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Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
Locked Wrote:It's better off going to someone who can contribute to everyone else. Let's face it your amazing 1854%/s isn't going to get us anywhere.
Bolded for emphasis.
This is assuming no defence.
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
Locked Wrote:As I stated previously, unless I was desperate (which in your scenario I am) I wouldn't take a Corsair (unless it's beyond funded).I guess I can take solace in the fact that you discriminate against more than my hypothetical bishop. I want to optimize exp for the party in this hypothetical, if you personally don't recruit for LHC around that idea that's dandy but not exactly a counterargument.
I also don't like pirates.
Post ascension Bishop build - Takebacker - 2011-09-27
Damage is not a substitute for a lower exp modifier.
Hint: HS is an experience modifier.
Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:I guess I can take solace in the fact that you discriminate against more than my hypothetical bishop. I want to optimize exp for the party in this hypothetical, if you personally don't recruit for LHC around that idea that's dandy but not exactly a counterargument.
Just pirates. Nothing else.
You ignored my counterargument though above.
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:Sure, here's a scenario:
A 199 BM (best dps as of jump, I think) is making a party on CH1 bearwolves. There are six other people looking for a party, ranked in order of their dps:
a sair
a NL
a bam
a hsless bishop
a bucc
a support bishop
Guess who he shouldn't bring? Hint: it's not the hsless bishop.
I bolded something extra this time, lets see if takebacker reads it the third time or not.
EDIT:
Locked Wrote:You ignored my counterargument though above.Sorry, what point are you making? Bishops have a low % damage modifier in charts but its not inconceivable that they have enough funding to outdamage some other class.
Post ascension Bishop build - donovan - 2011-09-27
I think he just doesn't like Pirates.
Post ascension Bishop build - Takebacker - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:I bolded something extra this time, lets see if he reads it the third time or not.
I'm assuming this is to me in which case last time i'll respond because it doesn't matter if you can't understand s'hit.
The support bishop has low damage and HS. The other one is opposite. Choose the HS-less and you are trading a lower exp modifier for damage. This is the worst trade in the world for maximizing exp gain because unless you kill like 1.5x the mobs (as a bishop LOL) compared to when the party didn't have you, you aren't helping much.
Get it now?
Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
Yeah I'd still take the Buccaneer over the HSless bishop even if he did max damage with Angel Ray with a Slow 7 staff (because elemental wands have a 25% elemental penalty on holy it'd be counterproductive to use one unless it had about 300+ matk on it). That'd only lead to like 71 casts a minute. Other classes do this 1. Much faster and 2. Much better.
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
Takebacker Wrote:I'm assuming this is to me in which case last time i'll respond because it doesn't matter if you can't understand s'hit.I get your point, which is a complete nonissue because you don't seem to grasp the entire reason I made the hypothetical. It's not hs bishop vs hsless bishop.
The support bishop has low damage and HS. The other one is opposite. Choose the HS-less and you are trading a lower exp modifier for damage. This is the worst trade in the world for maximizing exp gain because unless you kill 1.5x the mobs (as a bishop LOL), you aren't helping much.
Get it now?
When deciding if you bring a hsless bishop, or any other attacker, you compare them with the other attackers, not the bishop with hs you absolutely should be bringing if you want to train anyway. The bucc doesn't get to come because it does less damage than everyone but the HSer and its buffs are useless in this case.
Now go cry.
Locked Wrote:Yeah I'd still take the Buccaneer over the HSless bishop even if he did max damage with Angel Ray with a Slow 7 staff (because elemental wands have a 25% elemental penalty on holy it'd be counterproductive to use one unless it had about 300+ matk on it). That'd only lead to like 71 casts a minute. Other classes do this 1. Much faster and 2. Much better.Cast speed isn't affected by weapon speed except for F/Ps casting explosion. Bishops also get booster as of jump. If you are arguing that the richest bishop can't outdamage the poorest bucc you're absolutely wrong, I don't know what more I can say.
Post ascension Bishop build - Blades4hire - 2011-09-27
Why would the richest bishop have no points in HS?
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
Because rich people are often silly and eccentric
Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:Cast speed isn't affected by weapon speed except for F/Ps casting explosion. Bishops also get booster as of jump. If you are arguing that the richest bishop can't outdamage the poorest bucc you're absolutely wrong, I don't know what more I can say.
Not my point, even if they weren't effected by booster (oh no) that's only 74 casts a minute since they're all Normal 6.
Once again O_o still slow.
Post ascension Bishop build - Blades4hire - 2011-09-27
This hypothetical situation is stupid.
Just saying.
Post ascension Bishop build - Eliseo - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:Because rich people are often silly and eccentric
You just summarized what the "attacker" bishops are. There are bishops without heal, dark knights without HB.
But well, this game is all about funding. Easy enough. I don't get why most of you keep debating this.
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
Locked Wrote:Not my point, even if they weren't effected by booster (oh no) that's only 74 casts a minute since they're all Normal 6.Ok, but could you please explain what your point is that's relevant to my argument? If you have a personal bias for the numbers to appear faster rather than adding up to something higher that's certainly your prerogative, but it doesn't make the bucc any less weak than the hsless crazy old rich guy bishop who I made explicitly to make a point you're trying your damndest to avoid.
Once again O_o still slow.
And just so you know, bishop and AM casting speed with booster is going to be fast 4 (not including explosion afaik) as of jump.
Eliseo Wrote:You just summarized what the "attacker" bishops are. There are bishops without heal, dark knights without HB.Most people here play a chibi Korean MMO, we're all silly.
But well, this game is all about funding. Easy enough. I don't get why most of you keep debating this.
Post ascension Bishop build - Blades4hire - 2011-09-27
I don't understand the point of this argument.
Dannys not going to take the bishop.
Exidous can do nothing about it.
What are we fighting about?
Post ascension Bishop build - Atuan - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:Because rich people are often silly and eccentric
Eccentric and silly.
Not retarded.
Post ascension Bishop build - Eliseo - 2011-09-27
Atuan Wrote:Eccentric and silly.
Not retarded.
And that, my friend, makes it worse.
Post ascension Bishop build - Takebacker - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:Now go cry.
For you? I might. I just might.
You can make up whatever hypothetical you want. No one is going to take a retard bishop with 1-2m DPS and no HS who sucks up all the exp for anyone weaker over HS.
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
K, he obviously doesn't read my posts, will someone else please explain to him what's going on before I facepalm again