is Hades? Someone compared him to this.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - byakugan - 2014-03-07
First person that came to my mind was Simon... If it was Hades Natsu could just go lightning fire mode and beat him just the same way he already did.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - KhainiWest - 2014-03-07
byakugan Wrote:First person that came to my mind was Simon... If it was Hades Natsu could just go lightning fire mode and beat him just the same way he already did.
It's more likely hades and they're freaked out that he's dead, even though he was a villain, he was one of FT"s masters at one point so I can see why that's freaking them out.
Also natsu wouldn't have won if his heart wasn't destroyed, so theres that
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2014-03-08
KhainiWest Wrote:Also natsu wouldn't have won if his heart wasn't destroyed, so theres that
And if he hadn't had his heart auto protecting (healing?) him from any attacks (like franmalth won't...), he would have lost a lot sooner.
byakugan Wrote:First person that came to my mind was Simon... If it was Hades Natsu could just go lightning fire mode and beat him just the same way he already did.But it doesn't look anything like Simon...
And it's not quite that straightforward. It took natsu,grey,erza, wendy, lucy and laxus to beat hades the first time. Not just fire/lightning mode natsu. Hades was pretty much cheating at the time though, essentially being invunerable to all attacks and had his magic strengthened by his "Devils heart" that (same effect of the tenrou tree had on the fairy tail members, it boosted his magic power significantly).
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - iVege - 2014-03-14
Actually laughed out loud at the Master Hades "reveal", especially since he looked normal the page before from what we saw of him.
Franmalth is performing okay, I guess. Why didn't he absorb Natsu's fireballs earlier, though? Unless he has a cooldown or something.
Looks like Natsu's still standing after using Lightning Flame Dragon's Roar. Not sure if it's Second Origin or did it get smaller in scale again?
Sayla fights with books lol. And Mirajane gets smacked in the face with one. Sayla looks pretty roughed up too, so don't know what Lisanna means about Mirajane not touching her. Hmm... disappointed with Mirajane's showing though. Unlike Natsu and Erza, who have great winning records, and therefore I have no problem with having problems, Mirajane really needed some spotlight here. Her comeback will probably just involve some kind of new form of Satan Soul or Sitri anyway...
Kyoka's only been using physical attacks and body modification? She must be mighty fast to be holding off Erza, then.
Ezel is a genie!
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Takebacker - 2014-03-14
iVege Wrote:Franmalth is performing okay, I guess. Why didn't he absorb Natsu's fireballs earlier, though? Unless he has a cooldown or something.
Maybe he was just holding out until he used a stronger attack