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Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Lozmaster - 2014-06-03
byakugan Wrote:Ok so Iwata's claims that a console can be saved by a couple games seem to be true. Mario Kart is definitely doing great breathing some life into the Wii U and Smash bros is definitely gonna do more than that. Now all that Nintendo's got to do is announce a couple awesome games during the E3 to keep the playerbase interested (Heroes of Hyrule, X and Bayoneta seem to be all there is).. I know many will be like "heck no" but I think announcing a new Super Mario Galaxy game for the Wii U would be the cherry on top to put the Wii U back on the competition (and a Majora's Mask remake for the love of god)
The Wii U isn't "saved" at all. Mario Kart + a free download of another complete retail game is doing well at launch, yeah.
But I'm pretty sure it's going to drop off a cliff in sales again though and never come up again for 6 months until smash bros launches, where the process will repeat with a minor blip in sales and then nothing again.
That's what happens when you have no software (only game of any note in the next 2 months is an eshop game which is just a sequel to a 3ds eshop game, pushmo). Then maybe hyrule warriors in august (that's when it launches in Japan). Then nothing until smash bros. A couple of days of momentum means nothing if you can't carry it with other software, which is impossible for any one company to do.
tldr: it's still never going to even get close to gamecube sales. Hell, I'm still not sure it can reach dreamcast sales.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Chicocl - 2014-06-03
Lozmaster Wrote:The Wii U isn't "saved" at all. Mario Kart + a free download of another complete retail game is doing well at launch, yeah.
But I'm pretty sure it's going to drop off a cliff in sales again though and never come up again for 6 months until smash bros launches, where the process will repeat with a minor blip in sales and then nothing again.
That's what happens when you have no software (only game of any note in the next 2 months is an eshop game which is just a sequel to a 3ds eshop game, pushmo). Then maybe hyrule warriors in august (that's when it launches in Japan). Then nothing until smash bros. A couple of days of momentum means nothing if you can't carry it with other software, which is impossible for any one company to do.
tldr: it's still never going to even get close to gamecube sales. Hell, I'm still not sure it can reach dreamcast sales.
While I see your point, there are a few facts that we need to consider, Mario kart 8 sold 1.2m in 3 days, so, when the week is over we are really going to know how good it's launch is, but right now the numbers are outstanding for a console with only 7m units sold.
The club nintendo offer for the free game lasts 2 months and I know a lot of people that are now planing to get a Wii u because of that promo.
In Japan, there will be various games until Smash is released, so momentum won't be lost there, now the Americas and Europe will have a problem if hyrule warriors and Bayo 2 don't get released in a similar time to japan.
Also there are 4 unannounced games from nintendo (From twitch schedule), I know that we already know about some games that are in the works, like X, FireXMegamitensei and Zelda but that doesn't mean that there isn't going to be new ones. Also, some people expect MH4U to be announced fo Wii U. And there are other companies that are developing some Wii U games and looks like we will get the next Call of Duty... So, maybe we are not that screwed.
It's all up to the E3 now, If nintendo manages to get some games to release before Smash or lure sales with a business move (price cut, new wii u bundles, etc.), then Wii U will be saved, remember that what saved 3DS was Mario kart 7 + a price cut.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Link - 2014-06-03
The likely hood of a Wii U price drop is low right now, with the Philips lawsuit going through. What Philips wants is a cut of all of the profits gained by Nintendo with the sales of the Wii U and the cease and desist of the manufacturing and selling of the Wii U. While the latter is low in probability that a court order would come through for it, the former is most likely going to prevent any price cuts any time soon, as Nintendo would be making even less money off of it, if any at all, depending on how much they would owe Philips.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Lozmaster - 2014-06-03
Chicocl Wrote:In Japan, there will be various games until Smash is released, so momentum won't be lost there, now the Americas and Europe will have a problem if hyrule warriors and Bayo 2 don't get released in a similar time to japan.
Japan is only getting the same games we are. You're kidding yourself if you think a couple of eshop titles, a zelda spin off and bayonetta 2 are going to do well. Maybe hyrule warriors can sell a few units to people who don't realise how bad Musou games are, but bayonetta 2 is going to be laughed off the wii u sales stage, same as Wonderful 101 was.
