JoeTang Wrote:It's ridiculously difficult to get close to anyone with more range than you. Oh wait. Everyone has more range than a Striker.

JoeTang Wrote:It's ridiculously difficult to get close to anyone with more range than you. Oh wait. Everyone has more range than a Striker. The "best" combo I've found so far is to Tiger's Roar -> Muse Upper Cut -> Crushing Fist -> Bone Crusher -> Low Kick -> Hammer Kick. It nets the most damage but if your Crushing Fist goes too far, you may need to turn around giving them a chance to stand up. The flaw in this is you need to tank any hits with your Super Armor buff, which gives you very few chances, two, maybe three in an entire fight. That, and Tiger's Roar has pitiful range. Probably the shortest in the game outside of Basic Melee.

Mountain Pusher is a good starter since it has some Super Armour frames that allow you to get through a defensive wall but you'll have to tank a lot of damage. You should follow up with some Basic Attack if they stay standing and then enter a Muse. Otherwise, Low Kick -> Hammer Kick, back up and wait for them to stand and maybe try Muse to start again with its (pomegranatety) Super Armour or Tiger's to start a combo.

It's just impossible to dodge everything a Launcher, or anything a Gunner can do, for that matter. It's like they have two Rooks and you're a King in the middle of the chess board.

Loose Wrote:Grappler.

MasPan Wrote:You're very fast, so you'll be catching most gunners pretty easily. They'll have a bit better short-range game, though, so it balances out. Launchers survive by flinging themselves away from people.

MasPan Wrote:I should also note that only a Launcher will be using a hand cannon (and thus flying across the map) in PvP. You're very fast, so you'll be catching most gunners pretty easily. They'll have a bit better short-range game, though, so it balances out. Launchers survive by flinging themselves away from people.

JoeTang Wrote:From what I've seen, Grappler's Suplex's Grab Decision has priority over most Striker skills, but you have a good point.

JoeTang Wrote:I'm fast because I'm level 30. Any level 30 Gunner will be just as fast as I am in running, if not more.

KajitiSouls Wrote:What's this practice mode I've been seeing in the PvP channels?

Also, at the next class advance (lvl 38?) does your SP reset again? My gut feeling says no...

KajitiSouls Wrote:How about "I'm fast because I did quests that gave me 15 Wind Stones"? I don't see how lvl is related to this other than quest availability.

JoeTang Wrote:Yes, poor choice of words on my part.

Holypie Wrote:What weapons do each subclass use? I know launchers use hand cannons and witches use brooms but that's it.

Loose Wrote:Strikers - Any Fighter weapon, but probably get the most benefit out of Boxing Gloves.
Brawlers - Any Fighter weapon except Boxing Gloves, but get the most benefit out of Claw because of Claw Mastery.
Nen Masters - Any Fighter weapon except Boxing Gloves, but probably get the most benefit out of Tonfas.
Grappler - Any Fighter weapon except Boxing Gloves, but probably get the most benefit out of Gauntlets.

MasPan Wrote:[color="#cc8899"]For fighter weapons, is there a huge difference in feel? For example, gunner weapons vary wildly in characteristics -
Hand Cannons do the most raw damage, but are extremely slow and only hit twice (3-4 times if the enemy is close enough to get hit by the cannon itself) per combo. They also have the most recoil when shot in the air. Generally have high physical attack, low mattk.
Revolvers are fast drawing and shooting, but don't quite have the shooting speed/# of bullets as a Bowgun. Generally the most lightweight weapon of the gunner types.
Muskets/Rifles are...well, weaker than the hand cannon, but a bit faster. They tend to not see a lot of use because nothing really stands out about them.
Bowguns are a fraction slower than revolvers, especially in the hands of a ranger (revolver speed increase). They have a lot of combo potential, though, and are incredibly easy to use. They benefit the most from Aerial fire, getting an extra 10 shots in the air with lv4 Aerial (to a Hand Cannon's...3 (total of 4 with the initial shot)).
Autoguns are the absolute fastest guns, but incredibly weak.

Each gun has a huge difference in how it handles, how you use it in a combo, etc. For example, Hand Cannons are very defensive weapons, good for getting out of tight spots (airshot recoil will launch you away from danger, unless an enemy is predicting this and wait for you to land. A bit of mind-gaming goin on as to whether or not you will actually jump. Still, the mobility is nice). Revolvers/bowguns are more offensive/combo oriented.[/COLOR]

Spaz Wrote:Bowguns are actually faster but weaker than revolvers. As a spitfire, I prefer bowguns because they're fast enough to be able to keep a mob at bay but still stronger than autoguns.

There's a rather large jump in difficulty between First Spine Master's and King's. I dunno how melee classes could possibly cope with the boss pooping out an endless army of tentacle monsters. I was mostly hitting the summons, only getting at the boss with flashbangs and crossmores.

Does anyone actually use bludgeons and spears? I found a rather nice bludgeon and a spear but those are slow weapons and it seems that fast weapons are preferred. :-\

MasPan Wrote:For fighter weapons, is there a huge difference in feel?

Loose Wrote:Yes.

Claws and Tonfas give some extra range and are average speed. Tonfas also tend to give some defense. Gauntlets are stronger but slow. Knuckles and I assume Boxing Gloves are faster but weaker.

MasPan Wrote:[color="#cc8899"]I've seen quite a bit of bludgeon slayers, but they appeared to be botters. Battlemages use spears, but they're a rarity.

Incidentally, while doing Albert's Vest (SS) quest, I found a pair of Rock Star pants last night
+100 HP ftw, roughly equivalent to 1000 defense
Bowguns seem to have a bit less pickup speed than Revolvers, but fire faster. Autoguns are just...blech. I used one until I found out how fast bowguns are. I still carry a bowgun for when my Style score starts hurting.[/COLOR]

Holypie Wrote:Doesn't BBQ give an automatic aerial?

Loose Wrote:Claws and Tonfas give some extra range and are average speed. Tonfas also tend to give some defense. Gauntlets are stronger but slow. Knuckles and I assume Boxing Gloves are faster but weaker.

MasPan Wrote:Kajiti/Felix/Joe, since you were on the receiving end a few times, does Steyr interfere with attacking when it explodes, or does it simply do damage?

FelixTM Wrote:[NOPARSE][/NOPARSE]

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