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For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - ChaosCorpse - 2008-08-05
Seeing as I don't really buy things anymore as I'm saving up for when the alchemy forging system comes out, I'm not all that affected financially. I must admit, I was a victim of the bowman bandwagon... sort of... for third job that is... back when it first came out.
I made a bunch of chars for trying each class out up to lvl 15 and I liked bowmen the most. After hearing the hype on the strength of Snipers and the fact that they were had an affiliation with ice, I jumped on board for them. I did test the types before deciding... but I guess in the end I still bandwagoned.
... but I'm going to assume you were referring to the 4th job bandwagon with SE and Bowmasters and all, so you can just ignore what I've said.
Really though it does not bother me that people want to play a certain class for a certain skill. What does bother me, however, is when people just leach characters for "X-Skill" mules. They run into trouble trying to use people so they just make one for themselves? Or is it that they don't want to try making an actual friend of someone in the class? The same can be said to a greater scale for DKs though.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Sn1perJohnE - 2008-08-05
the only positive i have been able to see from the bandwagon effect is sell back of items bought before 4th job. I recently scrolled a new bow which did cost me more than i would have paid at one time, but when selling my old 106/2 Arund, i was able to sell it for over 40 mil what it cost when i originally scrolled it. This gave me the opportunity to upgrade more of my items, but not enough with the raised prices >_>
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Hotshot - 2008-08-07
Ranylyn Wrote:I never really asked this one, not that I recall, though I have shoved my views in others' faces... so here's the question.
With the release of 4th job, and skills like Sharp Eyes, Hurricane, and Snipe, has the bandwagon of players flocking from other classes affected you in any way, shape or form? Are you losing training spots to them? Are you finding yourself lacking motivation recently? Have you noticed others treating you differently for being a bowman?
Personally, I have no problem with people playing what they want to play, but the bowman bandwagon sickened me to the point where I almost quit my hunter. I've gained a whopping 4 levels (more like 1 from training, two from being begged to CPQ, and one because my girlfriend was playing my hunter) since 4th job came out because quite frankly, I can't stand it. I remember when people talked to me just because I was a hunter. I remember back when people thought bowmen were nice. But now....
I look around, and what do I see? Bowmen everywhere, with sauna robes and brown work gloves and snowshoes and brown bamboo hats, promptly being replaced by Zhelms at level 50 exactly. I see pricks tarnishing the bowman name with KSing a-la-sin-style, people cursing me out because "You're a nobody until you can be my SE mule. And quite frankly... it's driven me to the point I've wanted to quit my beloved hunter entirely.
Has it affected anyone else this negatively? People tell me to stop whining and get over it, but is it so hard to have people not peach at me for not having SE at level 47? I mean seriously.....
With Sharp Eyes, bowmen of all sorts now have a major role to play in boss parties. With SoA BMs can now do nearly as much damage as sins even without SE. For the marksmen, pierce isn't exactly useful at bosses, but SE still ensures us a party slot in most cases, and our training and instead of getting an attack that replaces everything, we get two attacks to add to our arsenal of awesomeness.
Anyway, even the xbowmen get bandwagoned from time to time, and as I'm sure was mentinoed already, prices for both bows and crossbows are pretty rediculous. Other people playing archers "because they're good in 4th job" doesn't bother me, and most of those people will quit anyway, like other bandwagoners. I've never had anyone say anything about SE to me, and I defientely won't be anyone's SE slave anywhere. SE might be my most useful quality, but the TT mules would be lost without me, so I'm hardly a slave.
As it becomes easier to be rich and cheaper to buy zhelms, naturally a lot more people will get themselves helmed. I was one of those 'bathrobe bamboo to zhelm at around 50' people and just because I did a lot of damage doesn't mean I was a bad person for it, does it? Oh and while this latest sniper was made early this summer, my last one is about two years old, so he was made well before 4th job was even being talked about.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - silverquiver - 2008-08-07
(I'm a little late in this thread sorry)
On-topic: Yes it has affected me, I've been playing a bowman since beta and back then it used to mean something. People would ask about how hard it must be to play as a bowman and how I must level so slow. They also knew that bowman were the nicest people in the game but now.... I just hit level 90 on my bowman like last week but I see people start bowmans and get them to level 12x in 2 months. It also hurts my mesos, I can't afford a metus because any metus with decent attack is around 90 mill, I barely have half that. I wish these people would go back to their sins....
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Spiral - 2008-08-12
I figure if you wanna peach about people trying a new class because of new skills...it's just a waste of time. I'm cool with new people trying archers. I didn't make an archer because I wanted to join the bandwagon, I just never got around to making one until Leathermouth. Everyone in GMS needs to stop judging people..it's uncool...
