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Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
Gengle Wrote:I support the 21 day necroposting.
I, again, would like to point out also that the 21 is not set in stone. It was a specifically low number that's higher than the current necropost threshold but lower than ideal (which was guessed at 45 days), to try to find where the appropriate average threshold should be and if this is in fact too low.
Rob Wrote: [color="#000080"]
On topic: I don't mind this, since I tend to check dates when posting, but yeah, Throes' gallery, Felix stories, and some other areas of the forum need to get rid of this. Clearly at first sight the General Maplestory and the Nexon Announcements should be under this rule. [/color]
You're arguing a dead point there, I've already stated which forums were exempted from this during our discussions and unless you're adding new suggestions to that list you're just asking for what you already have.
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
Rob Wrote: Well, what bugs me is that Animus seems to be gangbanging here.
As a random side note, the Animooses have known me far longer than any of you, know me personally and in much greater detail bordering on family, so rather than accusing them of spinelessly backing me up, you should consider that they perhaps have a better perspective into me than the rest of you, and are actually judging my tone and intent in a more realistic fashion than those of you who just assume how to interpret me. If there's been one thing any of you should know by now is I don't respect spineless toadying in the slightest nor people who can't think for themselves, so before you try to bring the guild angle into it as a bias you should consider it from all perspectives.
Final Death of Necroposting - holyforest - 2010-07-12
Gengle Wrote:[SIZE="7"]HEY YOU GUIS! :B[/SIZE]
Can we all for once try to get along when a decision is made? We all sound like a bunch of headless chickens running around trying to find our feathers. Now there are some places on this forum where the 21 day necroposting does become an issue. But if everyone would just calm down, drink some tea, and then say politely what you want to possibly be changed with the rule that Eos has put into place, maybe he'll listen and give his thoughts on the issue rather than everyone just sitting and throwing tantrums. Some of you are acting like Eos has taken charge and is banning people left and right. It also sounds like some people believe that Eos is destroying SP. Have you ever thought that maybe all of this arguing is destroying SP? So why don't we try to get along, weigh the options, and then be polite when we have something to say.
[SIZE="7"]/rant.[/SIZE]
As for the issue that this thread has been talking about, I support the 21 day necroposting. Granted, there are some forums where it could be changed, but with a few more tweeks I think it will be better for everyone.
Yes for crying out loud. I'm seeing people having hysterical hissy-fits over Eos doing this and Eos doing that. It's really getting slightly ridiculous.
Final Death of Necroposting - ImagineAll - 2010-07-12
holyforest Wrote:Yes for crying out loud. I'm seeing people having hysterical hissy-fits over Eos doing this and Eos doing that. It's really getting slightly ridiculous.I've agreed with all of his other adjustments up to this point. What I don't agree with is his vetoing any other opinion for the simple fact that he can. At least Paul knew that he had that "power" but didn't [always] go around parading it as if it were his end all say all for anything he disagreed with. My problem with this rule was the areas being affected. He's made the changes (to an extent) so I've nothing more to say on the matter.
P.S. I like how Swerve got an infraction and your friend got a warning. Showing favoritism much?
Final Death of Necroposting - holyforest - 2010-07-12
ImagineAll Wrote:I've agreed with all of his other adjustments up to this point. What I don't agree with is his vetoing any other opinion for the simple fact that he can. At least Paul knew that he had that "power" but didn't [always] go around parading it as if it were his end all say all for anything he disagreed with. My problem with this rule was the areas being affected. He's made the changes (to an extent) so I've nothing more to say on the matter.
P.S. I like how Swerve got an infraction and your friend got a warning. Showing favoritism much?
When did he do that?
Final Death of Necroposting - KaidaTan - 2010-07-12
Swerve Wrote:Yes Kaida. Eosian has his arms wide open, ready to hug you and tell you that you're awesome. Kaida, maybe if you actually tried to put yourself in someone else's shoes, you would realize how difficult Eos is being when Throes actually tried to posit an opinion, "Your previous request was... not particularly moving. It's good to see other people waking up and actually participating now but it'd [be] nice to see people focusing on how to make things work best, rather than just complaining about what they don't want." Right Kaida, Eos is being so welcoming. The only thing that is missing from this picture is Eos having a strap-on AK-47 and me being bound and gagged with a blindfold covering my eyes. Eos should just be naked and have his balls flop out and say, "Here Swerve! Come here and suck it!"Eos already said the Open Canvas is exempt from this before you posted, so this entire rant was unnecessary. In fact, it further proves my point that he's open to suggestion.
