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Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Hypermug - 2015-03-13
Polantaris Wrote:I'd help, but I'm not at G Rank yet. Sorry.
I'm probably going to be at High Rank a while. I need three pineappleing Zinogre Jaspers and there's basically no Zinogre quests in High Rank at all for some reason. Even offline, all I got is that dumb marathon hunt quest. I killed seven once and got less rewards than I would have gotten from the Gathering Hall single Zinogre quest. I felt like I wasted 35 minutes of my life.
I'll help you this weekend if you help me get some gore noctowl gems!
I ran into a djho recently. Is the savage one in this game in high rank? Because the icon looked funny and it was already glowing red and stuff. I hauled ass after getting hit by its dragon breath.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Polantaris - 2015-03-13
Hypermug Wrote:I'll help you this weekend if you help me get some gore noctowl gems!
I ran into a djho recently. Is the savage one in this game in high rank? Because the icon looked funny and it was already glowing red and stuff. I hauled ass after getting hit by its dragon breath.
So funny story. Was playing until work (so like 8pm - 11pm). Grinding the hell out of Zinogre with randoms. Nothing. Kept getting nonsense, all the stuff I don't want, etc. Then, on my last run, I carved one, and got one in the rewards. Was able to make all three instances of the hammer I needed (I had one from earlier runs). No more High Rank Zinogre needed, thankfully. I like him as a monster, he's one of the more enjoyable fights, but I always seem to have problems with his rare. I remember killing over 100 of them for one Skymerald in 3U.
Regardless, I'll be happy to help you get those gems, or anything else really. Always more fun playing with friends than with randoms. Plus I don't trust randoms to be able to do Elder Dragons, to be completely honest, so we can do those as well if you want.
Savage Jho is in High Rank. He's a Post-Dalamadur quest if you need the Black Blood or whatever it is that he drops exclusively. Outside of that he can appear randomly like regular Jho. Any quest with the yellow question mark icon can have Jho show up, or a random other monster as well. You don't see him as a quest objective until HR7, and Savage is part of the post-game content for MH4 (after you beat Dalamadur and remove the HR restrictions, I think Savage is HR50 or 60).
There's also Golden Rajang....so there's that to look forward to. He's basically identical to Savage Jho in that he's always basically in rage, with a new super rage as his normal rage...and he gives a special drop that regular Rajang doesn't. Rajang is a horrible monster, by the way. Anyone who is scared of Deviljho has absolutely no idea what they're walking in to with Rajang.
Arrol Wrote:I've beaten Seregios after an humiliating defeat and now have access to their special weapons. Are they worth it?
Also, I am now at 9th Star and I've yet to see Jhoey around.
Seregios's gear is....eh. It heavily relies on that dodging-to-restore-sharpness mechanic, because most of the weapons can't use Sharpness+1 at all and have pitifully low Purple, White, and Blue sharpness levels (like 1-2 bars each at final form). They have decent raw but there's better. They might be fine when you first can make them, but by end game I don't expect to be using any of them.
As for Jho...I don't think many of the offline quests have Jho chances. You should see him in 10*, though, after you beat the story. If you really want to fight him eat for Gamechanger on quests with the yellow question mark.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - OrionTempest - 2015-03-13
Also, Normal Jho can show up during Unstable G-Rank Expeditions, while Savage Jho has its own Rare Expedition in G Rank. I think Normal Jho also has its own Guild Quest as well, but Savage Jho doesn't.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Polantaris - 2015-03-13
OrionTempest Wrote:Also, Normal Jho can show up during Unstable G-Rank Expeditions, while Savage Jho has its own Rare Expedition in G Rank. I think Normal Jho also has its own Guild Quest as well, but Savage Jho doesn't.
I think Normal Jho has the same system going on that he did in 3U. There's like a 1% chance that any Jho can be Savage.
