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New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - ItachiPower - 2009-04-18
I guess Nexon is starting to change huh. I hope kMST skill updates come soon lol.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - rassilon - 2009-04-18
crewe127 Wrote:I would like to argue that. Sleepywood is way more educated than Basil, is almost every angle. I bet Basil is just figuring out about what the family system really is, and it doesn't involve being married... >.>
As for the volunteer thing, I believe they already hired their guys. I think it was the GM hiring for April-June that appeared weeks ago. So nobody should be talking about who's going to be one.
Volunteers are unpaid workers who do it because they want to. They do not get paid, so they do not get hired. Therefore I do not think it is in any way related to the temporary GMs hired for the spring and summer.
As far as SW goes, I think most of the users are fine, and most of the mods are as well. It's just a few bad apples among both crowds (plus, of course, the one whose name shall not be spoken) that make it a bad experience for some people. I prefer the SP community for various reasons, but I have no reason to trash the SW site as a whole.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Loose - 2009-04-18
eos367 Wrote:I'm frequently in the areas that hackers and botters are in, just because I spend so much time farming and shift locations so constantly to keep it interesting.Same here.
And Card hunting will make me visit even more areas.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Cyanne - 2009-04-18
Yeah, I'm pretty sure these deputy volunteers won't gain any banning powers. It would be way too easy to abuse. I was thinking more of a priority report that a GM would look at immediately, which would easily allow them to weed out power-abusers at the same time.
TheTyphoon Wrote:yes.. but then what about low-level hackers?? Just let them run loose? Everyone is a low-level at some point, even hackers. You aren't gonna see a 4th job person, actually.. even a lvl 100~ person hunting pig beach very often. Catch them while their young and they can't get to a high level
Monster book =p
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Typhoon - 2009-04-18
eos367 Wrote:I'm frequently in the areas that hackers and botters are in, just because I spend so much time farming and shift locations so constantly to keep it interesting.
you are also level 200
Unless you can find high lvl people who will actually "hunt" for hackers all over Maple then I still think lower levels as deputies should be considered.cyanne Wrote:Monster book =p
Touche
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Eos - 2009-04-18
TheTyphoon Wrote:you are also level 200
You've pretty much described my entire alliance there.
We're scattered over the whole maple world, and constantly coming accross hackers of all levels, passing the word amongst ourseves to mass report them. We've even had events where several of us team up to chase a "shy" hacker into an alert ambush or to get a decent screen shot.
Most higher level players have lower level characters too and inter-mix their play between them.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Typhoon - 2009-04-18
eos367 Wrote:You've pretty much described my entire alliance there.
We're scattered over the whole maple world, and constantly coming accross hackers of all levels, passing the word amongst ourseves to mass report them. We've even had events where several of us team up to chase a "shy" hacker into an alert ambush or to get a decent screen shot.
Most higher level players have lower level characters too and inter-mix their play between them.
not every world has that thought
idk anyone in broa who would take their time to do that.. most high levels either are grinding or leeching another character.. or have just quit. And now that HT is back full force, they are just happy they got HT back and don't really care about low level hackers
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - MasPan - 2009-04-18
TheTyphoon Wrote:not every world has that thought
idk anyone in broa who would take their time to do that.. most high levels either are grinding or leeching another character.. or have just quit. And now that HT is back full force, they are just happy they got HT back and don't really care about low level hackers
They ought to care, it takes about 3 weeks for a low level hacker to start moving on to leafre, at which point they DO become a threat/problem/nuisance. Or they spend all their time hunting for chaos scrolls (recent example), rapidly deflating them while raising the price of other items consequently as they have and spend more mesos on the things they want.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Stereo - 2009-04-18
Icedfire Wrote:He doesn't. I never said anything about taking the mods of the websites themselves (people like bokuwomar on basil have quit long ago, and likely have no desire), which is specifically why I mentioned Kevvl. He is one of the most helpful people I've seen.
I could easily see Stereo and Eos being mods from here.
Volunteer work is not my strong point. lol. I wouldn't mind if rightclick->report had some sort of priority for "trustworthy" people so a GM would come quickly. But I'm not gonna go hunting down hackers just for the satisfaction. If I'm ingame I'd rather be playing.
