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Ask a Bowman Thread. - Doctor Omega - 2010-07-06
I started my Marksman the day Ludi was released back in 2006, and back then, there was no such thing as STRless or even low STR. So mine is capped at 100, with 40 more from equips so I can equip my Reverse Black Beauty. Anyway, it's all according to preference/how much money you have. But for the most part, you want to have 120 STR to equip the level 120 weapons, be it all from equips or AP. Generally, it is more expensive to go completely STRless because equips that are godly scrolled for STR are stupidly pricey. Just remember one thing: Your STR must always be equal to your level to equip your weapons.
Here's how I see it:
STRless = No strength, obviously. Keep your STR the same as when you rolled your character.
Low STR = Between 50 and 60 STR. Get 60-70 STR from equips (Like I said; freaking expensive)
Regular STR = Cap at 100 and get 20+ more from equips (Cheap, and honestly, your damage will not be that different if you decide to do this)
There really isn't a "right" way, just so long as you don't have an absurd amount of STR, and obviously pump the rest into DEX. 100 is a bit high, but that's what I did because that was my build back in the day. I can't really afford to reset them out yet, so I'll just have to deal with it until I get better STR equips and NX to reset some. If you want my advice, don't go completely STRless. Go low STR. It's not terribly hard or expensive, and you end up with a little more DEX in the higher levels, which is never a bad thing. But ultimately this is your choice.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Gengle - 2010-07-06
I guess part of my problem is looking at it like I did my mage where I said "HURR I CAN HAS 33 BASE LUK AND HAS ELEWAND HURRRRR" but now I need my second stat to equip what I want. Thanks for the help
Ask a Bowman Thread. - WingZero - 2010-07-07
I just got enough free NX to hammer my 121 atk Neschere. Now with the Vega scroll event going on, I don't know how to proceed with the scrolling. I don't see myself reaching lvl 120 soon, so planning for a Black Beauty is not neccessary. So what should I do?
A) Use two 50% scrolls for a max atk of 131. I don't know how much they cost and haven't seen any in the FM.
B) Use two Vega 90% scrolls for a max atk of 125. This is the safest decision, but will cost me 8k NX.
C) Use a Vega 30% and a Vega 90% scroll for a max atk of 128atk. A risky decision, but will be better than option B. This will cost 7k NX.
D) Use just a 50% and a regular 60% scroll. This will yield the same atk as option C, but it is not as reliable with the 60%.
E) Other, please specify.
I know I didn't cover all the possibilities, so feel free to suggest.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Doctor Omega - 2010-07-08
If you're not strapped for cash, I'd chose option B hands down. I'd rather take four more almost-guaranteed attack over the much more highly probable outcome of choosing a more risky route. And, if you're like me, 60%'s suck, royally. Also, now that I see that you're in my server, I can give you some pricing options. That Neschere is worth almost 200m, if not more (I sold my 120 attack for 188m). If you hammer it and use the 90%'s, it should be gold, and the price will go up to about 300m. But ultimately this is your choice. I'm just telling you what I'd do if I were in your shoes. I'd rather have a 300m-ish weapon to sell if/when I hit 120 and landed a decent Black Beauty. Four more attack isn't an insanely amazing boost by any means, but it's definitely better than ending up with a 121 hammered, zero-slot Neschere. >_>
Ask a Bowman Thread. - dominic7777 - 2010-07-11
Since I am a crossbowman nub. Where should I train a level 51 xbow for the best xp? (Clean range is 852-1546. I train with 290 acc too like that matters.) I have tried a few places but I don't know what would be best really. I am used to warriors, not xbow. o.O
If you know what the best spots are currently I would like to know.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Random_Overlord - 2010-07-12
dominic7777 Wrote:Since I am a crossbowman nub. Where should I train a level 51 xbow for the best xp? (Clean range is 852-1546. I train with 290 acc too like that matters.) I have tried a few places but I don't know what would be best really. I am used to warriors, not xbow. o.O
If you know what the best spots are currently I would like to know.
Stone golems, MP3, or Golden temple Weak Goblins.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Chameleonic - 2010-07-12
Where do lv 45 Hunters train nowdays? Any place give me more than 30% an hour. No PQ's, I dont PQ.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - dominic7777 - 2010-07-12
Chameleonic Wrote:Where do lv 45 Hunters train nowdays? Any place give me more than 30% an hour. No PQ's, I dont PQ.
I did 45-51 on my old hunter averaging 60% an hour at voodoos and hoodoos. The kb rate is a bit annoying but if you get 140 or even 130 walking speed then it's easy. I did get 50% sometimes but I blame that on chatting a lot.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Cysero - 2010-07-13
I have a few questions about about raising my skills. Right now my skills are: 14 Marksman Boost, 10 Sharp Eyes, 1 Snipe, 1 Frostprey, and 1 Dragon's Breath.
