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#Gamergate - Takebacker - 2014-08-20
y0y0y0y0shi0 Wrote:"If you don't like a product, don't use it."
If you don't like the way Kotaku is handling this, don't read their articles? I could name a few dozen websites that cover gaming news. People have a multitude of choices. If you don't agree with one, choose another.
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#Gamergate - Remoir - 2014-08-20
KhainiWest Wrote:f`ucking a southperry member
don't leak my noodz pls.
btw i like how in her response to this all on tumblr shes offended that people are using pictures of her boobs against her because they are private. I don't think they are if you had a shoot done for everyone to see lol.
#Gamergate - Zerard - 2014-08-20
I'd just like to mention that it's probably never a good idea to get pictures of yourself naked.
Unless maybe you're a pornstar/hooker and don't care.
#Gamergate - ChickenKiev - 2014-08-20
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I've been following her on Twitter, and her explosions are showing what kind of person she is - it is important to take note of this event and to hold her accountable, because the gaming press and the moderators of 4chan and reddit have shown their hand by helping to suppress news of this incident. In fact, I'd say the cover-up has become the bigger scandal than the original scandal itself, in a very Watergate-esque way.
Also, Phil Fish sucks for shaming someone for calling her out on sexual harassment at a friend's wedding. Well, he sucks for many reasons - that's just one of many.
#Gamergate - Sephie - 2014-08-20
Well, libel can be pretty touchy and anyone not named 4chan is understandably anti-doxxing. To say that they are "in on it" is a bit too far but rather that they are trying to limit the storm (poorly) from becoming a witch hunt. However, Zoe isn't doing herself any favors...
Also Phil Fish convinced me that great devs can be absolutely pomegranatety people and that respect and admiration are completely separate.
Edit: I also find it amusing that Five Guys might get the Volvo treatment where a corporation gets involved in a gaming controversy simply by their coincidentally gratuitous name.
#Gamergate - ChickenKiev - 2014-08-20
Sephie Wrote:Well, libel can be pretty touchy and anyone not named 4chan is understandably anti-doxxing. To say that they are "in on it" is a bit too far but rather that they are trying to limit the storm (poorly) from becoming a witch hunt. However, Zoe isn't doing herself any favors...
Also Phil Fish convinced me that great devs can be absolutely pomegranatety people and that respect and admiration are completely separate.
I wouldn't exactly call it libel regarding Josh and Robin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_ReC-GtLfc
#Gamergate - Takebacker - 2014-08-20
Sephie Wrote:Also Phil Fish convinced me that great devs can be absolutely pomegranatety people and that respect and admiration are completely separate.
When i read the tweet about "i just cancelled a project you didn't even know about...and another one! and another!" i literally said to myself "how much less could i give a f'uck? probably not at all"
#Gamergate - ShinkuDragon - 2014-08-20
at which point did sleeping with your boss and others in order to promote yourself for things you didn't do, are blatant lies, and to undermine others that are undeserving?
ON THE FLIPSIDE, AT WHICH POINT, is it ok for a company, and a member of a company, to slander others, hide bad publicity, and give priority treatment to someone, for sex? especially a journalism company, where journalism is supposed to report the facts, nothing more or less. in the real world this is worth suing over, newspapers have gone down for this, look at fox news for christ's sake, this whole thing is "fox news: the videogame"
#Gamergate - Remoir - 2014-08-20
Takebacker Wrote:When i read the tweet about "i just cancelled a project you didn't even know about...and another one! and another!" i literally said to myself "how much less could i give a f'uck? probably not at all"
tbh i don't think anyone would care. Unless you make a game that has a large fanbase with a couple of sequels already or a series. He's just done Fez right?
#Gamergate - Takebacker - 2014-08-20
Remoir Wrote:tbh i don't think anyone would care. Unless you make a game that has a large fanbase with a couple of sequels already or a series. He's just done Fez right?
Yeah he's only done fez and he completely pooped on every single person who liked and bought fez or would otherwise be considered part of the fez fanbase when he tweeted that he ceased development on fez 2.
No, this is not the first time he's made threats involving stopping development on his games in response to the internet.
#Gamergate - Secun - 2014-08-20
Takebacker Wrote:When i read the tweet about "i just cancelled a project you didn't even know about...and another one! and another!" i literally said to myself "how much less could i give a f'uck? probably not at all"
Phil Fish's entire schtick is that he makes huge outbursts because 1) he's a huge plantain and 2) he knows it'll get him the attention he craves.
#Gamergate - Takebacker - 2014-08-20
Secun Wrote:Phil Fish's entire schtick is that he makes huge outbursts because 1) he's a huge plantain and 2) he knows it'll get him the attention he craves.
Except his game is literally the only reason he has attention at all.
If it weren't for him being "a legend" for taking an unrivaled amount of time to make a beautiful indie game that everyone wanted and getting featured in that indie game documentary on netflix i would never have known who he was.
