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Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Takebacker - 2013-10-31
iVege Wrote:Laxus nearly dies from sucking in all that poison, but over 100 people from the town still dies.
I really was hoping he would die.
iVege Wrote:Not sure what to think of Laxus beating Tempesta in like three moves. If someone of his calibre is enough to take down a Kyuukimon demon with so little difficulty, I'm not sure what to think of them anymore.
His wanted to "die" though...
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2013-10-31
iVege Wrote:Not sure what to think of Laxus beating Tempesta in like three moves. If someone of his calibre is enough to take down a Kyuukimon demon with so little difficulty, I'm not sure what to think of them anymore.
"Someone of his calibur".
There are like, 5 at most other people of his calibur in the entire fairy tail world. And that's presuming that none of the other Gods of ishval have passive magic like the one we already met, and that jellal and gildarts are as strong as laxus (I don't think so on those last two given neither of them use lost magic like Laxus' dragon slaying magic).
Quote:His wanted to "die" though...Who, Tempesta? I don't think he did, otherwise he would have done it immediately without ever alerting the thunder god tribe and yajima that he was there. He was clearly ok with it when he had no other option though.
To be honest, I'm not surprised by this at all. Laxus will be back up and running by the end of the arc (Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if he just picked up poison as a second magic element). He's been removed by a fair means to absolutely stop him defeating the entire enemy guild on his own, in the same way Makarov was in quite a lot of arcs, only to come back near the end when they really needed him.
Either way, I expect cobra to laugh in his silly little face over his "poison" if the two ever meet.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - iVege - 2013-10-31
Takebacker Wrote:His wanted to "die" though...
After he got defeated.
Lozmaster Wrote:"Someone of his calibur".
There are like, 5 at most other people of his calibur in the entire fairy tail world. And that's presuming that none of the other Gods of ishval have passive magic like the one we already met, and that jellal and gildarts are as strong as laxus (I don't think so on those last two).
Yes, I'm fully aware of that.
Remember it's not just that Laxus won; it's that he won with little to no difficulty. Unless Tempesta can justify his loss properly, it will make them much less threatening.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Takebacker - 2013-10-31
iVege Wrote:After he got defeated.
Is that really what you want? To have, as Loz puts it, one of the 5 strongest people in the entire world to get completely bodied right off the bat? I don't see how laxus becoming bed ridden (or dead, or whatever kind of outcome you want) and causing fairy tail to declare war is somehow better if he wasn't able to do s'hit.
Also i still fail to see how laxus "won" since he's incapacitated for what we both know will last for the entire arc.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - iVege - 2013-10-31
Takebacker Wrote:Is that really what you want? To have, as Loz puts it, one of the 5 strongest people in the entire world to get completely bodied right off the bat? I don't see how laxus becoming bed ridden (or dead, or whatever kind of outcome you want) and causing fairy tail to declare war is somehow better if he wasn't able to do s'hit.
Also i still fail to see how laxus "won" since he's incapacitated for what we both know will last for the entire arc.
No, it's not what I want, and I never said that I wanted something like that. I didn't want to see Laxus lose, and I never said his loss would be a good thing. If Laxus got worfed then, it wouldn't really establish the overwhelming power of the Kyuukimon... because Mashima. That doesn't mean I would be unhappy no matter what, because these two outcomes were not all the possible outcomes.
By the way, Laxus getting bedridden is after the fact. Judging from the dialogue, Tempesta only 'sploded because Laxus beat him.
I've already addressed Laxus' "win" (in your context) in one of my other posts.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2013-10-31
I guess it depends on what you call a win.
Hundred(s) of people died and Laxus couldn't do anything to stop it, despite his best efforts. Laxus is bedridden, as are his entire team, possibly fatally (It's fairy tail though,so it won't be) leaving Fairy tail without their strongest member, meanwhile the only person they've fought from Tartaros is completely fine.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Corn - 2013-10-31
GASP PEOPLE DIED.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Takebacker - 2013-10-31
iVege Wrote:No, it's not what I want, and I never said that I wanted something like that. I didn't want to see Laxus lose, and I never said his loss would be a good thing. If Laxus got worfed then, it wouldn't really establish the overwhelming power of the Kyuukimon... because Mashima. That doesn't mean I would be unhappy no matter what, because these two outcomes were not all the possible outcomes.