But it's also possible Jho turns Savage at a certain level of GQ, similar to how many monsters go infected at a certain level of GQ.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - OrionTempest - 2015-03-14
Polantaris Wrote:I think Normal Jho has the same system going on that he did in 3U. There's like a 1% chance that any Jho can be Savage.
But it's also possible Jho turns Savage at a certain level of GQ, similar to how many monsters go infected at a certain level of GQ.
I don't think so, as I have a Lv120ish Jho GQ and he's still normal. Plus the Esurient Z set wouldn't be so painful to get if that was the case.
It requires 8 Vile Fangs, which only come from G-Rank Savage Jho.
10% Body Carve
35% Head Break (x1)
20% Head Break (x2)
And he only appears in G-Rank Rare Expeditions as a main monster. Seen a couple threads around complaining about it because they wanted the set.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Secun - 2015-03-14
Arrol Wrote:I've beaten Seregios after an humiliating defeat and now have access to their special weapons. Are they worth it?
Also, I am now at 9th Star and I've yet to see Jhoey around.
Seregios's weapons are good in theory but the sharpness regen is only around 5 points worth, so if you're not dodging often it's not worth it. That being said, his Hunting Horn is probably one of the best since it has good songs, good raw and sharpness, and HH doesn't rely on element. Great Sword and Charge Blade are also good enough weapons when you get them, but they get outclassed later (His CB drops off sooner than the GS though). All of his other melee weapons aren't really worth it.
In terms of ranged, however, his LBG and Bow are both very good. LBG reloads one shot of the current ammo type per dodge roll and the Bow further boosts the effects of Close Range Coatings to make them equivalent to Power Coating. In addition, the Bow is a Power shot type although it pretty much requires Load Up due to only having two charge levels normally. If you've got Load Up, however, it's easily one of the strongest raw Bows in the game.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Polantaris - 2015-03-15
Secun Wrote:In terms of ranged, however, his LBG and Bow are both very good. LBG reloads one shot of the current ammo type per dodge roll and the Bow further boosts the effects of Close Range Coatings to make them equivalent to Power Coating. In addition, the Bow is a Power shot type although it pretty much requires Load Up due to only having two charge levels normally. If you've got Load Up, however, it's easily one of the strongest raw Bows in the game.
Definitely agree with the Bow stuff. His bow is fantastic EXCEPT for the fact that it needs Load Up to be usable. With no element, there's no point to use second charge at all, but it doesn't get third without Load Up.
Thankfully there's still the Loading Piercing, but that can hurt you in the long run because it doesn't get great defense. One of the best tactics with mixed sets on Gunners is to use a Blademaster Helm, as it gives double the defense, but you can't do that if you're using a Piercing.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Doctor Omega - 2015-03-15
I really don't know what you guys think about the Black Gravios, but I'm going to give my two cents, because that monster is officially the biggest steaming pile of shit in the entire fucking game. He isn't "hard" by the dictionary definition of the word. He is a single-attack-spamming shithole that stands in the corner of a map and spams that stupid-ass beam over and over. Not only that, but that attack where he spews hot fire from his body while spitting repeated fireballs at the same person over and over is literally an instant kill. It is 99% unavoidable, and he does it all the motherfucking time. He is a fat fuck that uses the same damned attacks over, over, over, over, over, over, and over again. What the fuck Capcom? This thing isn't even a monster. It's a shitty, spamming bot.
I need a Black Gravios Pallium desperately for the Brachydium armor. It is literally the only thing standing in my way. At this rate though, that armor isn't worth it now. Anything that requires Black Gravios materials can suck my dick. I'm never touching that stupid fucking cocksucker again. He is without a doubt the worst idea for a monster ever crapped out by Capcom. Fighting a fat fuck dragon that does the same shit over and over is anything but fun. You guys can have him. I'm done. So done.
