Dusk Wrote:I recently acquired a 61 Brawler for free. I'm not really interested in continuing it, but I did get a chance to play with all the moves. I was confused on a this:

Uncharged Corkscrew Blow and Backspin Blow seem to do essentially the same thing, that is, push 3 monsters and make you invincible. Corkscrew can be charged, but usually the best training spots don't allow much time for you to do so. Backspin Blow does way more damage and stuns, though. So why do people use Corkscrew uncharged, and why do builds max Corkscrew first? The only advantage I see with that is that you can use it in midair.

Dusk Wrote:I recently acquired a 61 Brawler for free. I'm not really interested in continuing it, but I did get a chance to play with all the moves. I was confused on a this:

Uncharged Corkscrew Blow and Backspin Blow seem to do essentially the same thing, that is, push 3 monsters and make you invincible. Corkscrew can be charged, but usually the best training spots don't allow much time for you to do so. Backspin Blow does way more damage and stuns, though. So why do people use Corkscrew uncharged, and why do builds max Corkscrew first? The only advantage I see with that is that you can use it in midair.

ZottenKerel Wrote:Ellbow makes you unaffected by dmg during the move, but you can get hit right after. Corckscrew ou can combine with a summersault kick and keep altering them without gettin ANY damage at all, since corckscrew leaves you invincible for almost a full second after the move is done. That is the main difference.

Sivrat Wrote:corkscrew has 3 more advantages other then "Air gun" as i call it. 1, longer range : it moves the monsters further, so if trying to mob, you move them more towards the other monsters. 2. it attacks in front of you, not behind, so you dont have to turn. 3. doesnt stun, seems like a disadvantage, right? Not when you want monsters to mob together and FOLLOW you.

Dusk Wrote:Hm, I still don't get it. 2nd job monsters do laughably low damage. Turning around isn't a disadvantage at all, turning around has 0 delay in MS and is more of an annoyance than something that actually slows you down. And it doesn't matter if it stuns or not, if you don't want it to stun, the follow-up SSK unstuns them for you.

ZottenKerel Wrote:You don't see the difference in getting hit right away after and being able to do 1 short move invulnerable and spam without getting hit?

Birdie Wrote:I want to try and do 3/4 hours at windraiders for the 2x event tomorrow and wanted to know if any knows about how many bullets an hour i can expect to use with burst fire. I have 14 sets or so of the level 70 bullets. I tired doing some basic math to guess at how many bullets ill use, 14*2400=33600 bullets, 33600 bullets/3 per burst fire= 11200. 11200/ 60 seconds= about 185 minutes. But thats only with 1 burst fire a second, anyone know a more accurate attack speed?

IllegallySane Wrote:How comparable are the 11x Marauder training spots? Himes for me at 110 is netting me ~18%/hour on 1x. Typhons slowed down to the point of giving me only ~10%/hour, and I don't even want to know how slow Gobies is. Anyone else getting the same %/hour at Himes/Typhons, or are they getting even higher?

And in case you're wondering, NO I did not use lolwave at Himes. I Corkscrew and SSK Himes to one side and let loose, or if I have Energy Charge up, I Corkscrew and Energy Blast to gather. Pot burn feels about appropriate: ~500 Honsters per hour, or ~5.6m per 4 hours of training. Definitely 2x-ing at Himes so I don't spend as much on pots.

ZottenKerel Wrote:Don't use corckscrew at himes. Just use speed pots and kick/punch himes till u go all in 1 corner
then 4~5 kicks is enough to chrge up and then just do kick/blast/kick/blast and so on till mob is gone, then hurry o the other side while using blast/kick/drain to mob them. Then you should be able to just finish the other side mob too right before charge runs out. And then over again. XD I haven't tried with a priest before but I think that would be a little better and little mroe relaxed, too.

DrRusty Wrote:Do you HAVE TO HAVE a blaze/ice capsul to use flamethrower/icespitter? If you do, how many capsules do you guys usually carry? I just bought one of each, but I don't know if that'll be enough.

Birdie Wrote:you dont have to have them to use the skills. I think the damage is cut in half without them though, im sure someone else knows the numbers for sure. And from what I understand from reading a few of the threads posted in the last couple days, it seems that ice spitter is just used for the freeze, which does not require a capsule.

Doxinator Wrote:Okay, okay. Question.

I'm nearing 4th job. I've got the 120 and 121 skill distribution set in stone. Just the standard 120: Barrage, DS, SI. 121: ST, Demo, TL.

Question is, I can't really decide what to do after that. I wanted to do 11 SI next, since I"m in a guild that bosses quite often, and I'll be needed in CWKPQ a whole lot. But then I can't decide if I want to do 2/1 With DS and Barrage, and get SI a little later when like, DS is at 21? Anyone have any thoughts on this? D:

DrRusty Wrote:ya that's why i was asking cause it seemed (the way people we're talking about it) that you could use them without the capsules. Oh well, I'll probably buy one more of each capsule when i get to lvl 70.

Also, does bullseye's damage increase work on bosses?

Worthyness Wrote:Would upgrading to a low 9x's king cent from a low 8x's white fangz be wise?

I have maybe 20-25 mil ish to spend on one (possibly more).

Also:

As of now, would going 11 Speed Infusion still be a wise option for a buccaneer in the early 12x's?

Thanks in advance =)

Holypie Wrote:lvl 60 gunslinger training spot?