Forte Wrote:I find it utterly amusing you're talking about morals when the type of speech you employ is the exact opposite of morals.

- He offers his daughters instead because they were all gay. They wouldn't have wanted them.
- They did it themselves, god wasn't telling them to rape each other.

If your logic is that flawed I fail to see how you managed to get past grade 4.

ClawofBeta Wrote:^That was me, you still didn't respond to my post.

Both of you though, stop bashing >.> Handle this in an intelligent way without resorting to personal insults and bashing.

C'mon, where's the mod to close this!??!?!

Brandini Wrote:I guess when the Christians aren't dominating this thread anymore its suddenly inappropriate and deserves a closing.

I'm an Athiest. Lol.
I have been polite to everyone on this thread, orly?but I think I have reserve the right to ridicule as something as big as organizations wasting and brainwashing people into following ancient twisted lifestyles. Eh, maybe. Twisted? I've seen worse. Brainwashing? Depends if God exists.

Brandini Wrote:I guess when the Christians aren't dominating this thread anymore its suddenly inappropriate and deserves a closing.

I have been polite to everyone on this thread, but I think I have reserve the right to ridicule as something as big as organizations wasting and brainwashing people into following ancient twisted lifestyles.

ClawofBeta Wrote:Comments are in bold.

Forte Wrote:Right. So you're suddenly moral right?

Btw I'm atheist too. One of my best friends is christian and I don't want him ridiculed because of what he chooses to believe in.

And funny how your view changes from wanting to have gay sex with a man to they weren't homosexual.

Brandini Wrote:Why does it matter if you call yourself an atheists? Atheists still have sensitivities towards religion due to the way they were raised.

What does the existence of gods have to do with the validity of brainwashing?



Suddenly moral? I consider myself a moral person, I live by my values.

I don't think anyone here is ridiculing anyone, maybe except you ridiculing me earlier. A church, a company, an organization is not an individual, and I don't feel bad criticizing them.

I don't under your gay comment.

ClawofBeta Wrote:There is no such thing as good brainwashing. Regardless of the reality of the gods. Individuality and freedom are things we should value the most, and no group should steal it from us.
It might not be brainwashing at all then. More like...propaganda. Anyways, since when did churches steel freedom and individuality!?!??!?!

Quote:Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist.

—Garth S. Jowett and Victoria O'Donnell, Propaganda and Persuasion

SuGaRnSp1C3 Wrote:Some one close this thread please? :f6:

Brandini Wrote:You think people have options with their churches? You do not chsoe your religion, it is chosen for you by birth for most people. They go their for most of their lives and are told its the truth by the people they love and trust the most.
Lol. Let me tell you a little story about myself.

I was born as a Christian. Yup, and I was baptized and stuff.

However, unlike a devout Christian, I began doubting the existence of God. I mean, if God existed there would be no dinosaurs and other stuff (no need to know the full story.)

So, I converted to Atheism. My parents, the people who I love and trust the most, were not cool with it.

But I stayed Atheist.

So yeah, I pretty much chose my own religion. Born into Christianity, converted to Atheism. True, I was born into Christianity, but that does not mean I could change that.


Most people can't just wake up one day and say "hey this pomegranate is not real". Might be in my case, hmm?You have to do a lot of soul searching and have some basic education and understanding about how the world really works.

"Because they want to, and by doing so they believe they won't go to hell or whatever."

You make it sound as if its fear and ignorance that makes them continue "believing" in the gods. Yeah, I guess I worded it wrong.

Did you know that the most religious states in the United States are also the most violent and the ones with the most death penalty?Sources? (If you use Wikipedia I'll slap you with a pineapple).

Forte Wrote:I'm eager to see your sources on the matter.

The matter of fact is many atheists claim they have unimaginable proof that God does not exit/ God is evil/ He killed my cat and the such.

Yet I have never seen a shred of evidence to support them.

So do tell. Where do people rape in the name of God?

Murder yes. But the people murdered were often evil tyrants.



I'll never understand why Atheists are so hostile towards Christians.
In fact many Atheists seem ONLY hostile towards Christians even when other religions are far far worse.

Look at Satanists. The average Atheist will never comment on any Satanist practices, yet take time out of their daily lives to write long paragraphs about how God is evil and how all Christians are deluded sadist fools.

GoogleSearch Wrote:I am not an Atheist you plum. I am a Deist. We have hostility towards Christians because they DOMINATE AMERICAN SOCIETY. America is a theocracy based upon everything Christianity condones, NOT SATANISM. The sheer number of Christians is why there is hostility towards them; the power that this religion has is woefully large, while the number/power of Satanists are minuscule.

Devil's Sunrise Wrote:So what are the reasons you are so hostile against Christians? It's not like we pray to God when hurricanes appear (Well, I mean... durr, some of us do, but it's not like we stay in our houses and assume God will save us).