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Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - FenixR - 2011-12-06
WillDaSnail Wrote:Cool story bro. Tell it again. Expect a giant ass jungle Cho in your face soon™.
(In other words, expect much more from me than betting on me to play Amumu. I have more choices, ya know?)
Someone can always steal cho from you, you know?
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - lorx - 2011-12-06
Corn Wrote:Sorry dude but I'm going to pick Cho'Gath first...at top lane
JUST AS PLANNED.
lorx, what's your ign?
Lorx.
I started back around the official release, so I managed to grab my usual name
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - Dark Link - 2011-12-07
http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=5456234#5456234
Quote:As for Atmogs, warmogs is getting a small nerf next patch which should help this.
Dun dun dun...
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - Connor - 2011-12-07
Okay finished 10 ranked games and I am sitting at an even 5 wins 5 losses lol :l I win whenever my team doesn't have a leaver or someone who just plain sucks.
10th and most recent game though was pretty fun. Needed a jungler and a tank so I grabbed good old Rammus even though I don't play him that often. Bot was getting beat up pretty badly and Graves/Sona already had several kills against our Teemo/Lux. So I repeatedly ganked them and fixed up the lanes. Nasus got to free farm top and Morgana free farmed mid so they were in good shape by the time mid and late game came around. Overall pretty satisfying game and I love how Rammus can turn the tides of the match so early on like that.
Anyway, sitting at 1241 elo now. Hopefully I can bring my wins farther ahead of my losses and reach bronze.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - WillDaSnail - 2011-12-07
Dark Link Wrote:http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=5456234#5456234
Dun dun dun...
Lol GG tanky deeps
Also, loled a bit about how Denyplank was OP because he could deny with Raise Morale. Then again...no other champ could deny, which isn't fair lol
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - lorx - 2011-12-07
WillDaSnail Wrote:Also, loled a bit about how Denyplank was OP because he could deny with Raise Morale. Then again...no other champ could deny, which isn't fair lol
The group I play with had a huge discussion about this a while back. The conclusion we came to was that Jewplank was not OP, but that he was broken, and that there was a definite difference between those two words (kind of in a "newb" vs "noob" sort of fashion?). Kind of the same problem Tryndamere has right now. Is he OP? Nah, if you have the right setup he can be countered more or less, which means you should never really have a huge tryn problem in a ranked game where he isn't banned (one of those "once every other full moon" things), but he does have a rather broken mechanic to him. He doesn't really work right, I guess is a way to put it. Only two champions have ever been OP & Broken at the same time in my opinion. Twisted Fate and Le Blanc.
Dark Link Wrote:http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=5456234#5456234
Quote:As for Atmogs, warmogs is getting a small nerf next patch which should help this.
Dun dun dun...
It won't help, the champions will go Fromogs instead of Atmogs. Difference of ~200hp, you lose the regen but gain an amazing slow, and the HP loss is worth 4ad from Atma's while Frozen Mallet gives a straight 20ad on top of the HP/slow. Tad more expensive but it'll work just fine, many players already do this on specific champions (Olaf's a common one). If Riot wanted to fix the complete Atmogs problem they would have to remove Atma's altogether, much like how they "fixed" Udyr and Sona by removing Innervating Locket.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - Phoenix Wright - 2011-12-07
lorx Wrote:It won't help, the champions will go Fromogs instead of Atmogs. Difference of ~200hp, you lose the regen but gain an amazing slow, and the HP loss is worth 4ad from Atma's while Frozen Mallet gives a straight 20ad on top of the HP/slow. Tad more expensive but it'll work just fine, many players already do this on specific champions (Olaf's a common one). If Riot wanted to fix the complete Atmogs problem they would have to remove Atma's altogether, much like how they "fixed" Udyr and Sona by removing Innervating Locket.
Difference of 200 HP..definitely not. Frozen Mallet gives 700 HP and a completely unfarmed Warmogs gives 920 HP. A fully stacked Warmogs gives 1,370.
By going Fratma's instead of Atmog's, you're losing out on a potential 670 health and some mediocre HP5 in exchange for about 6.6 more AD and the slowing effect.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - lorx - 2011-12-07
Phoenix Wright Wrote:Difference of 200 HP..definitely not. Frozen Mallet gives 700 HP and a completely unfarmed Warmogs gives 920 HP. A fully stacked Warmogs gives 1,370.
By going Fratma's instead of Atmog's, you're losing out on a potential 670 health and some mediocre HP5 in exchange for about 6.6 more AD and the slowing effect.
Woop, I was totally not thinking straight and forgot that it's 920+450, not 470+450. That's what I get for not double checking. Heck I even said Fromogs, which isn't even right.
Point still stands though, Fratma's is still viable, and unless Warmogs is blasted into bad-tier (again), it'll still be viable to do as well. To actually kill Atmogs you'd have to either remove Atmas, or make atmas/HP items suck.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - Five Second Pose - 2011-12-07
I think they should Shen passive it and give it some base AD and have it scale only on bonus HP at a lower percentage (ok, so it's not exactly like the Ki Strike change)
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - FenixR - 2011-12-07
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:I think they should Shen passive it and give it some base AD and have it scale only on bonus HP at a lower percentage (ok, so it's not exactly like the Ki Strike change)
It either Scale on bonus Hp only or a lower percentage, if you give it both you will make the item beyond useless.
