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Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - TheSmartGuy - 2009-01-31
Do I have to read that?:f6:
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Thunda - 2009-02-02
Quote:Unfortunately, all the religious fanatics out there interpret it just right out wrong and think that the homosexuals themselves are evil people, and commit hate crimes against them, sometimes killing them (against one of the Ten Commandments ironically).
Might I mention that most Christians, including many of the fundamentalists, do not do the above. The ones that do believe that homosexuality is a sin tend to preach that it is a sin, but also to not hate the gays and lesbians.
Quote:They should read it for (some of) the values, not learning how some guy magically rose from the dead.
Can't we read it for both?
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Zaotsu - 2009-02-02
TehMatt Wrote:EDIT: Scientology is the most perseccuted religion in my opinion. To most it is just a big joke. We may also add Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses to that. Those two are pretty ridiculed also.[COLOR="RoyalBlue"]
Persecuted in what way? Most of the reasons for the attacks are fairly well founded. If you mean the ridicule by stuff like South Park, well what do you expect? Anything that sounds outlandish and is relatively new will have that effect on people. [/COLOR]
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - heronz - 2009-02-02
FinalHeart Wrote:Sometimes the religion itself isn't teaching too many horrid values (with the exception of slavery and some discrimination), however, people interpret religion in a way that makes it seem as if the religion wants all homosexuals to die.
For example, The Bible states that homosexuality is a sin. I disagree with that, but is what it states. However, as far as I know, it says nowhere that homosexuals should be persecuted. In fact, The Bible does say repeatedly, just in different terms to respect your neighbors (in general terms, this includes coveting your neighbor's goods and all that), so they obviously don't want you to attack homosexuals. Unfortunately, all the religious fanatics out there interpret it just right out wrong and think that the homosexuals themselves are evil people, and commit hate crimes against them, sometimes killing them (against one of the Ten Commandments ironically).
The Bible obviously has some contradictions in it however. I remember someone posting earlier a quote that states that slavery is okay (sorry for forgetting who you are), which obviously goes against respecting your neighbor.
Back to the religious fanatics and The Bible though. Most religious fanatics think that everything in The Bible actually happened, which isn't the way they should read it. They should read it for (some of) the values, not learning how some guy magically rose from the dead. Most of the story stuff in there thrown around the values are mainly to keep people from just randomly killing people, simply so they don't get smited by some God that may or may not exist. It's similar to government. What's the point of having laws if you have no one to carry them out and enforce them? Think of it as the Ten Commandments being the laws and God being the police.
have you ever spoken with a christian with sound understanding of doctrine and logic? have you even read the bible instead of hearing it from a secondary source? i hope you know what you have said completely proves the point made about christianity in the media's eye.
a small tidbit about logic and the bible. The bible references itself in many aspect to maintain its consistency and logic. if any part of its message counter one another, its a fallible book and not to be used as any standard. so what that means for you is one cannot take part of the bible and say its good while say parts of it are bad. you have to take it all or none of it. its like saying of the math problem 2+2 is nice, but i do not like it equals to 4.
the real question is how do yo prove or disprove the bible.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Almo - 2009-02-07
I find Atheism to be less credible than any religion just because the fact that there was nothing in the beginning of this Universe.
That and all those people who were Atheists ultimately ended up admitting there was a creator.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - IsaacGS - 2009-02-07
The problem with all this "The universe is so big, something MUST have created it!" is that you're thinking like a human. You're assuming that an effect has to have a cause, and that's not the case. It's ridiculous to talk about "what was there before the universe?" because there was no *before*. Time started when the universe started. Without the existence of time, there can be no "before".
I think the main reason most of you are hating on atheists is that a large portion of them act like dicks and talk down to religious people. I would classify myself as an "Atheist Agnostic", I don't think there is a god but you know, it doesn't matter AT ALL whether there is or not. It's a waste of time to debate it because even if there is, it's unprovable and thus irrelevant.
I try not to talk down like other atheists, but there are many times when people try to build their arguments on their religious beliefs. You can't do that. An argument needs to be built on logic, and by basing it on "faith" you've immediately tossed logic, and thus the ability to argue, out the window. Unfortunately, the vast majority of the reasons used to argue against magnificent technological breakthroughs (Like stem cell research) are purely religious, and it's infuriating to have the progress of science held up by such nonsense. You can be religious, that's fine, but don't push your unprovable beliefs on the world.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - MetaSeraphim - 2009-02-07
Just like everyone and everything on this planet both Atheism and any other type of religion that believes in a God(dess)(s) are flawed big time.
For one Atheism says the Universe wasn't made by a creator, this right off the bat is completely wrong.
