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[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Loose - 2010-07-05
If you're a Chief Bandit and up, Steal is useless. "Oh no! There's a monster a quite far away from me! What shall I ever do!?" You Assaulter at that sucker or Flash Jump towards it and make it say hello to Savage Blow or Band of Thieves in case of a mob around it.
If you're a Bandit, you either walk the mobbing path of Steal or one on one way of Savage Blow. It looks like it's just a matter of preference. Steal's another weapon in the arsenal of Bandits, but I prefer my max Savage Blow and Booster.
rhpot03 Wrote:BoT's efficiency is largely dependent on your positioning, it's best when you're in the middle of a mob.And what's stopping you from getting in the middle of that mob? You've got Haste, Assaulter and now Flash Jump. With maybe one or two Steals while jumping towards the middle of the mob will leave you perfect for Band of Thieves. Same can be done with just one Assaulter and your Band of Thieves is ready to go.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Five Second Pose - 2010-07-05
BoT works out well when there are monsters behind you. Can't BStep those.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - rhpot03 - 2010-07-05
Loose Wrote:And what's stopping you from getting in the middle of that mob? You've got Haste, Assaulter and now Flash Jump. With maybe one or two Steals while jumping towards the middle of the mob will leave you perfect for Band of Thieves. Same can be done with just one Assaulter and your Band of Thieves is ready to go.Bstep is single-sided while BoT hits both sides. If you're cycling a map and moving forward, it's not efficient to move backward just to finish off mobs that your BoT started to kill but cannot finish. Just use one steal behind you to finish them and keep going forward
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Five Second Pose - 2010-07-05
It may not have been efficient before, but we can kind of triple jump now with regular jump, FJ, and assaulter. Much more mobility.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Loose - 2010-07-05
rhpot03 Wrote:Just use one steal behind you to finish them and keep going forwardOr, you know, Boomerang Step, since it has more range that Steal and deals more damage.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Dusk - 2010-07-05
How often are you in BStep cooldown and just happen to have a monster so low on HP it can be killed with Steal behind you, just out of reach of your other skills? That is a really ridiculous scenario. Anyway, Assaulter to it and Flash Jump back over to what you were doing.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Herborist - 2010-07-05
Maxing steal early is faster training than with savage blow (the 220% steal, not the 130%). Savage blow is strong, but not strong enough to make up for a 4x hit mob attack that does 220% damage. Whether BoT replaces it or not is irrelevant - that's the whole point of getting another job, to replace older skills. Assaulter and boomerang step will replace savage blow easily (the new ones), so we shouldn't get that either?
Rayquaza, all of the training spots you've listed are outdated. I'd CPQ from 31 - 51, then go to FoG or MP3 with the new steal. Why would I go to gryphons...?
As for which levels are harder, that's entirely opinion.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Five Second Pose - 2010-07-05
Why wouldn't you go to Gryphons? At level 55 it was an OHKO for 220 EXP, I think that's better than FoG personally.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Dusk - 2010-07-05
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Why wouldn't you go to Gryphons? At level 55 it was an OHKO for 220 EXP, I think that's better than FoG personally.
It's an incredibly annoying map. You can 4hko Windraiders at that level for 800 exp. FoG and MP3 are terrible exp at that level.
(before anyone says anything about needing pro equips to 4hko, you only need decent gear like a zhelm, a scrolled dagger and glove, some blessing, and a not messed up build to do so - and 5hko isn't shabby exp either)
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Herborist - 2010-07-05
Rayquaza2233 Wrote:Why wouldn't you go to Gryphons? At level 55 it was an OHKO for 220 EXP, I think that's better than FoG personally.
FoG is better because of the mobbing - you can easily mob without anywhere near as much of the hassle. But I wouldn't be at FoG anyway, I'd go to MP3 or wind raiders (probably wind raiders since I can do the PQ now and there's rarely anyone there on Mardia).
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Herborist - 2010-07-09
Just thought you might all like to see this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3whlm7vACA
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - rhpot03 - 2010-07-09
After the lv14x shadower at blue wyvern video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ9_hIwHUn0)
If you look between (2:00-2:05), you'll see that the bstep delay is almost non-existent.
I think there's no need to use any other attack than bstep and assaulter after big bang. It might be better to spam bstep instead of assassinate/bstep combo at bosses as well.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Herborist - 2010-07-09
rhpot03 Wrote:After the lv14x shadower at blue wyvern video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ9_hIwHUn0)
If you look between (2:00-2:05), you'll see that the bstep delay is almost non-existent.
I think there's no need to use any other attack than bstep and assaulter after big bang. It might be better to spam bstep instead of assassinate/bstep combo at bosses as well.
Unless of course you're not 4th job. Nice video, though - anyone know what that giant shuriken that gives off sparks is?
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Cactuar - 2010-07-09
Herborist Wrote:Unless of course you're not 4th job. Nice video, though - anyone know what that giant shuriken that gives off sparks is?
Devil's mirror. It returns 1300% of damage taken for 60 seconds, and it has a 60 second cooldown.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Herborist - 2010-07-09
Cactuar Wrote:Devil's mirror. It returns 1300% of damage taken for 60 seconds, and it has a 60 second cooldown.
1300% of the damage the shadower takes, or it takes? Also, what's its range?
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Cactuar - 2010-07-09
Herborist Wrote:1300% of the damage the shadower takes, or it takes? Also, what's its range?
Shadower takes, and I don't know what the range is but I'm pretty sure it's something like "If you can see it, then it'll work."
EDIT: And, apparently, the damage reflected is 1300% of the damage BEFORE Meso guard takes effect.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Dusk - 2010-07-09
Cactuar Wrote:Shadower takes, and I don't know what the range is but I'm pretty sure it's something like "If you can see it, then it'll work."
EDIT: And, apparently, the damage reflected is 1300% of the damage BEFORE Meso guard takes effect.
No, it does 1300% damage when you get hit.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Cactuar - 2010-07-09
Dusk Wrote:No, it does 1300% damage when you get hit.
This video disagrees with you, sir:
[video=youtube;wIzXwDhBFIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIzXwDhBFIA&[/video]
EDIT: 3:48. He takes 861 damage, papulatus takes 27963 damage. 861 * 13 = 11193 as the highest possible value. Let's assume he has maxed greed (so meso guard takes 60% off instead of 50). 861 / .4 = 2152.5. 2152 * 13 = 27976. Number is far closer than if it was affected by Meso guard.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Dusk - 2010-07-09
Cactuar Wrote:This video disagrees with you, sir:
Well, I guess we're both wrong, because it's certainly not doing 1300% damage of what it took. Do the math.
At one point he takes 861 damage and the mirror reflects 27963.
Edit: That's around 3248% or 1624% not counting MG. Grid might boost the mirror by 20%, but 120% of 1300% is 1560%. No idea how it does the damage it does.
He definitely maxed it. It lasts an entire minute. 1624% is much higher than the maxed damage.
[Post-Revamp] What would you do for a Bandit build? - Cactuar - 2010-07-09
Dusk Wrote:Well, I guess we're both wrong, because it's certainly not doing 1300% damage of what it took. Do the math.
At one point he takes 861 damage and the mirror reflects 27963.
It's also possible he didn't max it. Or there is a damage variance. Point being it is approximately 13 times the amount of damage you take.
EDIT: Yeah, you're right. He definitely maxed it.