Also giving it base AD would mean changing the recipe making it more expensive or removing the crit chance or armor for the AD.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - Five Second Pose - 2011-12-07
FenixR Wrote:Also giving it base AD would mean changing the recipe making it more expensive or removing the crit chance or armor for the AD.
That is what I was aiming for, yes.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - Aynia - 2011-12-07
Denyplank was OP because he could manipulate his lane to constantly be pushed near his tower, effectively zoning ANYONE.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - lorx - 2011-12-07
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:I think they should Shen passive it and give it some base AD and have it scale only on bonus HP at a lower percentage (ok, so it's not exactly like the Ki Strike change)
That would work if Riot did it right. Problem is if they mess it up the fine-tuning then it'll be a dead item. ('actual') Tanks don't want it either way and if it's too expensive for the AD nobody else will buy it, which granted I'd be fine with, but it still would technically be an issue. They could not budge it's scaling, but give it a hardcap on just how much AD you can gain, which would probably work too.
I really want to go find that riotpost where the dev basically just says "atmas and vlad were both incredibly bad ideas, we're sorry they're are in the game".
Also come to think of it, is Shen in badland currently? I rarely see anybody play him, and when he' picked any pubs in the vicinity whine about it.
Aynia Wrote:Denyplank was OP because he could manipulate his lane to constantly be pushed near his tower, effectively zoning ANYONE.
OP means overpowered, which was arguable with just how bad he was at, well, everything else. There's a difference between OP and Broken. Denyplank had a mechanic that shouldn't have been setup as it should, and it caused gameplay issues. It's like a textbook case of being Broken is.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - Aynia - 2011-12-07
lorx Wrote:That would work if Riot did it right. Problem is if they mess it up the fine-tuning then it'll be a dead item. ('actual') Tanks don't want it either way and if it's too expensive for the AD nobody else will buy it, which granted I'd be fine with, but it still would technically be an issue. They could not budge it's scaling, but give it a hardcap on just how much AD you can gain, which would probably work too.
I really want to go find that riotpost where the dev basically just says "atmas and vlad were both incredibly bad ideas, we're sorry they're are in the game".
Also come to think of it, is Shen in badland currently? I rarely see anybody play him, and when he' picked any pubs in the vicinity whine about it.
OP means overpowered, which was arguable with just how bad he was at, well, everything else. There's a difference between OP and Broken. Denyplank had a mechanic that shouldn't have been setup as it should, and it caused gameplay issues. It's like a textbook case of being Broken is.
How was he bad at anything else? He scaled extremely well into late game and his farm was monstrous.
double philo double hog GP was the bane of higher elos for a long time.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - lorx - 2011-12-07
Aynia Wrote:How was he bad at anything else? He scaled extremely well into late game and his farm was monstrous.
double philo double hog GP was the bane of higher elos for a long time.
Sounds like an AD champion with a farm move. I really don't remember seeing or hearing about anybody taking him except for "dat deny", during phases where he was nerfed.
It could very well be we're remembering different GP's, since he had deny capability through a lot of changes quite often until Riot figured out that his deny just wasn't going to ever fit.
Either way, calling him OP is far too much credit. Le Blanc, Twisted Fate, they've been OP. Le Blanc got an unscheduled, very early mini-patch in order to nerf her, and TF was not allowed in tournaments "because TF that's why". Plank may have been high-tier for a while, but his power level wasn't 9001.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - Corn - 2011-12-07
Really? I remember everyone used to ban him in Ranked (and some still do).
Then again Akali is still banned (I don't think she's OP lol).
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - lorx - 2011-12-07
Corn Wrote:Really? I remember everyone used to ban him in Ranked (and some still do).
Then again Akali is still banned (I don't think she's OP lol).
Pretty much yeah, people ban champs all the time with no real reason besides "I don't want to deal with that", which is fine by me don't get me wrong, I do it like every game to Fizz. Trollpole is really, really annoying.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - Connor - 2011-12-07
I started playing in like late March I believe so I never really knew what Denyplank even did because no one played him at my level and he was changed soon after. Just looked it up...being able to kill your own minions? That seems pretty ridiculous lol
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - FenixR - 2011-12-07
Connor Wrote:I started playing in like late March I believe so I never really knew what Denyplank even did because no one played him at my level and he was changed soon after. Just looked it up...being able to kill your own minions? That seems pretty ridiculous lol
Well... its a core mechanic in Dota (I believe Dota 2 have it too) and HoN. The only reason its considered broken in LoL its because Denyplank was the only capable champion of doing it.
Original League of Legends (LoL) Thread - lorx - 2011-12-07
Connor Wrote:I started playing in like late March I believe so I never really knew what Denyplank even did because no one played him at my level and he was changed soon after. Just looked it up...being able to kill your own minions? That seems pretty ridiculous lol
I did a lot of ARAM a bit before deny was removed, a plank in that was ridiculous. Like Rammus in Dominion right now.