The irony with this message is that I'm trying to tell you to look outside of your own pacifistic ego-centrism, "Oh Eos isn't being mean to me! Everything must be dandy!" When the centrism of this message which I purposely excluded, "... exempt the entire forum just for my one thread," is about Eos denying Throes's opinion based on the fact he perceives it to be egotistical and selfish in nature. Kaida, I don't know if you've contributed anything useful to this forum board, but usually posting up art for other people is a service to the community. It would be selfish if Throes kept her art to herself and never shared it with any of us. Or even went to her original art thread and deleted off all her pictures due to Eos being unreasonable. Throes's concern about not being able to concentrate all her updates in one thread is a sign that she cares for the community. Instead of having multiple threads, Throes wants all her art in one place so that it can be easily viewed. I don't know if you are growing up in a Talibanesque regime or if your parents had their genitals cut off and you had to eat them in front of your entire country, but Eos is definitely not "open and friendly" in convential terms.
Your point is very hard to respect or even extract when it's drowned in so many ad hominems. Remember to argue against the point, not the person.
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
ImagineAll Wrote:P.S. I like how Swerve got an infraction and your friend got a warning. Showing favoritism much?
Swerve has three active warnings already whereas this is Talia's first offense, ever. Everyone is treated equally and judged by same standards.
Final Death of Necroposting - Marston - 2010-07-12
Gee, if it's really this hard to come to an agreement when discussing something as harmless as necroposting, maybe you should drop the idea altogether and go back to what's been working fine for the past two years.
Necroposting may be annoying but it's nowhere near annoying enough to whip other people just to ensure that necroposting doesn't happen. I really disliked the way you handled Throes, Eos. Your reply to her looked like a giant "F(uck you, I don't care" from where I'm sitting, and was pretty unsettling overall. I really can't wrap my head around why this is even an issue. Necroposting is the most noticeable thing ever, and when it happens it usually doesn't even require a report to gain attention and eventually result in an infraction.
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
Marston Wrote:I really disliked the way you handled Throes, Eos. Your reply to her looked like a giant "F(uck you, I don't care" from where I'm sitting, and was pretty unsettling overall.
Throes issue was absolutely irrelevant if the entire forum were to be scrapped in favor of blogs, an idea even Fiel admitted considering. There would've been no point in "fixing" it under that circumstance just to delete it. Asking for justification under that circumstances is perfectly reasonable, especially when the issue was approached as 'exempt this entire forum just for my one thread' with no substantiating reasoning.
Final Death of Necroposting - Marston - 2010-07-12
OK WELL WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF MY POST EOs
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
I replied to the part that was answerable. Your opinion on the rest was not news and I've already stated my stance repeatedly. It has not changed.
Final Death of Necroposting - Marston - 2010-07-12
All you've really said was that it can be easily prevented automatically and that "moderators shouldn't have to worry about it", which is retarded seeing how it only takes one minute to view, delete, and infract a necropost. I still don't understand why this is an issue. Saying that it's the 4th most prevalent infraction isn't saying much at all. Spamming can be subjective and trolling is entirely subjective, but necroposting is flat-out and requires no thought at all when distributing infractions for it.
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
Then why shouldn't it be automated?
Why is fair to punish users for things they shouldn't have been allowed to do?
You keep focusing on the mods and completely ignoring that this an improvement in the user experience, not arbitrarily punishing them for things they should've known better than to do but still do anyway because they don't pay attention.
Final Death of Necroposting - TaliaNCo - 2010-07-12
Eos, I wasn't sure if I should post that fact or not so I'm glad you clarified that. Thank you! We are supportive of our friend, yet we will also speak personally outside of here to tell him if we think he's in the wrong. We are hoping to help everyone here who either has, or had, a love for MS. We still have an interest that is genuine. I hope in the future I can contribute more than I have in the past.