So...you don't want laxus to lose, but you want the kyuu to be overwhelmingly powerful? I don't get it. Given those parameters there sounds like only 2 real outcomes. Laxus loses, or he wins. The damage he takes or gives getting there you already admit doesn't matter because mashima. So all that's left is who came out on top...and it sounds like it isn't laxus right now.
iVege Wrote:By the way, Laxus getting bedridden is after the fact. Judging from the dialogue, Tempesta only 'sploded because Laxus beat him.
He used the mist because he wasn't expecting him (not just him, humans in general) to be so strong. He wasn't seriously trying and he still ended up killing over 100 people and setting one of FT's strongest aside for another who knows how many chapters.
Isn't a win supposed to be a good thing? I wouldn't even consider that a legitimate fight to be honest.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - byakugan - 2013-11-01
Takebacker Wrote:So...you don't want laxus to lose, but you want the kyuu to be overwhelmingly powerful? I don't get it. Given those parameters there sounds like only 2 real outcomes. Laxus loses, or he wins. The damage he takes or gives getting there you already admit doesn't matter because mashima. So all that's left is who came out on top...and it sounds like it isn't laxus right now.
I think I get his point, and it is that, despite wanting Laxus to win, he'd have wanted him to trade a lot more blows with Calamity before winning.
I guess this all only matters depending on how strong Laxus really is, and whats the gap of power between him and the top tier of fairytail. I was under the impression Erza and Natsu (lightning fire mode) had at least 70% of his strength, if that's anywhere close to the truth they should be able to take on a couple tartaros guys without danger.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - iVege - 2013-11-01
Takebacker Wrote:So...you don't want laxus to lose, but you want the kyuu to be overwhelmingly powerful? I don't get it. Given those parameters there sounds like only 2 real outcomes. Laxus loses, or he wins. The damage he takes or gives getting there you already admit doesn't matter because mashima. So all that's left is who came out on top...and it sounds like it isn't laxus right now.
He used the mist because he wasn't expecting him (not just him, humans in general) to be so strong. He wasn't seriously trying and he still ended up killing over 100 people and setting one of FT's strongest aside for another who knows how many chapters.
Isn't a win supposed to be a good thing? I wouldn't even consider that a legitimate fight to be honest.
I didn't need the Kyuukimon to be more overwhelming than they already were. I just didn't want them to be less overwhelming, at least not at this stage. It's still quite early.
An alternative could've been that Calamity tries to strangle Yajima to death, Laxus comes, Calamity recognises him, and explodes. This way, no blows were exchanged, Calamity is still badass, Laxus is still badass (and is recognised as such by the Kyuukimon), etc.
Note that I'm not saying that this path would've been better; I'm just giving you a little more insight into what I thought about the chapter, because I don't think you understood what I meant before. I didn't feel like repeating what I've said already, so I approached the issue in another way. But yeah, as it is, we aren't even on the same page.
byakugan Wrote:I think I get his point, and it is that, despite wanting Laxus to win, he'd have wanted him to trade a lot more blows with Calamity before winning.
I guess this all only matters depending on how strong Laxus really is, and whats the gap of power between him and the top tier of fairytail. I was under the impression Erza and Natsu (lightning fire mode) had at least 70% of his strength, if that's anywhere close to the truth they should be able to take on a couple tartaros guys without danger.
Yeah, that would've worked too. It's all about the impact of the scene, man. I (and I'm sure most people) only take note of technicalities like "who won" in hindsight and analysis.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2013-11-01
byakugan Wrote:I think I get his point, and it is that, despite wanting Laxus to win, he'd have wanted him to trade a lot more blows with Calamity before winning.
I guess this all only matters depending on how strong Laxus really is, and whats the gap of power between him and the top tier of fairytail. I was under the impression Erza and Natsu (lightning fire mode) had at least 70% of his strength, if that's anywhere close to the truth they should be able to take on a couple tartaros guys without danger.