Nintendos been announcing games years in advance for wii u since at least January of last year (Like X, Yarn Yoshi, Fire emblem x shin megami tensei). If you think they're magically going to pull major unannounced retail titles for release in july, that's some incredible optimism.
A 3 month gap between releases just isn't good enough to carry what little momentum MK8 is giving them. Maybe X and FExShin megami are nearly done, but they're still not really going to hold anyone, nor fix the fact that 3rd parties are gone. In all honesty, they needed mario kart a whole year ago, with smash for christmas last year if they wanted it to have even a minor chance of "saving" anything.
Link Wrote:The likely hood of a Wii U price drop is low right now, with the Philips lawsuit going through. What Philips wants is a cut of all of the profits gained by Nintendo with the sales of the Wii U and the cease and desist of the manufacturing and selling of the Wii U. While the latter is low in probability that a court order would come through for it, the former is most likely going to prevent any price cuts any time soon, as Nintendo would be making even less money off of it, if any at all, depending on how much they would owe Philips.
The phillips lawsuit won't get them anything. They're idiots and they're lucky to have somehow not had the case thrown out already. They want a cut of profits because of wiimotes technology... for a patent they made sometime around 2009, where wiimotes, of course, started being sold in 2006 and were announced well before then.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - KhainiWest - 2014-06-03
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Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - byakugan - 2014-06-03
Lozmaster Wrote:The Wii U isn't "saved" at all. Mario Kart + a free download of another complete retail game is doing well at launch, yeah.
I am aware that the Wii U is still far from saved, but Mario Kart and SSB will increase the number of console sales by a lot, if you add a couple of good games in the horizon for gamers to acquire in the next 6 months / a year it might be all thats needed. You have to keep in mind that right now neither the xbox one nor the PS4 are in any better position than the Wii U, if Nintendo can capitalize on that and get a hold of the market by releasing great games first then they'd be put back in competition, it'd be 3DS vs PSP all over again.
Super Mario Galaxy (or Universe) is, aswell, known for its great quality as Mario Kart and SSB are, so there's no doubt that it'd become another console seller game, another thing to do would be release a game Nintendo fans have been asking for like another metroid or star fox or heck maybe a kid icarus game like uprising but using the power of the wii U, that'd be great.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Lozmaster - 2014-06-03
byakugan Wrote:You have to keep in mind that right now neither the xbox one nor the PS4 are in any better position than the Wii U, if Nintendo can capitalize on that and get a hold of the market by releasing great games first then they'd be put back in competition, it'd be 3DS vs PSP all over again.
What? They're not even in close to the same position. PS4 has already outsold wii u despite the full year headstart, and Sony has the full force of every third party (because where else are they going to go?) while nintendo can count the third parties who actually plan on supporting wii u with (anything but shovelware) games on a single hand. And those are only there because nintendo paid sega and platinum off (both gambles which have failed spectacularly, getting 3 crap games from sega and 2 that won't sell despite being excellent from platinum).
Nintendo can't capitalize on it, they blew it, they know they blew it. There's a reason that they only predicted to sell 3.6million wii us worldwide this year. Why some people still don't get it confuses me.
It doesn't make wii u a bad console or the games releasing on it bad, but they know the software support isn't there to make it a success, because it's impossible for one company to do it, no matter how hard they try.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Arrol - 2014-06-03
Lozmaster Wrote:What? They're not even in close to the same position. PS4 has already outsold wii u despite the full year headstart, and Sony has the full force of every third party (because where else are they going to go?) while nintendo can count the third parties who actually plan on supporting wii u with (anything but shovelware) games on a single hand. And those are only there because nintendo paid sega and platinum off (both gambles which have failed spectacularly, getting 3 crap games from sega and 2 that won't sell despite being excellent from platinum). When the dreamcast
Nintendo can't capitalize on it, they blew it, they know they blew it. There's a reason that they only predicted to sell 3.6million wii us worldwide this year. Why some people still don't get it confuses me.
It doesn't make wii u a bad console or the games releasing on it bad, but they know the software support isn't there to make it a success, because it's impossible for one company to do it, no matter how hard they try.
