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Ignore def doesn't stack - SaptaZapta - 2011-08-20
Blades4hire Wrote:Phantom blow is ignoring PDR as it's supposed to.
I can post pics/calcs if you want.
Stereo observed Blast to be ignoring far more def than it should.
I saw more ignore def on my hero than should rightfully be there, I don't know whether it's Combat Mastery or something else.
That's what I meant. Skills work, but do they work exactly as described?
Ignore def doesn't stack - SaptaZapta - 2011-08-20
Kalovale Wrote:Did I mention that the Codex's Ignore %DEF works on normal mobs?
It does? I saw no difference in damage with and without it, on Chief Oblivion Guardians. They're normal mobs, right?
Ignore def doesn't stack - Kalovale - 2011-08-20
SaptaZapta Wrote:It does? I saw no difference in damage with and without it, on Chief Oblivion Guardians. They're normal mobs, right?
I'll reproduce it and take a screencapture, be right back.
Edit: Okay, I don't even know anymore.
Max range: 12859 clean
Max range with no Ignore PDR: 12859 * (1 - 0.1) = 11573
Max range with Ignore PDR 30% (Codex): 12859 * (1 - 0.1*0.7) = 11958
Max range with Ignore PDR 2.5% (Ambition): 12859 * (1 - 0.1*0.975) = 11605
Achieved damage:
Spoiler
Highest I got in a 5-minute-long whacking streak was 1177x, still a good margin from 11958.. It's somewhere a bit more than what Ambition gives, but nowhere close to what Codex gives, let alone both.
![[Image: FlGff.png]](http://i.imgur.com/FlGff.png)
Ignore def doesn't stack - Liteness - 2011-08-20
oh while we're on ignore def the description on sacrifice says it doesn't ignore def on bosses, false or true? o.o
Ignore def doesn't stack - ShinkuDragon - 2011-08-20
Liteness Wrote:oh while we're on ignore def the description on sacrifice says it doesn't ignore def on bosses, false or true? o.o
can't be more false.
Ignore def doesn't stack - VerrKol - 2011-08-23
EDIT: @Locked @Blades4hire added more math for clarity... Make sense now?
Found a small error in the crusade calculations, but it didn't change the result.
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Did my own testing on my BM.
Here's my my equips, obviously no PDR on bow. I've got lvl39 ambition (3.5% PDR)
![[Image: pdrtestclean.jpg]](http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1953/pdrtestclean.jpg)
For all testing I used golems (DEF = .25)
Assuming only MMS works damage should be:
PDR*DEF .2*.25 = .05
DEF-IgnDef .25-05 = .2
Damage after PDR: 1-.2 = .8
Min: .8(17287) = 13829
Max: .8(20338) = 16270
Assuming MMS and Ambition are additive:
PDR*DEF (.2+.035)*.25 = .05875
DEF-IgnDef .25-.05875 = .19125
Damage after PDR: 1-.19125 = .80875
Min: .80875(17287) = 13980
Max: .80875(20338) = 16448
Assuming MMS and Ambition (for god alone knows what reason) order sensitive:
PDR*DEF .2*25 = .05
.035*(.25-.05) = .007
DEF-IgnDef .2-.007 = .193
Damage after PDR: 1-.193 = .807
Min: .807(172878) = 13950
Max .807(20338) = 16412
After about 5min of attacking i got
![[Image: pdrtestmin.jpg]](http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4092/pdrtestmin.jpg)
So ambition either doesn't stack or is being rounded off to nothing.
Which means I can calculate MMS + Crusade set as:
PDR*DEF (.2+.15)*.25 = .0875
DEF-IgnDef .25-.0875 = .16625
Damage after PDR: 1-.16625 = .83375
Min: .83375(17287) = 14413
Max: .83375(20338) = 16956
And I got:
![[Image: pdrtestmincrusade.jpg]](http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/7073/pdrtestmincrusade.jpg)
So at the very least, the crusade bonus does NOT stack at LHC but MMS does. I'll try normal mobs later today.
Ignore def doesn't stack - Locked - 2011-08-23
Your math..
..it makes no sense.
