JoeTang Wrote:They currently have an 80% chance to regenerate themselves, unlike the first four orbs who have a 60% chance.

Zuruzuka Wrote:I find their lack of a party skill disappointing since I love having party skills. I mean, all Heroes have a Party Buff (I'd even take Photic Meditation). That's why I'm thinking of reverting to Marksman to use my wonderful %DEX. Buccaneer would be my second choice, but %STR gears are... meh.

But I'm a Bishop by moonlight. Maximum Party Skillzzzz~

JoeTang Wrote:It's not max damage hits/sec, but million damage/sec.

I've updated the table to be sortable now, and included 100% and 200% Additional Boss Damages, as well as the GMS specific changes. This now puts GMS's Angelic Buster and Kaiser at the very top, though I do expect that GMS's Angelic Buster to receive a nerf to Soul Seeker so that the regenerated orbs actually have the same regeneration rate as the first four orbs summoned. They currently have an 80% chance to regenerate themselves, unlike the first four orbs who have a 60% chance.

[MENTION=7678]ShinkuDragon[/MENTION] this also puts Dark Knights at the bottom of the list further since a significant part of their already low damage comes from 60% Total Damage from Berserk, meaning additional boss damage affects them even less.

ShinkuDragon Wrote:i believe we discussed this already, but in GMS zerk stacks multiplicatively with boss and total damage potential

ShinkuDragon Wrote:i believe we discussed this already, but in GMS zerk stacks multiplicatively with boss and total damage potential

Even Wrote:I need to ask, why is mercedes hitting about 24.1 arrows per sec while bm is doing around 23.37? Isnt bm supposed to hit about 3 arrows per hit if AFA triggers and 2 if it doesnt? (with hyper split damage). Do they have some hidden attack speed bonus that I dont know about? Is Wind of Frey and inferno dot damage included here?

LiquidSwing Wrote:wow this makes me mad. wtp? DrKs are one of my favorite classes, I never knew this. wtp is nexon thinking?

JoeTang Wrote:Wind of Frey's dot is included as 1 hit per second when it's active. Phoenix attacks significantly faster than Elemental Knights and hits twice. Elite Puppet itself also attacks. Mercedes also have to use Legendary Spear.

Even Wrote:So why is legendary spear added to this if defense reduction doesnt matter? I know a lot of these things arent how it looks on paper. Because a lot of other things like abnormal status resistance and so on makes a big difference but I just dont see a point to use legendary spear on a 0% def mob.

JoeTang Wrote:It does matter because it's one of the ways a Mercedes gets to deal 100% Defense Ignore. You would prefer the Mercedes have one line less of boss damage? Because I'm sure every Mercedes would prefer sacrificing the extra 100%/s and 1 hits/s to be able to have 40% more boss damage unless they actually hit 50m with each line of Ishtar and AFA without it.

JoeTang Wrote:Wind of Frey's dot is included as 1 hit per second when it's active. Phoenix attacks significantly faster than Elemental Knights and hits twice. Elite Puppet itself also attacks. Mercedes also have to use Legendary Spear.



I'm confused why one of your favourite classes being better at something than other classes would make you mad.

Even Wrote:Ye I guess that makes sense. This means it gives 40% ignore def to everyone whos attacking the debuffed mob, I like that

LiquidSwing Wrote:I thought multiplicative was worse than additive?

in league, multiplicative is worse because each instance of a state multiples into the others. Armor Pen works this way

Shouldnt additive be better? where it is a simple 30% boss damage + 30% boss damage = 60%? where multiplicative would be 30% x 0.30 = 39% boss damage?

i may be mis-understanding how maplestory uses multiplicative

JoeTang Wrote:I don't think we have. Is this actual observed damage? Screenshots perhaps?

IllegallySane Wrote:>The GMS ABs nearly 50% stronger than Kaisers.

This baffles me, because I was sure that ABs got nerfed hard, and that the CMS version was weaker than the KMS versions. I find it crazy that Soul Seeker over Trinity alone would make ABs rack up damage so hard.

ShinkuDragon Wrote:actual observed damage, just from my side though, before i procceed though:

need me to get a second viewer to confirm the numbers?
AB's link skill is supposed to be what? %attack, damage, etc, and how is it supposed to stack? i should check that one too while i'm at it i say.

edit: i'm pretty sure it's the same for heroes too*

SaptaZapta Wrote:1) 10049% is about 100x, so if your hypothetical mech had 10k range, 10049% of that is about 100x10k = 1m.

2) The reason for the difference is the damage cap. There is a point at which increasing your range won't increase your overall total damage output per minute, simply because all your hits are already capping. The point differs between classes because some have few big hits per attack, and some have lots of little (in terms of %) hits, each of which has plenty of room to grow.