Anonymous Moose Wrote:You are completley ignoring several factors here.

First, its extremely rare to obtain enough Watt from level ups and gems. At absolute best, you will get 12, but chances are you will only see maybe up to 8 Watt, probably less though. All this work for a weapon you could never sell.

Second, VIPs are statless, meaning you can focus on not increasing your secondary stat. In my case, I already have a Pirate with about 90 total dex, and is dexless. This saves me the trouble of raising my dex for a reverse. Then the VIPs are interesting because they come with a base increase to your secondary stat. This will make it far easier to equip your other equipment rather than having your other equipment be used to equip your VIP. This could easily allow you to invest more into main stat and forget about your secondary stat. Besides, why invest in an inferior weapon that I cant resell when I can invest in a better weapon that I can resell?

Then obviously we have the 4th tier potential on a resellable weapon.

The final point is that we all know that as time goes on more powerful equipment will be released and will will want to upgrade to keep up with the other players and match or surpass the new standards. With the VIPs, this is easy because you can resell the weapon. With the Reverse weapons, they are stuck on you permanently. You'll never be able to sell them, and all money invested into a reverse will be completely wasted once you obtain a new and better weapon.

As my recommendation, I'd just use a well scrolled level 100 or level 110 weapon untill I could afford a VIP, VPQ is reopened, or nexon releases new broken pomegranate. At least level 100 and 110 equipment is only a little weaker at worse, costs far less to make, and the total cost to decently scroll one is far less than scrolling a reverse. Got to love cost efficiency and the ability to sell your weapon so that another player that wants it can use it once you are done with your weapon.

SolicShooter Wrote:I didn't say that I thought reverse were better then vip weapons but I do think that if you ignore the 4th potential tier then their attack will usually equal. Diamonds are a 100% 3+attack, stimulators exist and at least pirate level ups (don't know about the others) add 1 attack minimum per level up that's a guaranteed 4+? attack already. And in the smaller populated servers this issue doesn't live up as well seeing as there aren't just any vip guns in demethos that aren't 2 lines. We could complete it and I myself have been on a lot of succesful runs but the weapons were rare enough to just allow the best of the best to wield the weapons of the server. In that sense I find them balanced because they're harder to obtain then reverse weapons and give greater bonuses just like higher level equips should be.

SolicShooter Wrote:I didn't say that I thought reverse were better then vip weapons but I do think that if you ignore the 4th potential tier then their attack will usually equal. Diamonds are a 100% 3+attack, stimulators exist and at least pirate level ups (don't know about the others) add 1 attack minimum per level up that's a guaranteed 4+? attack already. And in the smaller populated servers this issue doesn't live up as well seeing as there aren't just any vip guns in demethos that aren't 2 lines. We could complete it and I myself have been on a lot of succesful runs but the weapons were rare enough to just allow the best of the best to wield the weapons of the server. In that sense I find them balanced because they're harder to obtain then reverse weapons and give greater bonuses just like higher level equips should be.

Anonymous Moose Wrote:*snip*
Its much harder than it looks on paper to do.

Anonymous Moose Wrote:A few Watt does not make up for the 3% Str or 3% Watt you will see in the 4th tier potential. If you where right, than an unchaosed pac would be superior to a level 71+ cape, but it isnt.
And seriously good luck even getting enough Watt from those random sources to surpass the VIPs. Its much harder than it looks on paper to do.

Chameleonic Wrote:Reply...I'm stunned NexonAmerica thinks no one likes Monster Book and wont be bringing it back...and even more stunned that they dont know why everyone HATES the 7 day market.