If there wasn't a "creator" for the Universe it wouldn't be here, would it? Because whether you believe it was a being with limitless powers, or a big bang, random chance, etc, etc, there was a "creator" for the Universe.
Where any religion that believes in a higher power is flawed is where the followers try and say what their God(dess)(s) like and dislike which is complete bull's'hit.
No human would be able to know what a God(dess)(s) actually thinks since by nature every single human on the face of the planet are complete and utter morons devoid of any real and actual intelligence.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Harrisonized - 2009-02-07
IsaacGS Wrote:I think the main reason most of you are hating on atheists is that a large portion of them act like dicks and talk down to religious people. I would classify myself as an "Atheist Agnostic", I don't think there is a god but you know, it doesn't matter AT ALL whether there is or not. It's a waste of time to debate it because even if there is, it's unprovable and thus irrelevant.Yay, someone thinks like me!
I was asking my friend the other day about morals, and then my friend told me "Don't you want everyone to follow the same things you believe?" Then he spent the next half hour trying to convince me why I should try getting everyone to follow the same moral code. =(
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Almo - 2009-02-07
I try and think of a 'creator' as energy.
Because as you know, everything you see, feel, smell, and touch is a form of energy.
Everything is a form of energy, the cosmos, the earth and all it's inhabitants.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Nikkey - 2009-02-07
IsaacGS Wrote:The problem with all this "The universe is so big, something MUST have created it!" is that you're thinking like a human. You're assuming that an effect has to have a cause, and that's not the case. It's ridiculous to talk about "what was there before the universe?" because there was no *before*. Time started when the universe started. Without the existence of time, there can be no "before".
To back this up:
All theories of cosmology are formulated on the assumption that space-time is smooth and flat (well, almost), ya? Problem occurs, cause at Big Bang, the density of the universe and the curvature of space-time would have been infinite. Umm, flat does not equal to infinite curvature, right?
Therefore, even if there were events before the Big Bang, we couldn't use them to determine what would happen afterwards, because predictability would have broken down at Big Bang, if you get me.
If that's the case, we only know what has happened before the Big Bang, and we cannot determine what happened beforehand. As far as I understand, events before the Big Bang can have no consequences and should thus not form part of a scientific model of the universe. That's why we cut them out of the model and say that the Big Bang was the beginning of time.
This means that questions such as who set up the conditions for the Big Bang are not question that science addresses.
Simply put (tl;dr): Science doesn't bother to find out who or what created the Big Bang because it doesn't matter and have no impact on our lives.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Cancambo - 2009-02-07
MetaSeraphim Wrote:For one Atheism says the Universe wasn't made by a creator, this right off the bat is completely wrong.
If there wasn't a "creator" for the Universe it wouldn't be here, would it? Because whether you believe it was a being with limitless powers, or a big bang, random chance, etc, etc, there was a "creator" for the Universe.
Weird things can happen. Better answered by Isaac.
IsaacGS Wrote:The problem with all this "The universe is so big, something MUST have created it!" is that you're thinking like a human. You're assuming that an effect has to have a cause, and that's not the case. It's ridiculous to talk about "what was there before the universe?" because there was no *before*. Time started when the universe started. Without the existence of time, there can be no "before".
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Almo - 2009-02-07
IsaacGS Wrote:The problem with all this "The universe is so big, something MUST have created it!" is that you're thinking like a human.
Humans are the most intelligent creatures in existence, clearly that should be obvious because the simple fact a human mind can achieve anything with the proper techinque because of our capacity.
Chances are incredibly high we're not the only humans in existence.
I guess it's the concept of understanding, there's been multiple occasions where it was said to be impossible - then proven wrong.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Nikkey - 2009-02-07
Almo Wrote:Humans are the most intelligent creatures in existence, clearly that should be obvious because the simple fact a human mind can achieve anything with the proper techinque because of our capacity.
Uh, well. Think about it this way. Some people are able to think in 4D, and some are able to think in 5D. But afaik noone has been able to think in 7D, 8D or 9D. Imagine this: 1D is one straight line. 2D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on another straight line. 3D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on a 2D-element. 4D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on a 3D-element. 5D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on a 4D-element. 9D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on a 8D-element. Quite hard to imagine. Quite "impossible".
Also, practically, we're unable to go back in time and change history.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - GameMX - 2009-02-07
Most of the time Atheism is nothing more then a rebellion not against God, but against the organized religious groups. They just don't know how to direct it. Some people are horrified by the groups history and past, that they reject all meanings of it, and shut it out. They also reject it based on the history of when humans used to kill others for there own beliefs, this still happens today, sadly.
