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[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Viaje - 2011-05-24
Takebacker Wrote:Heroes coming isn't an "if", it's a "when",This is an absolute fact, a fact which was uncontested by anything I said.
Takebacker Wrote:because they already told us they would finish legends by years end.Source? Because I don't recall ever seeing that.
Takebacker Wrote:No, there's no doubt that she is the archer hero or something related to it.This is pure speculation with absolutely no official backing.
"No doubt"? Hardly.
Even concluding that she's an archer at all is a bit presumptuous.
Nowhere in the video is a bow even shown.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - squirrely - 2011-05-24
Viaje Wrote:-snip-Just because 4.96m is the highest possible damage for pierce, it's impossible to hit 4.96m with pierce. Nobody will have the damage range for that.
As for horntail, its much better to kill off summons and then go back to 1v1 attacks than to try to focus the pierce to hit mobs + horntail. Chances are, the summons will die after a couple of hits anyways, so it's still not as efficient as our 1v1 attacks.
Pierce is good on paper, yes, but with real uses, it does have its flaws.
If we get hit and try to fire a pierce it breaks. If we're going to spend the time to charge and shoot after getting hit, it would have been more efficient to use our 1v1 attacks that automatically registers with the press of a button.
We can fire off 3+ ultimate strafes in most instances instead of using pierce.
If pierce does get a charging reduction and 750%x2, it would help but the above problems still exist.
So the bigger problem is about the uses and efficiency that needs to be fixed. If they fixed the problems stated above and made it go back to a single 1150%, that's still way better than just giving pierce a damage boost.
As for the guy saying nexon is stupid, its not easy to balance two classes let alone all the classes. The fact that they are making balance patches the best they can proves that they want to make the game as balances as possible. You must give credit where its due.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Viaje - 2011-05-24
squirrely Wrote:Just because 4.96m is the highest possible damage for pierce, it's impossible to hit 4.96m with pierce. Nobody will have the damage range for that.I haven't done the math, but "extremely difficult" is not the same as "impossible".
squirrely Wrote:As for horntail, its much better to kill off summons and then go back to 1v1 attacks than to try to focus the pierce to hit mobs + horntail. Chances are, the summons will die after a couple of hits anyways, so it's still not as efficient as our 1v1 attacks.Depending on the player, the summons would likely be dying in one or two hits.
But, again, Horntail has multiple parts.
squirrely Wrote:Pierce is good on paper, yes, but with real uses, it does have its flaws.I understand that.
For example, even the ability to hit multiple parts at Horntail is negated by the general practice (unless it's changed - I haven't been to HT in forever) of taking down specific parts to avoid icky status effects.
squirrely Wrote:If we get hit and try to fire a pierce it breaks. If we're going to spend the time to charge and shoot after getting hit, it would have been more efficient to use our 1v1 attacks that automatically registers with the press of a button.That sucks, but it's good to know.
That would definitely kill the effectiveness at bosses where you can't just stand out of range.
squirrely Wrote:If pierce does get a charging reduction and 750%x2, it would help but the above problems still exist.I'll agree. I don't like charging skills as they are now since they're so easily beaten out by spammable skills (especially if damage can negate a charge).
So the bigger problem is about the uses and efficiency that needs to be fixed. If they fixed the problems stated above and made it go back to a single 1150%, that's still way better than just giving pierce a damage boost
From what you described, it sounds like it'd even be better to straight-forward nerf the %-damage and get rid of a charge-time altogether.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - EndlessAxis - 2011-05-24
ehh just a small request fiel, could you make a pic of what those goggles look like equiped?
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Takebacker - 2011-05-24
Viaje Wrote:Even concluding that she's an archer at all is a bit presumptuous.
Nowhere in the video is a bow even shown.
Only thing i'm going to bother responding to. I know they said legends are being worked on. I just can't find the source.
The character had pointed ears, therefore an elf (or whatever race athena is; 99% sure it's an elf), and because elfs are traditionally archer based (dragon nest...any other MMO)...
Well, you can see where i'm going with this.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - squirrely - 2011-05-24
Viaje Wrote:From what you described, it sounds like it'd even be better to straight-forward nerf the %-damage and get rid of a charge-time altogether.The gamestyle wouldn't be different than a bowmasters or wind archer with wind piercing, so keeping a charge is best.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - FoolsLove - 2011-05-24
Also, we already know she wasn't just some generic filler character. Spadow stated in his blog that stirred up this whole Archer hero thing for us that the press release from Nexon Korea for the video stated she was a new character. It seems rather obvious that she's related to the hero storyline if not the hero herself.