& apparently the Nexon forums don't work in Canada? I've had 3 or 4 ISPs over the last couple years and never been able to login and stay logged in. So I don't bother with them.
Bahamut X Wrote:ecwcwwe: If your wondering why I said Ancients of Southperry; my reference is actually back to when rukmedes had started SW, and this was back when gMS was back in beta.I do think it's funny comparing SP and SW... both were started and run by hackers, then passed off to someone more community oriented. Not that I think that should be Nexon's concern, afaik a lot of the 'white hat' hackers who moderated SW in beta reported their exploits directly to GMs, and got them patched without any public release. Works a lot better for game health than "give it out on CEF and hope it messes up the game enough for Nexon to fix it".
Having said that, I believe we've got a fair number of souls that have seen the times where beta was fairly fun.
So I guess what I'm saying is, Nexon should also open up their ears to the hackers and private server developers, and listen to what they have done. 'Cause most of the ones who develop hacks are not in it for ingame advantages, and are quite willing to send a detailed report to Nexon.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Typhoon - 2009-04-18
MasPan Wrote:They ought to care, it takes about 3 weeks for a low level hacker to start moving on to leafre, at which point they DO become a threat/problem/nuisance. Or they spend all their time hunting for chaos scrolls (recent example), rapidly deflating them while raising the price of other items consequently as they have and spend more mesos on the things they want.
Thats why i'm saying having lower level 'volunteer deputies' isnt a bad thing. And ya i know about the hackers hunting chaoses.. ~_~ my friends have spotted a few botting in maps that drop them..
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - kirby756 - 2009-04-19
I'm so excited. Dx
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - MasPan - 2009-04-19
TheTyphoon Wrote:Thats why i'm saying having lower level 'volunteer deputies' isnt a bad thing. And ya i know about the hackers hunting chaoses.. ~_~ my friends have spotted a few botting in maps that drop them..
Too bad they don't pick up other people's drops...I tried to give them a whole bunch of subis
Even if I wasn't around to loot them, I imagine there'd be a bunch of subi-ridden pissed hackers
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Eos - 2009-04-19
MasPan Wrote:Too bad they don't pick up other people's drops...I tried to give them a whole bunch of subis
I do that to the auto-looters at WS all the time. Since I've got maxed use slots it's easy to throw enough random diverse crap from pet loots out there to fill them right up and laugh at them when they can't get any ilbis.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - holyforest - 2009-04-19
eos367 Wrote:You've pretty much described my entire alliance there.
We're scattered over the whole maple world, and constantly coming accross hackers of all levels, passing the word amongst ourseves to mass report them. We've even had events where several of us team up to chase a "shy" hacker into an alert ambush or to get a decent screen shot.
Most higher level players have lower level characters too and inter-mix their play between them.
Hehe, now just imagine if everyone in Enigma was an official Volunteer Deputy.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - ecwcwwe - 2009-04-19
TheTyphoon Wrote:not every world has that thought
idk anyone in broa who would take their time to do that.. most high levels either are grinding or leeching another character.. or have just quit. And now that HT is back full force, they are just happy they got HT back and don't really care about low level hackers
>_> I believe the job description of being a Volunteer Deputy is to "hunt down" the hackers, not just use your powers casually if you find a hacker while training.
I mean, if someone signs up to be a Vol. Dep, they are agreeing to do a job where they actually try to find and help get rid of hackers(and higher level chars have a larger area to search). If someone just signs up to be a Vol. Dep for the extra powers(whatever they might be), then they aren't really doing the job they signed up to do. Those players can just right click the hackers as they find them, and report that way. The Vol.Dep service is suppose to be for those who actually want to help make Maple a better place and actually search out these hackers (no matter if they are in the pig beach, or at the upcoming Time Temple)
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Eos - 2009-04-19
ecwcwwe Wrote:>_> I believe the job description of being a Volunteer Deputy is to "hunt down" the hackers, not just use your powers casually if you find a hacker while training.
Actually in most games it's pretty close to the opposite of your guess.
You're expected to be a resource that your contacts can call upon in the event they come across a hacker, and expected to take appropriate action (as defined by the individual game's policies and capabilities), but you're not expected to "patrol" or anything like that.
Really you just become a funnel point for issues, or a more direct face for the average players to report problems to.