-_-
Also, I agree with the comments about the Rajang. That thing is a dickweed too. He makes the Savage Jho from 3U and even this game look like a baby playfully gnawing on her rattle. No amount of defense is enough to protect you from a G-rank golden Rajang. With 796 defense on my strongest set, that horn he pulls out of the ground is nearly an instant kill. I had a sliver of health left. Just be aware that if you have even the SLIGHTEST bit of negative thunder resistance, his thunder beam will destroy you in one hit. Guaranteed. Even with G-rank armor. He is another monster that just is not fun, at all. Every time I have to do a Rajang, I prepare myself by punching the wall prematurely. His fight makes me want to grind my balls down with a cheese grater.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - SuperNerd - 2015-03-15
I agree about Gravios/Black Gravios. Such an annoying POS. I loathe fighting them, especially as an Insect Glaive-user--getting a Red Essence is such a pain in the ass with these guys due to them being so tall and EVERYTHING around their tiny head gives Orange Essence, so even just a slight turn ends up getting a wrong essence. Fighting these guys only becomes SOMEWHAT manageable once you break their back and they no longer expel heat under their stomach after EVERY FUCKING ATTACK. And yeah, don't get me started on B. Gravios' beam spamming.
On that note, in fact, a big middle finger to ALL the monsters that spam attacks--Khezu's screams and shock AoE attack, Pink Rathian's constant homing poison tail spins, Savage Jho's constant pinning jumps, Teostra's charges, Yian Garuga's INSTANTANEOUS charges and beak slams... [/endrant]
Moving on... completed a new armor set last night, got Sharpness +1, Evasion +2 and Attack Up (S)--gonna be using it for the time being until I fight Dalamadur and can get the Rebellion Mail to get my final set for HR-G-Rank transition.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Hypermug - 2015-03-15
Hey guys, could I have some personal opinions from anyone experienced with the gunlance? I hardly ever see it used (which means I might pick it up, ffff :p). All I really know is that it seems to be horribly slow. Do you guys like it? How does it compare to the other weapons?
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Polantaris - 2015-03-15
Gravios is pineappleing terrible. He always has been. I have no idea why he's back. Even in 2nd gen all he had was beam attacks. He's actually easier now too because you can break his back and cause the beam gas to go out of is back instead of his stomach...but he has to be near a cliff to pull that off. It's not a fun fight at all.
Rajang too. His attacks have way too much range and do way too much damage. I don't look forward to ever fighting him, no matter the game, no matter how much I've played, it doesn't matter. He sucks.
Hypermug Wrote:Hey guys, could I have some personal opinions from anyone experienced with the gunlance? I hardly ever see it used (which means I might pick it up, ffff :p). All I really know is that it seems to be horribly slow. Do you guys like it? How does it compare to the other weapons?
Gunlance is...okay. I've never been a big fan of slow weapons, though. I have a friend who used it exclusively in 3U and when he got 1,000 runs on it he was so sick of it he never wants to touch it again. In my opinion it takes out sharpness too quickly (every shot does 2 hits worth of sharpness each, if I remember correctly), and is too slow. Plus it doesn't have enough backhops unlike regular Lance.
I've not seen anyone use either Lance nor Gunlance in 4U at all, except one Lancer who I don't even consider a Lancer because he only used the charge attack to leap into the air like a Insect Staff Vault Spammer.
I would say try to do the Great Jaggi tutorial run a few times and see if you enjoy it after using it a few times.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Arrol - 2015-03-15
Well, at least I'm not the only one who feels this way with Gravios. I didn't fancy Basarios either. Neither Khezu. I miss Gigginox. Also, never seen this much hate towards this Rajang? He a contender for hated monster along with Deviljho?
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Polantaris - 2015-03-16
Arrol Wrote:Well, at least I'm not the only one who feels this way with Gravios. I didn't fancy Basarios either. Neither Khezu. I miss Gigginox. Also, never seen this much hate towards this Rajang? He a contender for hated monster along with Deviljho?
I've never understood the hate for Jho, to be completely honest. He's not that hard to fight, and you can take massive advantage of his fast rate of exhaustion. As a gunner he's a bit harder because his attacks are basically all forward moving...but when you're melee he's piss easy because most of his attacks aren't designed to deal with hunters at his legs. If you stay on top of him you'll basically never have a problem with him.