Wait, I thought the Wii U already lost some of it's third-party support.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Chicocl - 2014-06-03
Actually, I think the problem here is more the media than anything else, just see polygon's prediction of only 1.26m copies of MK8 being sold in it's life time. The media has been hating Nintendo quite a while (and Nintendo hasn't been helping it either...). For example, they were fighting 2 weeks ago about how MK8 was 59 FPS and not 60 FPS because they couldn't find a big flaw on it. The bad opinion of the media is pushing customers out of Nintendo's way, Xbone and Ps4 are selling well but they are selling with old gen ports and Okay-ish games, it's just that for the media those are the hardgamer consoles... When they can't play actual hardcore games properly (like Monster hunter). A clear example of media hating nintendo is when Sheldon in the big bang theory was choosing between PS4 and Xbone but they didn't even care about Wii U, when Sheldon and others had a strong relationship with Mario and Wii.
I know Nintendo will save Wii U, I trust Iwata. The problem is that he is fighting 2 wars: One in the gaming market and one inside his own company against investors.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Lozmaster - 2014-06-03
The media didn't predict 3.6million wii us to sell this year, nintendo did. Yes, polygons article was written by someone who could probably be declared legally braindead, but that doesn't change anything. Bring up whatever conspiracy theories you want about how the media wants nintendo dead or whatever, but that isn't going to change the situation at all.
Quote:When they can't play actual hardcore games properly (like Monster hunter).
Christ , really? The wii and wii u versions of tri are the highest rated average review scores of the entire MH franchise.
http://www.metacritic.com/search/all/monster+hunter/results?sort=score
And you're now accusing journalists of not being able to play a game because its "hardcore"?
Last I checked there was sweet fanny adams "hardcore" about super mario galaxy 1/2. That doesn't stop them from being among the best games of all time.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Link - 2014-06-03
Lozmaster Wrote:The phillips lawsuit won't get them anything. They're idiots and they're lucky to have somehow not had the case thrown out already. They want a cut of profits because of wiimotes technology... for a patent they made sometime around 2009, where wiimotes, of course, started being sold in 2006 and were announced well before then.
It's not the Wiimote technology they're shooting at, it's the Wii Motion Plus technology. A big company like Philips wouldn't go after Nintendo if it weren't for something they're very sure they could win. We'll see.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - byakugan - 2014-06-03
Lozmaster Wrote:What? They're not even in close to the same position. PS4 has already outsold wii u despite the full year headstart, and Sony has the full force of every third party (because where else are they going to go?) while nintendo can count the third parties who actually plan on supporting wii u with (anything but shovelware) games on a single hand. And those are only there because nintendo paid sega and platinum off (both gambles which have failed spectacularly, getting 3 crap games from sega and 2 that won't sell despite being excellent from platinum). When the dreamcast
I wasn't talking about Nintendo and PS4/Xbone being close and refering about console sales, I was refering to the number of games worth mentioning on each one. Right now there's like 3 exclusive games on the PS4 and maybe even less on Xbone. If Nintendo can capitalize on that by releasing great games for the console during... the time spawn of a year maybe? They could get back in competition. People ran out and bought the PS4/Xbone because they are sheeps, they hear everyone talking about how they are the next gen of gaming based on their aspects alone but as for right now they are yet to prove it (*cough* watchdogs *cough*)
I am with you on the idea Iwata blew it up and he shouldn't be leading Nintendo anymore. Nintendo shouldn't be in the position it is, trying to do magic to keep itself alive in the console market, and regardless of how things turn for the Wii U he shouldn't be in the company when the next generation arrives.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Lozmaster - 2014-06-03
byakugan Wrote:If Nintendo can capitalize on that by releasing great games for the console during... the time spawn of a year maybe? They could get back in competition. People ran out and bought the PS4/Xbone because they are sheeps, they hear everyone talking about how they are the next gen of gaming based on their aspects alone but as for right now they are yet to prove it
If they could have done it, they would have already done it this year. They didn't, and they can't. It's incredibly telling that Mario kart is the first game nintendo had planned for this year (the only other one they've released so far, DK was delayed from November last year despite being finished because of just how barren the release schedule was).
People didn't buy it because "they are sheeps". If you have to resort to insulting people as a point, you have to realise you might be the one who is wrong. They bought the consoles early in the lifetime for the exact same reason you buy any console early in it's lifetime: you expect a lot of games for it during it's 5-10 year lifespan and want to get there early.
