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ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - Bladester - 2013-03-17
It's hard to control Hayato? I don't intentionally mean to sound rude here, but how did you not get a good handle on the character from leveling him?
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - JoeTang - 2013-03-17
Link Wrote:You'll have to ask [MENTION=535]JoeTang[/MENTION] about hits per second. I remember him saying Shinsoku Musou only hits 9 or so hits per second, which seems off to me, but I'm not the math wiz here.
But try using Senpuuzan to keep a boss away from the wall, then Yousousen + Sanrenzan spam them to death. That's what I do. It's quick and simple. Then again, I don't hit cap, so I don't know if that is the best combination for someone who hits cap damage.
Shinsoku Musou + Yousousen does more hits/s than Sanrenzan + Yousousen at 15.72 hits/s at speed cap, but 1000%/s less damage.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - ultimax21 - 2013-03-17
Bladester Wrote:It's hard to control Hayato? I don't intentionally mean to sound rude here, but how did you not get a good handle on the character from leveling him?
If its just training, I can handle it easily, I was referring to dojo, where I just LOVEEEE to double tap up at the portal and the door just to go up so I waste literally 3-5 secs just trying to get up there and doubling the amount of time required to even get dojo done. Then when I spam sanrenzan on the stupid portal and move just slightly few puny pixel inches off the portal I can't even go up through the portal at all because I'm in between off and on, so it won't let me in forcing me to double tap up ONCE AGAIN. You do dojo for the 1st time on Hayato and tell me how well you do, because I spent at least half the effort on another character like DB or phantoms, and score 2 times better than I would on Hayato then again, this is gears saying everything.
JoeTang Wrote:Shinsoku Musou + Yousousen does more hits/s than Sanrenzan + Yousousen at 15.72 hits/s at speed cap, but 1000%/s less damage.
Thank you, this seems more feasible to me sometimes, since the spawn timing gets horrendous with you being too far from the portal or too busy moving left and right to get a decent dojo time. Highly unlikely to get Shinsoku to cap damage before Sanrenzan sadly, and just so much harder. I guess its really a good bossing skill only when you cap damage like so many skills out there.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - IllegallySane - 2013-03-18
Curious question. Do you know if Warrior's Heart procs on every single crit, or only procs once per enemy/attack?
Also, how long do the buffs for Willow Dodge and Jinsoku last? I would sure as hell enjoy some free +30% damage and take 35% less damage for an entire boss fight/training session.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - ultimax21 - 2013-03-18
Willow dodge is like 5 secs, it will rebuff itself if you manage to stack it some more, but caps at 5. Warrior's heart is 30% per crit like it says, after using hitokiri, you should be able to activate it enough times for most areas. Jinsoku is so short I don't even notice it, then again I have it at lvl 21 oh well.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - IllegallySane - 2013-03-20
Alright. So I got the level 70 box. Which of the 4 skills should I get the level 30 version?
Shinsoku?
Hitokiri Strike?
Jinsoku?
Cleaver?
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - Manu - 2013-03-21
IllegallySane Wrote:Alright. So I got the level 70 box. Which of the 4 skills should I get the level 30 version?
Shinsoku?
Hitokiri Strike?
Jinsoku?
Cleaver?
Cleaver is the one you max first.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - zantgx - 2013-03-21
Any advice to make my Hayato Survive HoH?
He has 15k HP.
He takes 6000 HP or 7000 HP hits.
All skills max except Shinsoku
I feel like its Dark Knights all over.
Should I HP WASH?
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - ultimax21 - 2013-03-21
HB, SE, and healing familiars help, all of which is obtainable via nebs and purchasing in fm. I actually don't even use HB for my hayato and I got him to lvl 200 there just fine.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - Manu - 2013-03-21
zantgx Wrote:Any advice to make my Hayato Survive HoH?
He has 15k HP.
He takes 6000 HP or 7000 HP hits.