Ignore def doesn't stack - Blades4hire - 2011-08-23
Locked Wrote:Your math..
..it makes no sense.
Ignore def doesn't stack - StopMe - 2011-08-24
Kalovale Wrote:From my own testing, it doesn't seem Ignore Defense 30% works on bosses, at least Dojo bosses. Can someone confirm/deny this?
Same testing method proved that it works on normal mobs (Rash with 10% PDR).
I can confirm this.
I have 30% ignore on dagger, 20% from phantom, 30% from leafre set (80% ignore).
My damage on PB has not raised one bit since pre chaos.
Can't really factor phantom in.. cause, yea...
I tried on mano for the dojo situation. No damage increase either.
Ignore def doesn't stack - shouri - 2011-08-25
StopMe Wrote:I can confirm this.
I have 30% ignore on dagger, 20% from phantom, 30% from leafre set (80% ignore).
My damage on PB has not raised one bit since pre chaos.
Can't really factor phantom in.. cause, yea...
I tried on mano for the dojo situation. No damage increase either.
Did we ever find out if ignore def is multiplicative or additive? I thought it was mutliplicative.
e.g.
20% ignore & 20% ignore = 36% ignore total (1-.8*.8)
((or in your case it's 60.8% ignore))
Ignore def doesn't stack - Locked - 2011-08-25
shouri Wrote:Did we ever find out if ignore def is multiplicative or additive? I thought it was mutliplicative.
e.g.
20% ignore & 20% ignore = 36% ignore total (1-.8*.8)
((or in your case it's 60.8% ignore))
Why would boss damage, total damage and everything potential wise be additive and suddenly the retard named Ignore DEF be multiplicative?
Ignore def doesn't stack - IImaplers - 2011-08-25
Maybe I missed something, but I don't understand the outcome so I gotta ask a few questions:
1. Ignore def does not stack on the same weapon (like 15% and 30% being on the same wep wouldn't stack)?
2. Ignore def does not stack on the different weapons (like 15% on a dagger and 30% on a katara wouldn't stack)?
3. What about 15% on a codex to 15% on a weapon, doesn't stack either?
Ignore def doesn't stack - ShinkuDragon - 2011-08-25
IImaplers Wrote:Maybe I missed something, but I don't understand the outcome so I gotta ask a few questions:
1. Ignore def does not stack on the same weapon (like 15% and 30% being on the same wep wouldn't stack)?
2. Ignore def does not stack on the different weapons (like 15% on a dagger and 30% on a katara wouldn't stack)?
3. What about 15% on a codex to 15% on a weapon, doesn't stack either?
>haven't tested it myself, but suppossedly stack
>haven't tested it myself, but suppossedly stack
>they would probably stack, however the codex doesn't even give the 15% ignore, so in this example all you have is 15% on your weapon
Ignore def doesn't stack - Locked - 2011-08-25
The ONLY thing not working is Codex.
Ignore def doesn't stack - Viaje - 2011-08-25
shouri Wrote:Did we ever find out if ignore def is multiplicative or additive? I thought it was mutliplicative.Please stop.
e.g.
20% ignore & 20% ignore = 36% ignore total (1-.8*.8)
((or in your case it's 60.8% ignore))
Ignore def doesn't stack - Kalovale - 2011-08-25
Viaje Wrote:Please stop.
Apples and oranges? Double-layered DEF Ignoring sounds entirely plausible to me.
Ignore def doesn't stack - Lyrics - 2011-08-25
ShinkuDragon Wrote:>they would probably stack, however the codex doesn't even give the 15% ignore, so in this example all you have is 15% on your weapon
I thought this issue was fixed, :f6:.
Ignore def doesn't stack - ShinkuDragon - 2011-08-25
Lyrics Wrote:I thought this issue was fixed, :f6:.
nope, it was found out like a week ago
Ignore def doesn't stack - Lyrics - 2011-08-25
ShinkuDragon Wrote:nope, it was found out like a week agoAnother thing to add to Nexon's bucket list.
Ignore def doesn't stack - CarrionCrow - 2011-08-26
On that note, is it just the 15% ignore options on Codex that's broken, or is the Leafre sets 30% ignore also not working?