Final Death of Necroposting - Rob - 2010-07-12
I should make clear, because it seems it wasn't, that I wasn't complaining about Animus at all, I just found it funny that 4 posts in a row defending Eos' ideas where made by Animus members, lol.
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
Rob Wrote: I should make clear, because it seems it wasn't, that I wasn't complaining about Animus at all, I just found it funny that 4 posts in a row defending Eos' ideas where made by Animus members, lol.
Like most organized groups we tend to move as a herd.
Final Death of Necroposting - Marston - 2010-07-12
Eosian Wrote:Then why shouldn't it be automated?
Why is fair to punish users for things they shouldn't have been allowed to do?
This isn't about punishing people that necropost; it's more about punishing those that just want to post regularly, like Throes. Seriously, open up another tab and take a walk around Southperry. Look at all of the subforums that have some pretty hot topics on the first page. There's quite a few that are more than a month old. Where I come from, necroposting is bumping an older thread and not contributing to it at all, or just asking some kind of retarded question that was already answered two dozen times in the same thread. Take the Thief subforum, for example. I'm making a Dual Blader and would like to ask a couple of unanswered questions before making a build of my own. Why the pineapple should I make a new thread when there's a perfect one sitting right there? Oh, right, because it's been 21 days so that thread is officially dead now. It's stupid. Southperry isn't Sleepywood where we have the same topics being brought up constantly. I would even go as far as saying Southperry's overall activity has lessened quite a bit in the past couple of months. Nearly every subforum has month-old threads on the first page; some even going further, and I just think it's stupid to have anything on the first page be automatically locked for "being too old". Still new enough to be halfway down page 1.
The only forum I could see this automated poopy working well in is General Maple and that's it. Open up your little statistics notebook and I'll bet that most necroposts occur there anyway. Anywhere else just doesn't make enough sense.
Final Death of Necroposting - Eos - 2010-07-12
Marston Wrote:Anywhere else just doesn't make enough sense.
The places where it did not make sense have been exempted already.
Anything else would require proof that it doesn't make sense, beyond your factless insistence.
Posting once every 45 days is not 'regularly' btw. It's sporadically at best. If the 21 days is the actual issue, I for the fourth time point out that's a trial number and am open to a more realistic one.
Final Death of Necroposting - IllegallySane - 2010-07-12
Marston Wrote:The only forum I could see this automated poopy working well in is General Maple and that's it. Open up your little statistics notebook and I'll bet that most necroposts occur there anyway. Anywhere else just doesn't make enough sense.
I do agree heavily on this. When I saw the statistics that the Maple and Social section made up ~78% of the necroposts, it would indeed make sense for these sections to be subject-able to the Necropost restriction save for the incredibly low traffic sections of the Maple section: these discussions rarely last long and rarely have repeat topics/questions that can easily happen months later, unlike say the Training Center. Besides, while it's not 100% only having to deal with ~22% of the original number of necroposts is still a vast improvement than how it is now. Mods only having to deal with ~1/5 of the Necropost reports compared to before, to me, would be a fantastic improvement to the site. Obviously going for 100% is touchy because the other sections can easily receive a new post weeks later only to find out they have to make a new thread because of the rule.
If anything, A&E, MHM, Extractions, and everything from the Training Center to World Forums/Marketplace should be exempt because it's nowhere near as active as the other parts of the forum, especially when compared to General Maplestory and the Social Section (Funhouse included, especially the Funhouse). That way an overwhelming majority of necroposts will be stopped, and people won't be complaining about the less active sections getting previously large/useful/good threads locked and having to nag a Mod to reopen it.
Things under Main should probably be subjected to the Necropost restriction because these parts are almost always talking about current news/discussion that would be old in a few days or confusing/useless to a person who hasn't been keeping up with Nexon/Southperry news all the time. Okay then, that's now about ~82% of all Necroposts that will be killed in opposition to ~78% leaving only 18% of Necroposts as before to take care of. Even better!
Or how about this, create a poll listing all the sections that can be subjected to the 21 day lock, see which sections get the highest votes, and base judgment/action from there.
Final Death of Necroposting - Rob - 2010-07-12
[color="#000080"] I think we all agree IllegallySane's viewpoint is by far the standard here. I'd add 30 days as the deadline though.
Props on making the most rational and practil post here man. This was starting to piss me off. [/color]