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - DarkestTempest - 2008-08-14
More or less so, yeah. I'm a Marksman so I don't get affected as much, but other decent gears are really expensive right now, and since I don't merch it's hard for me to make money to actually afford those stuffs.
I'm not really too concerned with that though - Change happens. The advent of SE definitely changed the bowman community - for better in some aspects, and for worse in others - but it's just something that we have to learn to deal with.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Five Second Pose - 2008-08-20
Well, I started a crossbowman two years ago, and it's only level 43, I get called a bandwagoner from time to time. Also, I used to be the only crossbowman for miles before, now I usually end up with one in my CPQ parties.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Technolink - 2008-08-20
I remember when it was rare to see a crossbowman in LPQ, or in a guild.
Although we are still a small class, its not nearly to the extent it used to be. As for gear, I've pretty much leveled with the inflation, I seem to be able to afford what I need as I go along, I've never had trouble.
Unfortunately, whenver I'm in a APQ and someone shouts "SE please", I can't help but F7 *is a lvl 10x sniper*
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - FelixTM - 2008-08-23
I've been on my bowman for over 3 years now, so I've experienced all the up's and down's of our lovely economy. Yeah, I can remember when things used to be great. It was so rare to see a bowman and a lot of pride came with being one. Scrolls and bows were awesomely priced. But even now, with all the idiots playing bowman and our horribly overpriced items, I still enjoy being a bowman just as much as I did back then. Why? Because I haven't let all the stupidity affect me. I just do what I can to get by, and it works for me. *shrugs*
I could go on and on about how much I hate all the hackers, dupers, meso buyers and leechfegs that have ruined our economy and class...but there's just no point. I play my character with my morals - that's what matters to me. Plus, I have the enjoyment of experiencing this game since the beginning, playing and training through all the different hardships. As a result, I'm far better with and way more attached to my character than most of the bowman nowadays could ever hope to be. <3
Long live the original bowman!
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - DarkGenzo - 2008-08-25
In all honesty, it kind of makes me sad that so many people are going "ZOMG ARCHURS R DA BEST" and becomes one.
Just today, I helped a Bishop kill the Headless Horseman, and she thanks me and says "It's rare to see a Bowmaster like you. Most of them try to KS instead of help." I remember a couple years ago when I started this game - I barely saw any bowmen. Throughout my entire Maple life as a bowman, I was told that bowmen suck and their damage sucks and they train slow and blah blah. Now, with the rise of 4th jobs, everyone wants to turn to become a bowman. So, I guess, it has affected me. It's made me a little angry that our class isn't as 'special' anymore.
Also, like everyone else has said - 8 to 10 million meso 30% bow scrolls? No thanks. 150million meso Sharp Eyes? No thanks.
Also, I think I should quote Felix.
FelixTM Wrote:Yeah, I can remember when things used to be great. It was so rare to see a bowman and a lot of pride came with being one. Scrolls and bows were awesomely priced. But even now, with all the idiots playing bowman and our horribly overpriced items, I still enjoy being a bowman just as much as I did back then. Why? Because I haven't let all the stupidity affect me. I just do what I can to get by, and it works for me. *shrugs*
I still have bowman pride. I could never love, or be, another class as passionately as a bowman. I guess what I was trying to say above, was that I really hate how people have always talked down to bowmen. No one wanted to be one. Everyone wanted to be an assassin. Now that 4th job is here... those same hypocritcal people become the thing they have been bashing on for years.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - cooldog67 - 2008-08-27
its such a pain in the ass, SE20 used to be 85m , now its 200.3M 30% bow scrolls now 9m.ya think?
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - IcyGreenTea - 2008-09-07
well, I was glad I was smart enough to buy up all the xbow scrolls I possibly could before the inflation got up. The archer character I play now was made shortly after I made my first character, but it was around this time last year I decided to seriously train it. At the time I had heard stuff about 4th job, but I thought I might just quit before that, so I started playing anyway. Now it had become my main, and I have people asking me if I just trained to be SEmule or what stat my xbow/gloves are. I thought I was funded at the time, but it still feels good to out dmg dexless sins. I am just moderately funded, and I think I'll stay that way until my funds run out. Then maybe I'll start merchanting.
Seriously though... I wanted to be a MM because they are rare. That was it. Maybe I AM partially bandwagoning? But levelling at this pace, I don't think I'll even reach lv 120 before I quit altogether... lol...