Should I max out Marksman Boost first then Sharp Eyes?
When should I start saving points for Pierce?
I already passed SE 20 and Boost 20, and have a Boost 30 book. Money isn't a problem from buying skill books. I'm just not clear on the order of raising them. I mostly train solo and occasionally JNPT.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Extremely Neutral - 2010-07-13
A couple questions.
Regarding skillbuilds. During 2nd job my plan was to max iron arrow first with a point into mastery for the 15% mastery. I thought it worked out pretty well since I had a lot of fun with a strong iron arrow. But that was 2nd job, levels 30-50 can be done in a couple of days with casual play so skill point allocation isn't that much of a problem.
For 4th job my plan is to get snipe early and since snipe isn't very useful unless maxed getting to 13x might be a little slow. Should I just do 30 points into snipe or wait a bit and do like 1 point into mastery and 9 in sharp eyes?
About power knock-back.
I really like this skill even though it doesn't work 100% of the time. It feels like you have a lot more control than when you're using dragon pulse. It pushes back the mobs that are directly in front of you, whereas dragon pulse sometimes pushes the mobs in the back and leaves the ones in the front to rush you. Does PKB work on all mobile bosses like corkscrew and rush? I know you can PKB Headless Horseman, but you can't use dragon pulse to push him back. Is anyone crazy enough to PKB bigfoot or anego?
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Nuklear - 2010-07-13
Cysero Wrote:I have a few questions about about raising my skills. Right now my skills are: 14 Marksman Boost, 10 Sharp Eyes, 1 Snipe, 1 Frostprey, and 1 Dragon's Breath.I would recommend finishing up Sharp Eyes before anything else, especially for solo training. I feel like Pierce and mastery are worthless without SE as it essentially doubles your damage.
Should I max out Marksman Boost first then Sharp Eyes?
When should I start saving points for Pierce?
I already passed SE 20 and Boost 20, and have a Boost 30 book. Money isn't a problem from buying skill books. I'm just not clear on the order of raising them. I mostly train solo and occasionally JNPT.
After that, it's really personal choice. My MM is 139, and I'm working on max Snipe since I'd rather bosshunt than train. As for working on Pierce after SE, I've heard other MMs say you should max MM Boost first or it's too unstable.
EDIT:
Extremely Neutral Wrote:A couple questions.In answer only to your questions in bold: If you plan on going Snipe first, don't bother with any other skill (well, maybe a point into Frostprey). That being said, you should probably either train with an archer that has SE or leech to 130. My grind was bad with SE; I can't imagine how bad you'll have it without.
Regarding skillbuilds. During 2nd job my plan was to max iron arrow first with a point into mastery for the 15% mastery. I thought it worked out pretty well since I had a lot of fun with a strong iron arrow. But that was 2nd job, levels 30-50 can be done in a couple of days with casual play so skill point allocation isn't that much of a problem.
For 4th job my plan is to get snipe early and since snipe isn't very useful unless maxed getting to 13x might be a little slow. Should I just do 30 points into snipe or wait a bit and do like 1 point into mastery and 9 in sharp eyes?
About power knock-back.
I really like this skill even though it doesn't work 100% of the time. It feels like you have a lot more control than when you're using dragon pulse. It pushes back the mobs that are directly in front of you, whereas dragon pulse sometimes pushes the mobs in the back and leaves the ones in the front to rush you. Does PKB work on all mobile bosses like corkscrew and rush? I know you can PKB Headless Horseman, but you can't use dragon pulse to push him back. Is anyone crazy enough to PKB bigfoot or anego?
I believe PKB does work on bosses, but it's a bad idea. You might get lucky with Bigfoot, but Anego will still give you the pimpsmack of death if you try getting that close. But there's no reason to not max it. PKB was extremely useful for me through late 2nd and 3rd job.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - atlcard - 2010-07-14
Chameleonic Wrote:Where do lv 45 Hunters train nowdays? Any place give me more than 30% an hour. No PQ's, I dont PQ.
Did you try Iron Mutae or Roids in Magatia?
Sorry I don't remember the map names.
Iron mutae - go to the map all the way >>>> from Russelon - Its a long map so you may want to use a speed pill.