Putting numbers to stuff is always dangerous, but I think you're seriously overestimating Natsu there. Maybe immediately after he ate Laxus lightning for the first time, but he has shown no signs of being anywhere near that powerful when he does it using his own magic. And even when he was using Laxus magic, he burnt through it all in a handful of attacks.
Ok, yeah, he got second origin to offset that by a little bit, but as we saw with Gajeel, the change that made is no different to the 3 months that Laxus spent training.
On the other hand, we saw that Orga was around half of Juras strength (from the magic power counter), but that didn't stop Jura instantly knocking him unconscious in a single chop to the head, so we could reasonably assume being at least half of Laxus strength would mean you'd still be knocked out immediately.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - iVege - 2013-11-02
Lozmaster Wrote:Putting numbers to stuff is always dangerous, but I think you're seriously overestimating Natsu there. Maybe immediately after he ate Laxus lightning for the first time, but he has shown no signs of being anywhere near that powerful when he does it using his own magic. And even when he was using Laxus magic, he burnt through it all in a handful of attacks.
Natsu vs Max was with his own magic, but I don't remember if his Roar was as powerful as the time when he used it against Hades. I'm not sure whether Laxus has even shown that kind of firepower (the one he used against Hades, I mean) with his Roar.
Lozmaster Wrote:Ok, yeah, he got second origin to offset that by a little bit, but as we saw with Gajeel, the change that made is no different to the 3 months that Laxus spent training.
I'm actually quite confused about this whole Second Origin thing. I wonder if it's something that is activated, because Erza did something like that with her fight against Minerva.
Perhaps it is because Erza has already achieved Second Origin, but had not activated it yet. Ultear's magic awakens and activates a mage's Second Origin, but since Erza already had hers, she didn't get it activated? Which means she was fighting at the strength she was seven years ago before she fought Minerva.
If it's not that, though, then that means the rest of Team Natsu has yet to activate their Second Origin, even though their magic was still passively boosted by its awakening. Which means they can still get another power-up.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2013-11-02
iVege Wrote:Natsu vs Max was with his own magic, but I don't remember if his Roar was as powerful as the time when he used it against Hades. I'm not sure whether Laxus has even shown that kind of firepower (the one he used against Hades, I mean) with his Roar.
His roar on the island went through hades, the entire island and over the ocean, destroying a significant part of it in the process.
The Tiny one he did against max was nothing like it.
I'm actually quite confused about this whole Second Origin thing. I wonder if it's something that is activated, because Erza did something like that with her fight against Minerva.
Quote:If it's not that, though, then that means the rest of Team Natsu has yet to activate their Second Origin, even though their magic was still passively boosted by its awakening. Which means they can still get another power-up.
No. They definitely are using it. Lucy, for example, never had enough magic to use more than a single spirit for any real amount of time before she received the second origin, and suddenly she was able to use two at once, despite no training.
Natsu no longer collapses as soon as he uses a Fire-lightning dragon attack, Greys Ice-makes got a lot larger. It's hard to tell with wendy, but she explicitly said after using her Sky Dragon Secret art against Chelia that she used all her magic in the attack, which wouldn't make sense if she still had all of her second origin left. PRetty sure Juvia said she was using her second origin magic too, during the water sphere competition.
It makes more sense for Erza to "unleash" it than it does for anyone else because she only uses magic to summon weapons and armour, so the only possible boost it could have given her is to let her use weapons/armour that required more magic. It would actually be a bit silly for everyone else to do something like taht.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - byakugan - 2013-11-02
I forgot to say something about the chapter. Despite 100 or more people diying in this attack, it felt as non impactant as if nobody had died. I still thinbg Freed or even the totem guy diying would have worked much better to draw the image of Tartaros as a real threat, but not even Yajima died?
Mashima needs to man-up and kill a couple Fairies in this arc. There are a lot of people in fairytail that would work much better dead and as arguments for a power boost for everyone else.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Lozmaster - 2013-11-02
byakugan Wrote:I forgot to say something about the chapter. Despite 100 or more people diying in this attack, it felt as non impactant as if nobody had died. I still thinbg Freed or even the totem guy diying would have worked much better to draw the image of Tartaros as a real threat, but not even Yajima died?