I too would like to see the original source of the other heroes being out by year's end, since that seems to be at the moment just something that was spread around the Maple community without spreading the source too. I certainly wouldn't doubt it though, given that we still have a little over 6 months left in the year.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Viaje - 2011-05-24
Takebacker Wrote:Only thing i'm going to bother responding to. I know they said legends are being worked on. I just can't find the source.I don't want to see a source that says they are being worked on; I want to see a source that says they are due this year.
You're straying from your original statement.
Obviously they are being worked on.
Takebacker Wrote:The character had pointed ears, therefore an elf (or whatever race athena is; 99% sure it's an elf), and because elfs are traditionally archer based (dragon nest...any other MMO)...Every 4th Job instructor has pointed ears.
Well, you can see where i'm going with this.
Maplestory breaks a multitude of "traditions".
That said, "traditionally", elves are also magic users, a trait completely absent in Maplestory.
FoolsLove Wrote:Also, we already know she wasn't just some generic filler character. Spadow stated in his blog that stirred up this whole Archer hero thing for us that the press release from Nexon Korea for the video stated she was a new character.If a character has not been seen before, it is a new character.
A new character can be a filler character. Even Valerie, the pirate, is a generic, filler character whose only purpose in the game is as the third singer on-stage for whatever event KMS has going on.
You're making logical leaps that simply are not there.
FoolsLove Wrote:It seems rather obvious that she's related to the hero storyline if not the hero herself.Based. On. What?
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Takebacker - 2011-05-24
Viaje Wrote:I don't want to see a source that says they are being worked on; I want to see a source that says they are due this year.
You're straying from your original statement.
Obviously they are being worked on.
You're twisting my words to get a different outcome when you know i meant the same thing i said. Being worked on or due this year; both are true.
I know you want to see the source. I too would like to see where i read that.
Viaje Wrote:Every 4th Job instructor has pointed ears.
Good to know.
Enjoy the release of the other heroes!
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - FoolsLove - 2011-05-24
Viaje Wrote:If a character has not been seen before, it is a new character.
A new character can be a filler character. Even Valerie, the pirate, is a generic, filler character whose only purpose in the game is as the third singer on-stage for whatever event KMS has going on.
You're making logical leaps that simply are not there.
Based. On. What?
Yes, because Nexon Korea would give a press release stating that she's a new character only for her to have zero use.
I'm not sure what more you need to at least believe she's related to the story in some way.
>Is an Elf, archery is associated with Elves, whether or not Maple "breaks tradition"
>When first shown in video, is wearing clothes that has a style not seen anywhere else
>As stated in a press release, a new character, in a video with other characters from hero storylines
>Dances alone in a new, unknown area
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Haseo - 2011-05-24
She could always be a new npc for another set of planned pqs.
Or a new event character. But I think that the archer double jump heralds the release of a new hero, with a flash jump-like skill that looks twice as flashy.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Viaje - 2011-05-24
Takebacker Wrote:You're twisting my words to get a different outcome when you know i meant the same thing i said. Being worked on or due this year; both are true.No, I didn't know you meant the same thing.
"I know they said legends are being worked on" is in no way the same as "they already told us they would finish legends by years end." The latter implies the former, but the former does in no way mean the latter is true.
Don't accuse me of twisting words when I simply repeated them.
FoolsLove Wrote:Yes, because Nexon Korea would give a press release stating that she's a new character only for her to have zero use.They didn't give a press release specifically to say she's a new character, did they?
That said, I have yet to see the entirety of the press release even linked, yet alone translated, and people are going crazy because some dude with a blog said one sentence that was summarized without context.
FoolsLove Wrote:I'm not sure what more you need to at least believe she's related to the story in some way.How about mention of the Black Mage?
Some reference to being a Legend?
She doesn't even have a damn name.
FoolsLove Wrote:>Is an Elf, archery is associated with Elves, whether or not Maple "breaks tradition"I want to take a moment to point out that she could easily be a "fairy" since she appears to have wings at one point. Elves aren't the only mystical creatures with pointed ears.
And whether or not Maple "breaks tradition" is, in fact, important, because it means that carrying over presumptions from other universes is dangerous.
FoolsLove Wrote:>When first shown in video, is wearing clothes that has a style not seen anywhere elseRelevance?
FoolsLove Wrote:>As stated in a press release, a new character, in a video with other characters from hero storylinesUm. False. There are not "other characters from hero storylines.
There is Aran and Lilin, two characters from the same hero storyline.
Leading them is Cygnus, and joining them is Valerie, a generic pirate character who was given a name simply for a musical event.
FoolsLove Wrote:>Dances alone in a new, unknown areaLooks like Ereve to me.