Roids go 1 map <<<< from Russelon and then take the middle portal on the ground floor
You can stand on a platform and bomb the heck out of them
You should get closer to 60%/hr at one of these maps.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - WingZero - 2010-07-16
Doctor Omega Wrote:If you're not strapped for cash, I'd chose option B hands down. I'd rather take four more almost-guaranteed attack over the much more highly probable outcome of choosing a more risky route. And, if you're like me, 60%'s suck, royally. Also, now that I see that you're in my server, I can give you some pricing options. That Neschere is worth almost 200m, if not more (I sold my 120 attack for 188m). If you hammer it and use the 90%'s, it should be gold, and the price will go up to about 300m. But ultimately this is your choice. I'm just telling you what I'd do if I were in your shoes. I'd rather have a 300m-ish weapon to sell if/when I hit 120 and landed a decent Black Beauty. Four more attack isn't an insanely amazing boost by any means, but it's definitely better than ending up with a 121 hammered, zero-slot Neschere. >_>
I decided to take your advice after talking a few of my buddies. Seeing as how I'm spending NX on hammers, I can't really chance failing a slot.... It is also good motivation to lvl to 100. <_<
Ask a Bowman Thread. - McAwesomesauce - 2010-07-19
So I need to make my last significant decision as a Sniper.
Thrust or MB?
From what I can gather, since the Big Bang patch means bows and crossbows no longer have minimum range and the "lolautokill" doesn't seem all that useful for a class that wants to avoid being near monsters, MB is useless.
Am I right, and should put my last points in Thrust, or am I wrong and should I just max MB?
Also, what are the new mastery levels for Crossbowman skills? I recall reading somewhere Thrust was now maxed at 10; is this true?
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Worthyness - 2010-07-19
McAwesomesauce Wrote:So I need to make my last significant decision as a Sniper.
Thrust or MB?
From what I can gather, since the Big Bang patch means bows and crossbows no longer have minimum range and the "lolautokill" doesn't seem all that useful for a class that wants to avoid being near monsters, MB is useless.
Am I right, and should put my last points in Thrust, or am I wrong and should I just max MB?
Also, what are the new mastery levels for Crossbowman skills? I recall reading somewhere Thrust was now maxed at 10; is this true?
With the big bang, mortal blow turns into a different skill as well, giving each arrow a certain chance to OHKO when the monster is below X% hp. Essentially not really useless, but still fine to play with.
I was under the impression Snipers were able to max both mortal blow AND thrust because they have freezing and that basically renders the eagle useless for it's stun o_O
I'd go with thrust cause i hate being slow.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - McAwesomesauce - 2010-07-19
We use Eagle for the middle platform at Newties, Newties have a tendency to attack the player as soon as they spawn, and Eagle has a tendency to attack the Newtie and stun it before it can attack you, which lets us hit the Newtie right behind it with greater ease. You have to activate Blizzard manually, so it's far less useful.
But yeah, Frostprey makes Eagle garbage.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - JoeTang - 2010-07-19
McAwesomesauce Wrote:We use Eagle for the middle platform at Newties, Newties have a tendency to attack the player as soon as they spawn, and Eagle has a tendency to attack the Newtie and stun it before it can attack you, which lets us hit the Newtie right behind it with greater ease. You have to activate Blizzard manually, so it's far less useful.
But yeah, Frostprey makes Eagle garbage.
If you're just sniping the two newties on the middle platform, you have plenty of range that you don't need Eagle, and Blizzard gives your Strafe a chance for OHKO (11.5% per shot).
Either way, you shouldn't be basing your build now on Big Bang changes. You get a free SP reset so what your skills are now won't have any affect on it at all.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - McAwesomesauce - 2010-07-19
I get hit often enough that it makes a difference in training speed, so wutevs. So between now and the few months before the Big Bang, what do you recommend? My current speed is 116 if it matters.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Fius - 2010-07-20
JoeTang Wrote:If you're just sniping the two newties on the middle platform, you have plenty of range that you don't need Eagle, and Blizzard gives your Strafe a chance for OHKO (11.5% per shot).But do the instant kill effects stack like that though? Since Strafe usually counts as one hit ( not an insta death with damage reflect. KB's once instead of 4 times ), wouldn't the insta kill be just 3% per strafe? Just a wild guess.
Edit: Failed at quoting.
Ask a Bowman Thread. - Doctor Omega - 2010-07-20
I believe you are right, Fius. The skill description itself actually says Strafe itself will OHKO with a chance of 3%, not 3% per arrow, since strafe encompasses all four arrows. However, when I'm training at the Imperial Guards in Neo City, during the 5 seconds I'm waiting for Snipe to come back up, I'm firing Strafe arrows solely for the OHKO chance, and believe me, it seems to come along a lot more often than just 3%. So, putting all of this together, I really don't know what is right and what isn't. If someone has a more clear, concise answer to this question, it would be greatly appreciated.