Mashima needs to man-up and kill a couple Fairies in this arc. There are a lot of people in fairytail that would work much better dead and as arguments for a power boost for everyone else.
Anyone hoping any members of fairy tail are going to die should probably just stop reading now, because it's not going to happen.
Rave Master was a hell of a lot darker than fairy tail, and I think they only killed off 1 major good character, and a couple of more minor ones in the entire manga. And that last two were more the equivilant of Atlas Flames sacrifice (old master type characters who died to help the protagonists).
That, and the fairy tail members don't need a power boost. The important characters are already the strongest member sin the strongest guild, so having a significant power up again would be stupid. Ok, it's reasonable to expect that the dragon slayers will learn to control dragon force at some point (or at least Natsu and Gajeel will), but all they need for that is Sting and Rogue to tell them how, not pointless deaths.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - byakugan - 2013-11-02
Lozmaster Wrote:Anyone hoping any members of fairy tail are going to die should probably just stop reading now, because it's not going to happen.
Rave Master was a hell of a lot darker than fairy tail, and I think they only killed off 1 major good character, and a couple of more minor ones in the entire manga. And that last two were more the equivilant of Atlas Flames sacrifice (old master type characters who died to help the protagonists).
That, and the fairy tail members don't need a power boost. The important characters are already the strongest member sin the strongest guild, so having a significant power up again would be stupid. Ok, it's reasonable to expect that the dragon slayers will learn to control dragon force at some point (or at least Natsu and Gajeel will), but all they need for that is Sting and Rogue to tell them how, not pointless deaths.
Never say never? I mean there's nothing to say that because he wouldn't do it n his previous works he wont ever do it during his mangaka career. Its true Fairytail as a whole doesn't need a powerboost but there are quite a few characters with a lot of potential like Wendy and Lucy while others could grow up from a traumatic experience? at the same time there are a lot of characters that do nothing but serve as fillers whenever there's a party to show how enjoyable times are in the guild, if Fairytail doesn't need to grow stronger in any way, then there's no threat from Tartaros, and if there's no threat there's no thrill.
Anyway, you are prolly right, if nobody died against grimoire hearts in tenrou island there's little chance someone will die here. I'm not demanding for people to die, I just consider it would make things a lot more dramatic
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - iVege - 2013-11-02
Lozmaster Wrote:His roar on the island went through hades, the entire island and over the ocean, destroying a significant part of it in the process.
The Tiny one he did against max was nothing like it.
I checked out the scans and that seems to be the case.
I think Laxus could match the Roar against Max. Don't have proof, though (yet).
Lozmaster Wrote:No. They definitely are using it. Lucy, for example, never had enough magic to use more than a single spirit for any real amount of time before she received the second origin, and suddenly she was able to use two at once, despite no training.
Natsu no longer collapses as soon as he uses a Fire-lightning dragon attack, Greys Ice-makes got a lot larger. It's hard to tell with wendy, but she explicitly said after using her Sky Dragon Secret art against Chelia that she used all her magic in the attack, which wouldn't make sense if she still had all of her second origin left. PRetty sure Juvia said she was using her second origin magic too, during the water sphere competition.
I know that.
See what I said about awakening and activating.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - byakugan - 2013-11-08
I loled at Natsu saying "one of our own got taken down", like screw Freed, Ever and Totem guy, the only one that matters is Laxus.
Now one would think that, considering just one Tartaros was able to nearly kill one of the strongest fairies and over 100 other people, splitting FT's forces would be more dangerous than anything else if you go against them.... but well.
I was expecting Jackal vs Natsu to be one of the stellar fights of this arc, but jst like with Natsu vs Zancrow its one of the first ones. I hope it doesn't need here or a least not as fast as the later one did.
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Worthyness - 2013-11-08
Dragon Slayer magic's most powerful ability: Eat ALL the things!
Fairy Tail Thread (Spoilers) - Tsundere - 2013-11-08
Worthyness Wrote:Dragon Slayer magic's most powerful ability: Eat ALL the things!Gotta eat em' all!