I think people are mostly afraid of him because of his tendency to show up in early high rank (when you're not really ready to fight him), and the fact that a lot of players are just newer and have never experienced monsters that are far worse or the generally worse hitboxes in pre-Tri games.
Rajang is easily the hardest monster in the game. He hits like a mac truck and is nearly always in rage. He will rage when no one has done anything to him. His new attacks in this game are basically designed to wreck your entire party at once.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Arrol - 2015-03-16
I'm reading up more on the monsters and their classifications. This Rajang sounds more like an Elder Dragon than Pelagus
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - OrionTempest - 2015-03-16
As a gunner, I personally find both Gravios piss easy. Crag/Clust/Water/Pierce spam for days.
(Brute/Molten)Tigrex/Seregios though, I HATE fighting those solo, mostly because they're charging at full speed the majority of the time and hit fairly hard. I think they've carted me more than Rajang has.
Also, made a nice general purpose G Rank set until I can get far enough for the endgame one I have planned.
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Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Polantaris - 2015-03-16
OrionTempest Wrote:As a gunner, I personally find both Gravios piss easy. Crag/Clust/Water/Pierce spam for days.
(Brute/Molten)Tigrex/Seregios though, I HATE fighting those solo, mostly because they're charging at full speed the majority of the time and hit fairly hard. I think they've carted me more than Rajang has.
Also, made a nice general purpose G Rank set until I can get far enough for the endgame one I have planned.
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It's not that Gravios is HARD. He's just boring. You take damage as a blademaster because he's too big, and he has stupid AOE attacks that cover his entire body. You have to dodge like 3-4 times to get out of the range of any of his gas attacks, and they last so long it's hard to perfect dodge them even with Evasion. He's just not entertaining even remotely.
I found Seregios easy to solo with Bow, but Bow is also one of the most mobile weapons in the game, so that definitely helps. Brute Tigrex is kind of like Jho, though, in that a lot of his attacks deal with him pushing into you when he attacks. Especially that roar attack. Molten Tigrex is honestly just a stupid monster. I don't understand the point of him what so ever.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Arrol - 2015-03-16
Great, and I gotta face the Brute in my Caravan quest now. There goes my confidence.
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - OrionTempest - 2015-03-16
Polantaris Wrote:It's not that Gravios is HARD. He's just boring. You take damage as a blademaster because he's too big, and he has stupid AOE attacks that cover his entire body. You have to dodge like 3-4 times to get out of the range of any of his gas attacks, and they last so long it's hard to perfect dodge them even with Evasion. He's just not entertaining even remotely.
I found Seregios easy to solo with Bow, but Bow is also one of the most mobile weapons in the game, so that definitely helps. Brute Tigrex is kind of like Jho, though, in that a lot of his attacks deal with him pushing into you when he attacks. Especially that roar attack. Molten Tigrex is honestly just a stupid monster. I don't understand the point of him what so ever.
Yeah, I see that often myself. I went into the B.Gravios urgent expecting a challenge because of the amount of posts I was seeing at the time asking for help with him. He spent most of the fight spamming beams and missing as I gunned him down and was just overall disappointed.
And I just tend to have a problem with the more mobile monsters until I get used to them. I'm not great by any means, but I'm at least able to hold my own in G Rank solo.
And on that note, finally got the Pallium I needed for Archipelago, now I need one from B.Grav for Searulean Firebath.
(Also, any good ways to stockpile fish? Archipelago is going to devour my Arowana stocks for Crag 2/3)
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - Arrol - 2015-03-16
Ever considered fishing at Sunsnug Island?
Monster Hunter 4 Ultimate: Reviews and Discussion - OrionTempest - 2015-03-16
Arrol Wrote:Ever considered fishing at Sunsnug Island?
That's what I've been doing, but I've been having terrible luck with getting them, only about 3-5 per try.