Haseo Wrote:She could always be a new npc for another set of planned pqs.Thank you!
Or a new event character. But I think that the archer double jump heralds the release of a new hero, with a flash jump-like skill that looks twice as flashy.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Tukkun - 2011-05-24
Sorry if this has been posted before, but Lord Pirate PQ requires Lv. 70+ and has a recommended level of 30~69?
Those "revamped" PQs are actually pretty nice though.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Kirov - 2011-05-24
Rewards aside am I the only one who thinks those two new PQs are pretty terrible? They look like something whipped together on a private sever. After having an 8th anniversary you would expect them to produce something far less bland than essentially kill mobs, move on to next map. Then at the end they didnt even bother to make a new boss for each PQ, they just reused two old ones.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Alilatias - 2011-05-24
Viaje Wrote:Source? Because I don't recall ever seeing that.
Freaking took me forever to track this down. Didn't think this was that long ago. Somewhere about halfway down the page in the comments section.
http://spadow.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/maplestory-big-bang-update/
In a recent interview, a person asked what happened with the other three heroes and they were told that the remaining three heroes are considered to be released next year. The background stories etc. have already been prepared.
That was almost a year ago, though. Seems like plans have changed.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - MetaSeraphim - 2011-05-24
Alilatias Wrote:That was almost a year ago, though. Seems like plans have changed.
Still got a good 6+ months to go. Who knows what will happen.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - Viaje - 2011-05-24
Alilatias Wrote:Freaking took me forever to track this down. Didn't think this was that long ago. Somewhere about halfway down the page in the comments section.Thank you for locating that.
http://spadow.wordpress.com/2010/07/01/maplestory-big-bang-update/
In a recent interview, a person asked what happened with the other three heroes and they were told that the remaining three heroes are considered to be released next year. The background stories etc. have already been prepared.
That was almost a year ago, though. Seems like plans have changed.
Unsourced claims drive me crazy...
I'll take his word for it, despite the fact that I really wish we could see this interview.
Of course, like you said, "seems like plans have changed."
Even in Spadow's quote, he said Nexon said "the remaining three heroes are considered to be released next year," which isn't very absolute.
MetaSeraphim Wrote:Still got a good 6+ months to go. Who knows what will happen.True fact.
Just no reason to assume everything is a sign of a new hero.
And, while the Resistance classes came out within a very close time period, it would be a big change of pace to release three heroes in six months, especially considering the fact that we have two more Adventurer branches that need a Jump-equivalent.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - MetaSeraphim - 2011-05-24
Viaje Wrote:Just no reason to assume everything is a sign of a new hero.
To many people 95% of the fun that comes from patches is speculation.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - darkmonkey13 - 2011-05-24
Kirov Wrote:Rewards aside am I the only one who thinks those two new PQs are pretty terrible? They look like something whipped together on a private sever. After having an 8th anniversary you would expect them to produce something far less bland than essentially kill mobs, move on to next map. Then at the end they didnt even bother to make a new boss for each PQ, they just reused two old ones.
They look decent, at least. None of the PQ's are really all that original. They all have a mixture of jump quests, mob killing, item gathering, or guessing portals. The bosses, I'll admit, are a little weak. Ani is a major part of LHC, and Pianus is already the area boss for Aqua road. But Nexon needed to finally make a PQ for Aqua Road. And at least the Hoblin PQ and Dragon Rider PQ are getting revamped.
I like the reward items, it's been too long that we've been getting crappy rewards from the boss. A wAtt belt and glasses are something that most players can't get without a lot of funding or luck.
I do not think that the archer hero will be released next, purely because there are no signs of the release. On the other hand, the new NPCs signal something important for the Pirate class, possibly either the hero or the Pirate balancing, or both.
[1.2.382] Archer Skill Changes - SwordStaker - 2011-05-24
darkmonkey13 Wrote:They look decent, at least. None of the PQ's are really all that original. They all have a mixture of jump quests, mob killing, item gathering, or guessing portals. The bosses, I'll admit, are a little weak. Ani is a major part of LHC, and Pianus is already the area boss for Aqua road. But Nexon needed to finally make a PQ for Aqua Road. And at least the Hoblin PQ and Dragon Rider PQ are getting revamped.The thought that it would be an archer hero just goes with the "pattern of classes". With the IDS being layed out 1,2,3,4,5 with 3 being archer. Who knows
I like the reward items, it's been too long that we've been getting crappy rewards from the boss. A wAtt belt and glasses are something that most players can't get without a lot of funding or luck.
I do not think that the archer hero will be released next, purely because there are no signs of the release. On the other hand, the new NPCs signal something important for the Pirate class, possibly either the hero or the Pirate balancing, or both.