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Slashermills2 - 2008-09-07
Quantact Wrote:I became a bowman because I enjoyed sniping in HHG. To be honest, I have rather rosy memories of n00b armor at lvl 10. 4th job had this effect on everybody, not just the bowmen. A 180lvl Bishop on my server quit and sold all his ultra-godly equips to fund his Hero because he was sick of the "wannabee Bishes" running around. How you distinguish a wannabee bishop from an actual bishop is beyond me, because they spam the same Genesis.Unless they Leech their character to 120+ just for SE <_<
Unlike some people here, I don't think Bowman was ever a "cheap" class. If you think about it, the vast majority of your equipment is compatible with other classes. For example, you might want a 4 att 6 Dex cape, a 15 att Stormcasters or a 5 Dex Facestompers; all of which could be wanted by non-bowmen. As for the price of bows, well, purchasing like a 115 att Metus was never easy. Finding one is hell, affording one is also hell. And if you're talking unfunded, I've always been told that Clerics are good unfunded; but for choosing that you could now be accused of bandwagoning. :XD
I'd have to say that the bandwagon has a limited effect on 4th job. Most of the Bowmasters I am aware of have been around for a while. And if a new one pops up, is he really a shmuck for deciding to be one because of Sharp Eyes? I feel worse for the Dragon Knights, who had a nice, cushy 3rd job and are completely screwed now. Getting to 120 beats the bandwagon out of anybody, I think. If you get there, you deserve your Sharp Eyes.
The biggest advantage Bowmen have, I'd say, is that none of their skills drops from Horntail. Just MW 20, like everybody else. SE 20 is expensive, yeah, but grinding like 6 lvls on Sharks is simply not the same as trying to get TT30 or Gen30.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Slashermills2 - 2008-09-07
Sorry for the double postings ;-; please don't give me an infraction ilu mods ^_^;
DrRusty Wrote:30% dagger scrolls used to max out at 2m in scania, and 30% 1H sword scrolls used to be 400k. Hell, even 30% claw used to only be 5m. Prices for everything have gone up, not just bow scrolls.Rusty they are now worth a whopping 30m
I sold a 30% dagger YESTERDAY for 7.8m, 30% 1H sword for 2.5m, and 30% claw for 21 mil. Its not just bowmen who are feeling the heat of inflation.
TugboatWilly Wrote:se 20 and 30 prices these days really make me glad i got them back when 20 was 80m and 30 was 20-30m.30% xbow prices? I've found them easily 1.5m and less ^_^;
only thing that pisses me off these days is how pricey 30% crossbow is now.
Luscent Wrote:That I will never understand. I'd get bored out of my skull going to Newties that early and not being able to leech. Gobi partying is possibly the one of the funnest things I have ever done in this game and anyone who doesn't do it is seriously missing out.I have to bit a bit nitpicky >_> its Most fun not funnest >_>
but yes I remember seeing all those pro snipers/rangers grind it out in the black squid maps >_>
Retalion Wrote:Though its true that archers still have the smallest numbers in terms of 4th job classes, I think we're gaining on other classes every day (least that's what I see)/there are more becoming 4th job than before 4th job was around.yea I know consider bandwagoners those that leech their characters to 120+
I dont know other servers, but if you're truly funded, you dont start training till 14x: Exchange quests to 20ish, bone fish glitch up to a decent level, PQ to 7x, Ultimate leeching at hafs/wolf spiders till 10x, ultimate Newtie leeching till 13-14x/whenever you want to train.
A LOT of people leech for ages off their own characters/buy leech off others that they dont start training till they're well into their 13x-14x levels. For them, how long it takes to train during the lower jobs dont really matter, sadly =X
DarkGenzo Wrote:In all honesty, it kind of makes me sad that so many people are going "ZOMG ARCHURS R DA BEST" and becomes one.Infact I've been KSed by BMs/AMs at Headless Horseman... its kinda ridiculous...
Just today, I helped a Bishop kill the Headless Horseman, and she thanks me and says "It's rare to see a Bowmaster like you. Most of them try to KS instead of help." I remember a couple years ago when I started this game - I barely saw any bowmen. Throughout my entire Maple life as a bowman, I was told that bowmen suck and their damage sucks and they train slow and blah blah. Now, with the rise of 4th jobs, everyone wants to turn to become a bowman. So, I guess, it has affected me. It's made me a little angry that our class isn't as 'special' anymore.
Also, like everyone else has said - 8 to 10 million meso 30% bow scrolls? No thanks. 150million meso Sharp Eyes? No thanks.
Also, I think I should quote Felix.
I still have bowman pride. I could never love, or be, another class as passionately as a bowman. I guess what I was trying to say above, was that I really hate how people have always talked down to bowmen. No one wanted to be one. Everyone wanted to be an assassin. Now that 4th job is here... those same hypocritcal people become the thing they have been bashing on for years.