One thing they'll need to do is revise all their online warnings about GM impersonation that say their is no such thing as an "assistant GM" to account for the deputy role and explain to players what a deputy can and can not do, and when one should be contacted.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - rassilon - 2009-04-19
ecwcwwe Wrote:>_> I believe the job description of being a Volunteer Deputy is to "hunt down" the hackers, not just use your powers casually if you find a hacker while training.
Where do you get that? From the announcement at the start of this thread? I don't see it....
What I do see is Nexon saying that their players are their biggest resource, and that is true. It's a resource they haven't yet seen fit to tap, but if they do it properly they could have dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of volunteers ready to help them. Maybe that doesn't mean taking hours each day to chase down cheaters, but it could (and should) mean that some trusted players could have some abilities, as yet unknown, to aid the GMs in that task.
I've chased down a few people now and then, logged onto several different characters to report botters or FM spammers, and so on, but would I spend my game time doing that instead of playing? I doubt it, and I also doubt that that will be the main job of these "Deputies." Maybe I'm wrong; I'll be waiting for their announcement of exactly what's involved.
Edit: Crossposted with eos. I never played any games with positions like that, so that's welcome information!
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - ecwcwwe - 2009-04-19
eos367 Wrote:Actually in most games it's pretty close to the opposite of your guess.>_> Most games don't have as big of a hacker problem as MS has had in the past. So it is kind of hard to tell if they are going to want the Deps to patrol or not
rassilon Wrote:Where do you get that? From the announcement at the start of this thread? I don't see it....
What I do see is Nexon saying that their players are their biggest resource, and that is true. It's a resource they haven't yet seen fit to tap, but if they do it properly they could have dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of volunteers ready to help them. Maybe that doesn't mean taking hours each day to chase down cheaters, but it could (and should) mean that some trusted players could have some abilities, as yet unknown, to aid the GMs in that task.
Well, they are saying that the Vol.Dep thing is a program, not a new feature. And just like with tespia, when you sign up for it, you are going there to do a duty.
They also said "Those of you who expressed a desire to help will get your chance", meaning that they are looking for people who actually want to look out for hackers, not just any old schmoe
Just like how they are talking about brining back tespia, and keeping those who actually do a good job of reporting bugs, I doubt they are going to keep people who don't actually try to get rid of hackers in this program either.
Think about it this way;
You sign up for Tespia to look out for bugs. Who do you think they will keep in the tespia program? The people who are just playing casually and reporting one bug, or the ones who are testing multiple things in order to find bugs?
The same can be said for this. If you sign up for the the Vol.Dep program, do you think they are going to keep the people who help get rid of one person, or those that hunt out hackers?
rassilon Wrote:I've chased down a few people now and then, logged onto several different characters to report botters or FM spammers, and so on, but would I spend my game time doing that instead of playing? I doubt it, and I also doubt that that will be the main job of these "Deputies." Maybe I'm wrong; I'll be waiting for their announcement of exactly what's involved.
And you are right, I highly doubt that nexon will expect the deps to ONLY hunt for hackers. But at the same time, if you are only helping to get rid of 1 or 2 hackers a month, what do you think are the chances they will keep you in this program?
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Eos - 2009-04-19
ecwcwwe Wrote:Well, they are saying that the Vol.Dep thing is a program, not a new feature. And just like with tespia, when you sign up for it, you are going there to do a duty.
Really we don't have enough information about this program to even begin to guess at how it will work, what it will entail, who will be elligible, or any of the other myriad variables. All we know is the current terminology they're referring to it by, and everything else is just supposition, so why don't we shelve this discussion until they actually give us something to talk about beyond the billions of things it might mean?
There's really no point over arguing about "teaser" announcements when none of us has much of a chance of being right and at best we'll get our hopes up defending positions that aren't likely to ever matter.
Next patch is just a little over two weeks away, maybe we'll have more info by then.
New Beginnings - An Open Letter to Our Community - Darkfaith - 2009-04-19
Darkfaith Wrote:I'm wondering why they mantion Masteia and Leafre... Even though i am realy think that they will give us MAsteria update again because they could say from Ellina to Orbis...
Leave the hackers... i think that there is kinda lots of hinting...