Who cares if one ubisoft AAA game plays exactly like... well, a ubisoft AAA game (because we all know that they're all the same thing). People buying it knew what they would be getting, and the game just smashed records for first day sales, so obviously people wanted it. Missing out on 3rd party stuff like that is exactly what's killed the wii u. No, getting it later doesn't work.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Chicocl - 2014-06-03
Lozmaster Wrote:The media didn't predict 3.6million wii us to sell this year, nintendo did.
Nintendo did, you said it yourself. It's likely a business move from Iwata to not have insanely high expectations over him, predictions means nothing, and even less if you have failed to fill up all them in 2 years because they were over confident about the product, we all know that with smash and MK8 out this year, they are going to sell more than that.
Quote:Bring up whatever conspiracy theories you want about how the media wants nintendo dead or whatever, but that isn't going to change the situation at all.
Because bad publicity doesn't affect sales? Because the creation of elitist groups in the gaming world doesn't afffect sales?. I always see people that say "Eww you own that Nintendo Garbage" or talk pomegrnate about Wii U/3DS without even owning one of the systems, I know I made a mistake when I generalized about it. but it doesn't change the fact that the industry is being hard on Nintendo because they think (most of them) that they are for children only, when games are created in a more "general" view, because there are 30-40+ years old nintendo fans too, there is no better way to explain this than this article: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jordanshapiro/2014/05/15/mario-kart-8-proves-nintendo-is-the-game-maker-for-grown-ups/
Also, what can I do to change the situation?. I'm just a normal person, I'm not someone with power in the industry.
Quote:Christ , really? The wii and wii u versions of tri are the highest rated average review scores of the entire MH franchise.
Yeah, journalist play them but not in full detail, there was a review about MH3U that only covered up to the first LAgiacrus hunt and that wasn't even 10% of the game... Also they were saying that the game had awful controlls when the basic controls and difficult stages are the main core of the game, not a flaw.
Quote: And you're now accusing journalists of not being able to play a game because its "hardcore"?
Last I checked there was sweet fanny adams "hardcore" about super mario galaxy 1/2. That doesn't stop them from being among the best games of all time.
Not all journalits are like that but a good group of them are and not just "hardcore" nintendo games but also innovative ones, or don't you remember the awful review that Skyward sword got from IGN/Gamespot (not remember which because I was more busy playing than caring) because the journalist couldn't play SS properly (because of his own fault), Obviously they can't trash huge entries (Mario for example) but they try their best to find mistakes (lol, Mario kart 59FPS), something they don't do on other AAA games that are released with full bugs.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Lozmaster - 2014-06-03
Wowzers. 1 person writes a bad review in each case of ss and MH3 and all of journalism hates nintendo.
Yeah, no.
It affects sales, sure. But Nintendo did all the damage, not journalists, because they released an overpriced, underpowered console with a terrible gimmick that no-one wanted and they themselves had no idea what to do with. It's all on Nintendo, because if they had made something people would have wanted, you'd have gotten the journalists in a frenzy like they did for the wii where at e3 2005 or 6, there is that great video of everyone rushing right past the sony ps3 booth to get a chance at the wii.
When you release a good product, word of mouth would overpower any potential journalism bias. When you release a bad product, you get bad journalism and bad word of mouth.
I certainly don't recommend anyone get a wii u when you can get a 3DS and a original wii for less. Because the wii versions of nearly every franchise so far is better than the U versions (except maybe mario kart) and the 3DS is a much better proposition, especially when you're basically getting the same games on the two things.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Takebacker - 2014-06-03
Mario kart is the best game i have played since mario kart 64. It's a console seller for s'hit sure. There is no reason to think demand would taper off. There is no reason to think smash 4 would taper off. Smash is arguably the biggest, most popular series in the gaming world. Smash 4 coming this holiday season is the equivalent of a console launch. It will sell consoles, and regardless of how many, it's going to be enough to satisfy nintendo, and anyone who wants to hate on the wii u after that can go f'uck themselves because it's a great system with utility unlike any console EVER on the market. People misunderstanding it's value and bashing on it aren't worth listening to.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Lozmaster - 2014-06-03
There's plenty of reason to think it'll taper off. And it will, just like it did after every other game release, which resulted in a blip in sales and then back to very small numbers again. Admittedly MK might even last a few weeks before the blip ends, but it's going to happen because they have no other major releases until smash.