All skills max except Shinsoku
I feel like its Dark Knights all over.
Should I HP WASH?
You can take 2 hits, why are you dying...
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - zantgx - 2013-03-21
Manu Wrote:You can take 2 hits, why are you dying...
I am unsure of that myself
I am used to playing thieves and assassins with high dodge
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - Link - 2013-03-21
Hayato has an 85% chance to not take damage at all. With that HP, that dodge rate, and the ability to heal yourself, you shouldn't be having any issues at all.
However, make sure you have Kaiser's link skill, full character card decks (if you have S rank decks, that's 1,400 HP), and any HP-giving gear you can find. Maybe try getting some %HP potential on your gear.
HP washing isn't a bad idea, though. If you can do that, your survivability for every situation would go up immensely.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - Aggravate - 2013-03-21
zantgx Wrote:I am unsure of that myself
I am used to playing thieves and assassins with high dodge
Most NL's get killed in 2 hits as well if they're at HoH.
Hayato has 20% Evasion Rate, 20% Dodge Rate, higher defense, and actual damage reduction over a NL. You shouldn't be dying at all. Use Honsters or even Power Elixirs.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - zantgx - 2013-03-21
Link Wrote:Hayato has an 85% chance to not take damage at all. With that HP, that dodge rate, and the ability to heal yourself, you shouldn't be having any issues at all.
However, make sure you have Kaiser's link skill, full character card decks (if you have S rank decks, that's 1,400 HP), and any HP-giving gear you can find. Maybe try getting some %HP potential on your gear.
HP washing isn't a bad idea, though. If you can do that, your survivability for every situation would go up immensely.
Ah ty Link for the information
I never created a Kaiser and not many S rank cards
I guess I'll look into HP washing methods I've never done it before
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - ultimax21 - 2013-03-21
Aggravate Wrote:Most NL's get killed in 2 hits as well if they're at HoH.
While true, Hayato still has more hp than NLs. I ended my hayato's day stripped him clean and left him with about 15k hp at lvl 200? Or was it 16k? 19 ap into hp, no kaiser link, just character deck, that's without the 20% hp buff btw.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - ChronosXIII - 2013-04-06
Hikarasu+Dankuusen and Hikarasu+Senpuuzan can be spammed to hilarious results when Hayato is right next to the edge of the screen.
And Senpuuzan+Dankuusen can also be used for horizontal mobility, if you press them sequentially fast enough, but neither provides invincibility frames.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - hadriel - 2013-04-07
Just to add on, Sweeping Sword right at the edge of the screen, facing the edge, bounces you back away from the edge lol, but it can be useful because it pulls mobs behind you as well in this case.
My usual combo is (Whirlwind Cut) -> Sweeping Sword -> Dankuusen for the massive mob gathering/rushing and reductions in delay from skill chaining. The only problem is... Falcon Drive chains from/into Whirlwind Cut and Dankuusen, but not from Sweeping Sword so that does annoy me to hell. A full combo in 4th job would be Sweeping Sword -> Whirlwind Cut -> Falcon Drive -> Dankuusen -> Sweeping Sword... But I rarely use this.
Hadriel
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - CJScarlet - 2013-04-22
An additional warning that I feel should be added here:
If a boss has damage reflect active and procs counter-attack by hitting you, that will in turn activate the damage reflect on you.
And from my experience with Hilla, this apparently will hit from across the screen.
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - zantgx - 2013-04-22
CJScarlet Wrote:An additional warning that I feel should be added here:
If a boss has damage reflect active and procs counter-attack by hitting you, that will in turn activate the damage reflect on you.
And from my experience with Hilla, this apparently will hit from across the screen.
what if Hayato counter-attacks the damage reflect? is that even possible?
ShiKage's Ultimate Hayato Guide - hadriel - 2013-04-22
Most likely it will proc-bounce until you die. That would be the most sensible outcome, since DR is "100%" but counter is not.
Hadriel