CarpeDiem Wrote:I would actually take your opinion seriously if you weren't a class that has one of the highest DPS in the game.

Rick Wrote:I'm sorry but this is one of the most idiotic things I have heard in this thread. I'm from the server likely to have the most people affected, so this is just like saying the majority doesn't matter.

Typhoon Wrote:I think that people need to get it into their heads that its not possible to have every class be balanced. There will always be one class that has better damage per second, there will always be one class that is a better mobbing class, there will always be a class that is better at killing bosses, there will always be one class that's more useful for boss support. If you don't like the class you're playing, for god damn sake stop whining about it and go make another class that you think is "better" or more useful. You chose the class you wanted to make and play, there must have been something about it that you liked.

Can you kill Bigfoot on a Buccaneer? Cause I can't on my Paladin. (I'll be able to with the skill updates though)


@ the post above mine, that's why elements are so ridiculous in MS. The difference between my damage on a resistant target to a weak target (with these new updates) could be as much as 100% -> 394%. should I lose 75% of my damage at certain areas? Maybe... but why don't any other classes?

BombsAway Wrote:Did bucc's ever have passive criticals? Because if they didn't then it's not a reasonable request (actually, every post I see seems more like a demand.) Just because it would benefit them doesn't mean it's necessary. I can think of a billion things that would benefit me (including passive crits!) buuut it's ridiculous to expect to get them. There's no reason for this "need" besides selfishness.

Dusk Wrote:Balancing doesn't mean making every class do the same thing. It just means giving each class equal opportunity. There's two reasons people enjoy playing the class they do. One is that they like the style of the class. The other is being proud of the strengths of the class. I'd play a Corsair even if we did less damage than Marksmen. But that doesn't mean I would like being weak. I like the playstyle, but I also like seeing the numbers I can output even with poor equipment. It's okay for one class to be better at mobbing and one class to be better at 1v1, but some classes are better than another at both. Endgame content is also scarce in this game and for the most part poorly designed, so that 1v1 DPS is a significantly better asset than 1v3 DPS or the like.

Also, the gaps in power are HUGE in this game. In other games people are impressed by a 5% increase in DPS. In MapleStory we regularly use potions that boost our damage by over 50%, two people of the same level can often have a 20+% difference in power, and certain classes can do twice the damage of others. It's insane. I really don't think any class should be more than 50% more powerful than another in a particular area, unless they expand the support role to be more than just giving a 5 minute buff to everyone else and then standing there looking stupid.

Rick Wrote:I beg to differ.

jwolfrush1 Wrote:I'm a 18x BW Paladin. I'm able to go on just about any kind of boss run. Maybe its because I've been in Khaini for over 3 years, and trained up a 18x BM as my first character. I have a good, reliable reputation in Khaini. Atm, Paladins have horrible DPM in terms of bossing ability at say Zakum or HT. But I'm still able to attend HT on my LOLBW Paladin. Why? Because I've persevered with my characters, and made many friends. All this whining about "I can't get into a boss run because I'm an "X" character!" PLEASE don't give me that bull shyt. Make better friends, talk to boss leaders. Its all about how you present yourself, and the things that make you stand out.

I'm proud to be a BW Paladin, and my server knows it. I didn't choose to semi-retire my BM for these "balance updates". I made this Paladin because i wanted a break from my BM. Paladin was a class i originally wanted to be. (My FIRST true character I ever made was a lvl 31 page with messed up stats) I had no idea my class would be getting these balance updates. I played my Paladin because I enjoy the class. Yes, this game involves damage. But focusing on a game like this purely on "how much dmg I or someone else can do" is pathetic. It should be about having fun. Yes, maybe your "fun" is getting into boss runs. But there's always something you CAN do to get into them. I hate reading about all this negative and mopey moods people have on Southperry. So many pineappleing whiners nowadays. What ever happened to having pride in your class?? These "new maplers" are too spoiled....

Lozmaster Wrote:Indeed, but if you consider the mastery percents, it puts marksmen at an actual multiplier of dex *3.6 for top and dex*2.916, giving an average of *3.258, whereas a 1h sword is 0.9*4.0*0.6 = 2.16 minimum for str, and *4.0 for max, giving an average of *3.08 for str, which still leaves marksmen on top on average, and if we go into accounting swingtab for polearms/spears + innate boosts each type of weapon gets... yeah it's getting very complicated, too much for me at 11:30pm

Magatia Wrote:I don't get why you would wanna account the swingtab for polearms/spears for dks when your main attacking skills are either forced swing or forced stab 3rd job onwards.

Stereo Wrote:Can you kill Bigfoot on a Buccaneer? Cause I can't on my Paladin. (I'll be able to with the skill updates though)


@ the post above mine, that's why elements are so ridiculous in MS. The difference between my damage on a resistant target to a weak target (with these new updates) could be as much as 100% -> 394%. should I lose 75% of my damage at certain areas? Maybe... but why don't any other classes?

MysticHLE Wrote:I don't see how the skill updates would allow you to kill BF with your Paladin.

CarrionCrow Wrote:Beacuse spear fury is a joke, and polearm crusher is even more pitiful. For spear users this aint so much an issue, but for PaDrKs.... It should be something in the lines of Spear= good grinding, better bossing and Pole= awesome grinding, decent bossing. As it is now, spear do both nicely, while polearmers get shafted for sure on bosses and aint as good mobers as they should be. Easiest fix would doubtlessly be to make polearm crusher forced slashes and spear fury forced stab. Make them 10-15% weaker than their counterparts and you retain the balance and diversity.

Stereo Wrote:I have about 1200 HP less than it would take to tank his touch damage, if Threaten worked percentwise it would be ok. I've tried to kill him without taking touch damage a few times and his missing hitboxes just don't work out well, or the fact that when he casts his magic attack his hitbox grows to twice the original size and hits me anyway.

Darkmaniak Wrote:I think they should add them cause Thunder breakers have them, making them (on a special scenario) better than Buccaneers, which, as far as I can see, doesn't happen with any other cygnus.

Hazzy Wrote:Waitwut. TB have passive crit, and Buccs don't....? What the hell.... :f6:

Russt Wrote:Umm... yes, this is the case.

They would've had to cut out skills to make everything fit in two and a half job advancements, so inevitably many of the stun skills went away. This would've made Stun Mastery near useless, so they just turned it into passive critical instead.

IllegallySane Wrote:This is rather ironic because it made Thunder Breakers more powerful than Buccaneers.