The argument isn't that it's a bad console at all (other than it being vastly underpowered and overpriced for what it is), because it does have a good numebr of good exclsuives.
But a good console doesn't equal a console that sells well, and the wii u just can't become the second thing at this point.
If Nintendo gets an absolute miracle, it might reach gamecube numbers (I obviously don't think it will), and to put it in Iwatas own words from the launch of the wii "If Wii Doesn't Outsell GameCube, We've Failed", hence they've failed with wii U
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Takebacker - 2014-06-03
Gamecube literally only got to where it was because of melee. I don't consider gamecube a failure because it brought us the best controller ever designed so far. Nintendo does not see or show their recognition of that aspect of their products despite controller designs and functions being what they've been focusing on and changing for the past 4 generations, while sony and microsoft do the exact opposite. I don't really see how it's possible for the wii u to not hit gamecube numbers when it's guaranteed that smash 4 for either 3DS or wii u is going to sell more units than melee and brawl did, since both of those games were more console makers than any other game they put out.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - Lozmaster - 2014-06-03
Bwah?
Smash 4 wii u certainly isn't going to sell more than brawl did. Wii U would first have to double it's userbase and then get a 100% sellthrough rate to get close. Only pokemon on the 3DS has managed to just edge out brawls numbers, but no other title has gotten close yet on the handheld, and it's unlikely to perform as well as pokemon on it's home turf. And adding the two together is counting two different games, but may well get close in total to brawls numbers.
The fact is wii u is still undertracking the dreamcast by over 4 million when you align dates (that number being from the stats nintendo gave late march/early april, obviously prior to mario kart), which is why reaching gamecube numbers is at best a fever dream.
Nintendo Direct thread:(Japan only?)3DS 3rd party direct 8PMJST/NoonUK/7amEST 11thJul - byakugan - 2014-06-03
With all you've written in this thread you start to sound like you want Nintendo to Blow up, so that they wake up and realize the mistakes they've commited and send Iwata to pineapple himself, and that be Maybe that'd be great if it could be garanteed that they could make a comback for the next gen if the Wii U is proven a failure.
Lozmaster Wrote:If they could have done it, they would have already done it this year. They didn't, and they can't. It's incredibly telling that Mario kart is the first game nintendo had planned for this year (the only other one they've released so far, DK was delayed from November last year despite being finished because of just how barren the release schedule was).
Even if they had no games to release the past year, there's no saying there wont be games to release during the next year, at least not yet. Last thing I heard was Nintendo was expanding its development studios so they could develop more games at a time. LEt's wait for E3.
Lozmaster Wrote:People didn't buy it because "they are sheeps". If you have to resort to insulting people as a point, you have to realise you might be the one who is wrong. They bought the consoles early in the lifetime for the exact same reason you buy any console early in it's lifetime: you expect a lot of games for it during it's 5-10 year lifespan and want to get there early.
There sure are people buying the PS4 or even the XBone for the reasons you mention, but most do it because it is the thing to the moment in gaming and I say that because other than its aspects there's nothing that makes those 2 consoles next gen as of yet. (Aspect don't count or else PC would be reigning it all). When the next Halo comes out on Xbone and... IDK uncharted 4? on PS4, then thats when both consoles will prolly take off from the current gen.
Lozmaster Wrote:Who cares if one ubisoft AAA game plays exactly like... well, a ubisoft AAA game (because we all know that they're all the same thing). People buying it knew what they would be getting, and the game just smashed records for first day sales, so obviously people wanted it. Missing out on 3rd party stuff like that is exactly what's killed the wii u. No, getting it later doesn't work.
I mentioned watchdogs because it was advertised as a new gen game which is no better than the lastest previous gen games, whereas Mario Kart in my opinion (might get hate from this) is at least a step ahead. What I am trying to get at is that, until the PS4 and XBone start to get true next gen games the Wii U still has chance for a comeback. They really need 3rd party support, but they need to prove first there's a market for 3rd parties in their console, so they need to sell the console and that brings me back to my first point, Mario Kart is a great first step, say the next is SMB, put at least 3 more tittles as big for the gamers to look up to in the next year and then you might give the Wii U the chance to compete again.