#Gamergate - IllegallySane - 2014-08-20
That video is the first in a while to make me actually angry. I really hope this Quinn prick gets called out on her crap. Way to set progress back. At least the corruption won't be buried with how much fervor the internet has. You know you fuc'ked up when 3 of the largest overreaching communities banded together to fight this, even SJWs from Tumblr (presumably).
Also, my respect for Phil Fish fell even more. I'm actually glad I didn't buy FEZ knowing he's this great an egoistical douchebag.
#Gamergate - Takebacker - 2014-08-20
IllegallySane Wrote:I'm actually glad I didn't buy FEZ knowing he's this great an egoistical douchebag.
I on the other hand regret it. >_>
At least i didn't play the game like he intended and used the internet for the last and hardest of the collectables.
#Gamergate - ChickenKiev - 2014-08-20
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First post on that picture located here: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.858347-Zoe-Quinn-and-the-surrounding-controversy?page=45
I thought what Greg Tito had to say was rather telling as regards the gaming media's take on Zoe Quinn.
Essentially, they're going to take her side, regardless of whatever research they do or don't do. This is why it's important to mark this event and take note of who is defending who. The gaming press will not hold Zoe Quinn, Nathan Grayson, Joshua Boggs and others guilty of accepting sexual favors accountable for their behavior. It's up to the readers and players to take umbrage.
#Gamergate - Niernen - 2014-08-21
Leaving aside if sleeping with the people that were supposed to review her game was a breach of ethics or not, I don't get how cheating on your boyfriend with multiple men is not a breach of ethics. What kind of ethics allow you to have sex with multiple men, without breaking off your previous relationship? I do think that is wrong. And whether or not she slept with them so they would give good reviews and the like, sleeping with someone would obviously create a bias. People usually don't sleep with people they hate.
Lets say Politician A and Journalist B are friends. If journalist B writes a good article about Politician A, its unlikely to cause a huge controversy. Sure, some people may point out it is biased, but it is generally accepted. No one would really get up in arms about it. Now, if Politician A had sex with Journalist B, that is a completely different story. It doesn't matter if Politician A had sex for the article or not. A good journalist should step back at that point and realize they can not write anything close to a fair article. Now lets just throw in the fact that Journalist B was married. Oh, and Politician A also slept with Journalist C-F. And they also wrote good articles about them.
Yes, people do get victimized online, and it is a horrible thing. But crying wolf is just as bad, if not worse. While sometimes it is hard to obtain proof, there should at least be an effort made. Anyone can claim they were attacked. Sexism works both way, females should not get a free pass because they are females. And claiming to be victimised when you were not is unfair to the people who actually are. Not to mention you are then victimizing the people you claim victimized you. It's a stupid circle.
TBH, I had never heard about this Zoe person before. Don't really want to hear about her again in the future.
#Gamergate - Malthe - 2014-08-21
You know what bothers me about Greg Tito's post? That he's willing to accept they haven't done any research, but that accusing Zoe Quinn is bad and that the internet should stop.
But hey, he's more than willing to throw blame at Wizardchan for a raid they never did.
I mean he talks about crafting a false narrative for god's sake, that's exactly what Zoe Quinn has done and what he himself is helping her do.
Absolutely fucking digusting.
I don't have a single image that can express how disgusted this makes me, so have a fucking folder.
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#Gamergate - ChickenKiev - 2014-08-21
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There's some strong language in this one, but it's rather telling about why I and others think the gaming press is helping to cover this up.
And here's how the social justice warriors turned on TotalBiscuit because he was on point about the entire mess: http://gamesnosh.com/the-ugly-side-of-justice-total-biscuit-denounced-over-zoe-quinn-scandal-comments/
#Gamergate - ShinkuDragon - 2014-08-21
Niernen Wrote:Leaving aside if sleeping with the people that were supposed to review her game was a breach of ethics or not, I don't get how cheating on your boyfriend with multiple men is not a breach of ethics. What kind of ethics allow you to have sex with multiple men, without breaking off your previous relationship? I do think that is wrong. And whether or not she slept with them so they would give good reviews and the like, sleeping with someone would obviously create a bias. People usually don't sleep with people they hate.
thing is that her personal life isn't the internet's business, if the internet is nosy about it then bad for them and terrible behavior of the internet.
however, a game developer bolstering her sales via sex, and internet journalist accepting such things, -that's- something that is the internet's business. to put a different example, clinton did NOT sleep with that woman!
#Gamergate - ChickenKiev - 2014-08-21
ShinkuDragon Wrote:however, a game developer bolstering her sales via sex, and internet journalist accepting such things, -that's- something that is the internet's business. to put a different example, clinton did NOT sleep with that woman!
Sorry to post so much, but I thought this might be interesting and pertain to this particular topic (warning: some strong language):
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