dowie Wrote:Ugh I just went through Usagi Drop's anime and I must say the production was fantastic and it really gets to ya. I totally wouldn't mind them doing more for the rest of the manga.

Niernen Wrote:Er... so what is your opinion on harem animes? Some of my friends like them, but are there any decent ones or ones with stories (vs "plot")

KhainiWest Wrote:...How exactly does that point to a pomegranate anime? Even if he was to die tomorrow, there's currently 16 people who cannot only draw it, but have access to the entire story. The illness isn't even anything to worry about because he got some nasty throat infection that simply persisted.

Quote:Yeah, 20 years of growth, but it takes you less than a month to read. I say that because by the time you're through the chapter with chopper you're WANTING to catch up. How many anime's do you also know about that have books written by uni professors trying to figure out why it's so successful?

Quote:If you want to a quick short story, that's fine but one piece is it's own novel, a story you grow with, that you get attached too because of the detailed world building that no other manga even compares. It has this light hearted attitude with spikes of bad assery, where the philosophies they throw at you, such as slavery, world government corruption, the meaning of freedom, don't make you think, they make you feel those view points. The best way to describe it, Goku was a naturally naive/silly protagonist, although luffy has that same nature, he has this more instinctual method of pushing his emotions. He doesn't try to justify his goals beyond short term simplicity. He doesn't have to give any long speeche's, just quick short liners about how he just has to kick your ass.

Quote:Then One Piece doesn't deal with silly romantic tensions, they don't deal with the morality of whether they kill their enemy. When they defeat them, they break them, they break their ideology, they don't have to take their life, which brings so much depth to so many characters. It isn't "Oh, this isn't my final form" each villain has an advantage to his own, one that isn't simply "I over power you". It adds even more depth to the combat, even the female's in one piece aren't useless, in fact Robin is pretty goddamn broken.

Quote:But the one thing I love about one piece the most, is the foreshadowing. The ultimate goal is to become pirate king, yet a battle, 100x greater than even the Whitebeard war, at the summit, where luffy's strongest ability is turning everyone around him friends. Where usopps lies turn into truth throughout their adventures, how the void century is the key to it all, and lastly, that there is no good or evil, just freedom and peoples perspective to honor it. Ultimately, luffy doesn't want to conquer the world, he doesn't want riches, he just wants to say "I'm the Pirate King, and I can do what I want".

Dudewitbow Wrote:I should also respond to harem, the fact that most harem use very generic character types with a semi generic and predictable story gets a bit tiring after a bunch of them. generally, the better harem-like shows focus less on the harem, but more on the character depth because of possibly using a very unusual character in the bunch(generally the MC). For instance, the much praised Monogatari series(e.g Bake, Nise, Kuro, Neko) is praised for its odd and unique minimalist art style, as well as an MC that isnt as totally generic as all of the other harem MC's(the MC is more openly expresive about his feelings to others, but of course there is a limiter to himself he checks of) compared to a generic MC lead whose generally undecisive, gets in ridiculously lucky situations, fails to pick any girl at the end and much more. In general, RomCom is more preferable than Harem(some romcoms have harem' like feeling to them without the overly expressive females in the heat after the MC explicitly.)

Dudewitbow Wrote:from the people who read the manga, it gets a bit creepish and how the anime ended was a way that didnt totally change the mood of the series. the manga takes a very "odd" turn on the storyline

Derosis Wrote:Araragi is horny, gets into ridiculously lucky situations because of his "shadow", and has some generic values. But he's unique due to the sole fact that he is a character executed differently than others. His hornyness is that of a teen, who has sexual tension out the ass, and has a background story that is really only explained in the Light Novels.

Quote: isnt as totally generic

Niernen Wrote:slice of life/comedy

Derosis Wrote:Don't take this the wrong way. One Piece is an Amazing manga. Just a really Bad Anime. It's being drawn out with fillers due to the Mangas indepth storytelling which is good, but bad for the anime.

I hope that explains my reasoning.

Dudewitbow Wrote:I should also respond to harem, the fact that most harem use very generic character types with a semi generic and predictable story gets a bit tiring after a bunch of them. generally, the better harem-like shows focus less on the harem, but more on the character depth because of possibly using a very unusual character in the bunch(generally the MC). For instance, the much praised Monogatari series(e.g Bake, Nise, Kuro, Neko) is praised for its odd and unique minimalist art style, as well as an MC that isnt as totally generic as all of the other harem MC's(the MC is more openly expresive about his feelings to others, but of course there is a limiter to himself he checks of) compared to a generic MC lead whose generally undecisive, gets in ridiculously lucky situations, fails to pick any girl at the end and much more. In general, RomCom is more preferable than Harem(some romcoms have harem' like feeling to them without the overly expressive females in the heat after the MC explicitly.)

KhainiWest Wrote:How the hell do you come up with this? This is your basic underlining point, which is why I'm disregarding the rest of it. There are 76 filler episodes throughout the entirity of one piece. That's 611 episodes, 76 of them are disregarded, that's 12%. You're trying to put the blunt of your argument on a 12% statistic. Not only that, but majority of the filler is 2-3 episodes after the main arc, and into the transisition to the next one. And some of the filler is actually good. G8 was fantastic and the longest "filler" to date at 11 episodes.

In fact, you're pretty much shooting yourself in the foot if you bring up how slow fishman island and punk hazard has been, it's the same pace as the frekin manga when it was releasing.

Then you go on about how "dark/indepth" one piece is making it a bad anime, do you know how political ruroni kenshin was? How death note questioned all forms of morality, how code geass pretty much replayed the role jesus christ had? Overall, one piece follows the manga not only accurately, but presents nearly the same information that the manga does. So for you to say it's simply a good manga and not a good anime is kind of..silly

KhainiWest Wrote:I'll argue with this on skype when I get home because too many people are asking us to stop