Anyway I made my archer wow... almost 2 years ago...
I got it to level 25 got bored because it was using bows... and meh the training was boring compared to the excitement of my Fire Mage at DT's
Well when I made my cleric I started leveling my archer as well a bit... its currently 47... Its kinda fun but I wish I had meso to fund it better ='( it feels weak because lack of decent equips... I HAD decent equips before my friend got hacked... I loaned him my stuff.. he quit... ='( yea thats fun right?
I remember back 2 years ago my friend made a crossbowman I thought Iron Arrow was a BADASS skill I still think it is ^_^;
I do remember when you used to see a 40+ bowman and they'd be hella nice >_<
I remember my first Basil Trade was with a bowman he was saving up for an olympus by selling refined BC's or BC ores I don't remember...
He sold me the amount from basil at the basil price... I said "pomegranate my gf needs some aswell" he said well I'll sell you an extra 10 for half price ^_^
I bought them and buddied him he eventually quit =( but he was a Straight A student... =\
Sorry >_> I went off in my own little world while typing...
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Allen - 2008-09-08
What I see with this so called bandwagoning is speculation and that is very typical in today's economic environment. When more people make a particular class its called a bandwagon and people complain. When no one wants to play a particular class because of some flaws people complain. Prices go up, people complain they can't afford anything. Prices go down, people complain they can't make mesos. You get the idea.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - TiEaB - 2008-09-10
If you love ur bowman then have the fortitude to deal with the bandwagonners. In my experience bandwagonners unless they have a system in place can only get to a certain level. I have been an archer for almost 2 years now and I have loved every minute of it. I remember when people would say archers were worthless but I guess we proved them all wrong. You are not an SE mule and you will never be an SE Mule even if you attack once. You may not ever get the majority of the experience or anything like that but bowman in general are always wanted now. Keep working at it this is your MapleStory not anyone elses.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Captain Mullet - 2008-09-11
This is interesting. I just started playing and I made a Crossbowman because another forum told me they where the rarest class...
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Xiyuuna - 2008-10-08
The Bandwagon Effect
Xiyuuna was banned the day of 4th job at level 123 for the Hak Glitch. The 20 day ban was lifted about 3 days before her ban was almost over after a fierce battle between Nexon versus the Falsely Banned Players. All motivation was lost...
Returns a few months due to the boredom of living literally in the middle of nowhere Maple Story changed even more.
There are many bowmasters now, though most I knew either of or personally when they were lower leveled. But there are many more that were either leeched or just 2x exp (nothing wrong with it) that lack knowledge of their account.
Then everyone buy zakum and godly armor at low levels. I didn't even have over 50mil till I was 7x, so many funded archers.Price Gouging and Skill book hoarding.
Se20 was 40 mil now it's 90mil due to people holding onto the book to make it seem rare.
30% bow att scrolls are 8mil, about twice as much, some were even as high as 14mil.
*luckily, I had some skillbooks I bought for cheap before I quit the 2nd time.*
"Hey, BM (oh no I HAS no IGN) gimme SE"
I really like how politely people ask me to SE them.
We're still so under appreciated.
I feel just about insignificant as a Bowmaster, I still have my pride but others lack it.
I think most people will still ditch a BM, leeching becomes too much and training too tedious for some.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Sage - 2008-10-13
I made my Archer in April I think (mainly because I missed having an archer). I see an assload of rangers everywhere at newties. It's kind of lame that archers are bandwagoned to all hell but that's how pretty much things work. Sins got bandwagoned for their killing prowess pre-4th job, and Bishops are even more bandwagoned than archers (even though I lol'd at Gen 30 being god knows how much now) due to their efficiency and killing prowess.
Yes the bandwagoning has affected me, and from this thread I can see I'm not the only one. Bow prices are ridiculously high (I've spent about 200 million trying to scroll bows -_-; ) and not to mention SE20 is just outrageous. I maintain a love/hate relationship with my archer, I'm sure some of you do. Love SE, hawk, and all of the other nifty things about archers, but hate the lack of HP, and mobility, and not being able to freeze
(Hating on Snipers and their freeze ).I'm sure most people will get sick of their bowmasters unless they're either super godly, have enough HP to go bossing (mainly HT) or just love being an archer.
As for me, I may quit him again one day and work on another class because I can't stand being on one character for an extended period of time, not because it sucks to train, but it just drives me nuts.
For the bowmen: Has the bandwagon affected you? - Typhoon - 2008-10-13
Why don't you people understand that there was no bandwagon?
Wheres kevvl when ya need him