Atheism is probably also stirred up when a group or a group member tries to force one into there group or tricks one, or is when someone witnesses it.
The one thing about human nature. The world could even be 99.99% Good, but they will also focus deeply on that 00.01% being bad.
It's kind of like the media. You will hear about someone murdering another over a subject or situation, or just random. But you will rarely hear about the person who donated money to the poor, or someone saving a puppy, or other good karma actions.
Saddest, isn't it?
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Almo - 2009-02-07
Devil's Sunrise Wrote:Uh, well. Think about it this way. Some people are able to think in 4D, and some are able to think in 5D. But afaik noone has been able to think in 7D, 8D or 9D. Imagine this: 1D is one straight line. 2D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on another straight line. 3D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on a 2D-element. 4D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on a 3D-element. 5D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on a 4D-element. 9D is a straight line with a 90 degree angle on a 8D-element. Quite hard to imagine. Quite "impossible".
Also, practically, we're unable to go back in time and change history.
I've always thought of dimensions being somewhat like this:
1D with 2D Objects
2D with 3D Objects
3D with 4D being Time
4DTime being 5D Time Manipulation
etcetc.
But that's just how I pictured it.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Azalea - 2009-02-08
I love how the OP totally picked a troll thread to discuss. Sourced from the Council of Secular Humanism. I also loved how the OP had his own original insight as his first post writing, "Thoughts :O?" And his other posts were simply mind-inspiring. For my next thread in this section, I am going to copy and past an article from a Jihadist website saying, "Everyone should die in a fire" and then write, "thoughts?"
I also love how the Book of Moronism is the only religious document that has been used and utilized as an argument for how ridiculous all religions are more or less. Especially when Mormonism is by far one of the most bizarre religions I have ever encountered in reading various religious documents.
Most importantly I love when people denounce religion as primarily being "faith-based" because there is a museum that utilizes the fossil record via carbon-dating to substantiate events in the Bible. But I refuse to mention it since anyone who brings up that religion is all "faith-based" has already given up on religion and there would be no point in arguing otherwise because you will not be open or receptive towards considering other opinions.
We are all at an age where we just wag our dicks in circles whenever it comes to certain topics. And thanks to all the plantain-wagging going left and right here, I figured why not have one more? And this thread both the original content and the path that it has diverged is so terribly mired in personal bias that there was no point for anyone to even post in the first place.
I even avoided this thread for the longest time because I knew I would get pissed off and write the same arguments I do every time. I would bring up the many revisions of the atom model and explain that science is always under revision and never really 100% absolute. I would then begin quoting Bible verses and explore that certain scientific theories are present in the Bible. And then I would end by stating some generically optimistically profound statement where everyone would either feel good about themselves or scratch their heads and wonder, "what the hell was this guy smoking."
The truth is I don't think anyone here gives a crap about this issue. Because there is very little to no facts being presented and what has been given is very, very biased. No one is making a genuine interest to try to bridge the other side and instead just throw mud-balls saying, "Aha Christians or Aha Atheists."
This thread is troll material from beginning to finish. And the only reason I am mean is because I'm pissed off that people wrote their opinions in this thread without substantiating it with legitimate facts, showing a legitimate amount of concern, and did not reveal that they cared for how their beliefs were perceived by me and possibly others with totally opposing agendas.
I learned a lot of LOGIC used in the scientific arguments you presented guys. And I learned a lot about RELIGION from you theory-based folks. Thanks a lot assholes. Cite more obscure and non-substantiated facts so someone else can refute you three posts later since you are bloody wrong and don't do your own beliefs justice.
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - xpimnoob - 2009-02-08
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvgwR9ERCBo
that one helped me imagine beyond the 4th dimension.
and speaking of ridiculous religions.. aren't there still indigenous people who practice religions involving human sacrafice?
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Nikkey - 2009-02-08
xpimnoob Wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvgwR9ERCBo
that one helped me imagine beyond the 4th dimension.
and speaking of ridiculous religions.. aren't there still indigenous people who practice religions involving human sacrafice?
Well, I don't mean as in understanding what they are, because that's fairly simple. More like how these n-dimensional objects look like. E.g., a hypercube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KT4M7kiSw
Atheism is Indeed A Civil Rights Issue - Harrisonized - 2009-02-08
Azalea Wrote:I also love how the Book of Moronism is the only religious document that has been used and utilized as an argument for how ridiculous all religions are more or less. Especially when Mormonism is by far one of the most bizarre religions I have ever encountered in reading various religious documents.I hope you didn't intentionally mispell that.