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4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2008-12-29
I've reached an impasse. I thought we already spaded out the magic damage formula. Instead, as I don't have access to a private server or anything like that, the only way to figure that out would be making a magician
4th job Single Target DPS - Russt - 2008-12-29
Or bother Fiel as I've been doing to straighten out some of the other formulae.
115% spell mastery please.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2008-12-30
Hmm Demolition with SI and Knuckle Booster is only 26/min. I timed it multiple times spamming in the free market. So this makes a huge difference in your calculations.
4th job Single Target DPS - Lerk - 2008-12-30
Dusk Wrote:LUKless - 999 int, 23 luk
Staff - 159 mag 2 stat* 7 int
Maple Wisdom Staff - 94 mag 8 int
Anakamoon/Anakarune - 25 int 1 luk
Blue Pennance - 5 mag 7 int
Yellow Snowshoes - 3 int
Why Blue (+2 INT base) and not Black (+3 INT base)?
4th job Single Target DPS - Russt - 2008-12-30
Tamillan Wrote:Hmm Demolition with SI and Knuckle Booster is only 26/min. I timed it multiple times spamming in the free market. So this makes a huge difference in your calculations.I believe that's the value used.
Edit: 60/2.34 = 25.64 demolitions/min.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2008-12-30
Russt Wrote:I believe that's the value used.
Edit: 60/2.34 = 25.64 demolitions/min.
Are you sure? cause i hope your right, i dont want bucc being weaker. they already at low dps lol.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2008-12-30
Tamillan Wrote:Hmm Demolition with SI and Knuckle Booster is only 26/min. I timed it multiple times spamming in the free market. So this makes a huge difference in your calculations.
Russt Wrote:I believe that's the value used.
Edit: 60/2.34 = 25.64 demolitions/min.
Tamillan Wrote:Are you sure? cause i hope your right, i dont want bucc being weaker. they already at low dps lol.I'm sure, and I'm sure he's sure. I used 2340 ms as the time for one attack. That would correspond with your numbers.
Lerk Wrote:Why Blue (+2 INT base) and not Black (+3 INT base)?Fixed, thanks. I don't know too much about mage equips; I got all the numbers by spending a lot of time scrolling up and down Hidden-Street pages, feeling extremely bored. There's bound to be mistakes.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2008-12-30
Hmm you should make a chart for classes using apple. And also Buccaneer are really that weak? I mean NL are weak without SE and Apple. So a seperate chart for all classes using apples would be very useful.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2008-12-31
Tamillan Wrote:Hmm you should make a chart for classes using apple. And also Buccaneer are really that weak? I mean NL are weak without SE and Apple. So a seperate chart for all classes using apples would be very useful.
1. Apples don't have the crushing impact on the order of which classes do the most damage that everyone thinks they do. In fact, they don't hardly change anything but push NLs with SE up a little more over Bowmasters. The real advantage NLs have with Apples comes from Alchemist. Fewer Apples used = less cost to the run.
2. Download the Excel spreadsheet. You'll get a much better understanding of the data. Apples are on there. Just put 100 for "Att from Potion". The data listed is just for fun, not really to inform anyone about anything.
3. Yes, Buccaneers are not a great DPS class at bosses. They are like NLs in that they do average damage solo, but receive an enormous boost in damage with SE. However, as Stun Mastery doesn't do anything against an enemy that can't be stunned, their "enormous boost" doesn't exist against bosses.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2008-12-31
Dusk Wrote:1. Apples don't have the crushing impact on the order of which classes do the most damage that everyone thinks they do. In fact, they don't hardly change anything but push NLs with SE up a little more over Bowmasters. The real advantage NLs have with Apples comes from Alchemist. Fewer Apples used = less cost to the run.
2. Download the Excel spreadsheet. You'll get a much better understanding of the data. Apples are on there. Just put 100 for "Att from Potion". The data listed is just for fun, not really to inform anyone about anything.
3. Yes, Buccaneers are not a great DPS class at bosses. They are like NLs in that they do average damage solo, but receive an enormous boost in damage with SE. However, as Stun Mastery doesn't do anything against an enemy that can't be stunned, their "enormous boost" doesn't exist against bosses.
The damage for Buccaneer, is it including critical or without critical?
And which class is stronger? Shadowers or Bucc on bosses?
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2008-12-31
Tamillan Wrote:The damage for Buccaneer, is it including critical or without critical?
And which class is stronger? Shadowers or Bucc on bosses?
It's without Critical hits from Stun Mastery, but with Critical hits from Sharp Eyes, if so enabled.
The answer to your second question is complicated. In the best case scenario (for the Shadower), where a Shadower can freely spam Boomerang Step to Dark Sight to Assassinate, allowing the Final hit to connect, a Shadower would win that contest over a similarly equipped Buccaneer. But Assassinate and Boomerang Step come with limitations, so at bosses where they can't use that combo, their DPS falls significantly and a Buccaneer would do more damage.
Also, Apples do push Buccaneers slightly in the lead, even though it means they lose the 20 att from Energy Charge. And while the damage cap is still 99,999, Shadowers get shafted even more.
4th job Single Target DPS - Tamillan - 2008-12-31
Ah k thanks. I hope Buccaneers party skills will make them useful for bossing. We all know Hero>DK unless DK has SI but just because they have HB everyone wants them for HT runs and zak too.
4th job Single Target DPS - Lerk - 2008-12-31
Actually, again regarding magician gloves: Why not flamekeeper cordons? (8 magic attack base) Too rare compared to SCG/FS?
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2008-12-31
Lerk Wrote:Actually, again regarding magician gloves: Why not flamekeeper cordons? (8 magic attack base) Too rare compared to SCG/FS?
I considered it. How much of the high level magician population would you say uses them? SCGs are pretty abundant.
4th job Single Target DPS - Skylit - 2009-01-01
huh 29 att khanjar compared to a 14 att basic shield ? say what? Shouldn't the luk counterpart have at least 20 att ms shield? I mean a majority of luk shad's use 18-20 atts, as opposed to the dkhanjar users @ 28 att average.
Pretty much what im saying is.....Even if the luk shadower had his 20 att shield a 29 att D.khanjar would be stronger in a normal scenario.
4th job Single Target DPS - Kabanaw - 2009-01-02
After looking at the results for mages I have a few questions:
Why are the numbers for Meteo and Blizzard slightly different? I'm fairly sure they're replicas of one another besides the element
And why is the damage for El Quines greater than that of Ifrit? Ifrit has a higher base attack, so it should be doing more damage.
Edit: I don't know if I'm reading it right, but I think you put the base damage for Ifrit and El Quines as the same.
4th job Single Target DPS - Russt - 2009-01-02
The difference between Meteo and Blizzard, I believe, is due to the fact that the fire wand gives 2 more int and 2 less luk than its ice counterpart. I don't know whether that's fair, but yeah.
4th job Single Target DPS - Kabanaw - 2009-01-02
Russt Wrote:The difference between Meteo and Blizzard, I believe, is due to the fact that the fire wand gives 2 more int and 2 less luk than its ice counterpart. I don't know whether that's fair, but yeah.
That makes sense, I forgot that the different ele weapons have different stats on them
And if it's not too much trouble, could you also put another section for CL with a second hit? I know this is single target DPS, but at bosses where there's more than one target (Does CL hit more than one arm or more than one part of HT?) Then it adds 50% damage onto an I/L AM's damage.
4th job Single Target DPS - Dusk - 2009-01-02
I dunno about using MS shields. The 1h warriors would rise even more. Maple Shields have a huge advantage over every other shield because of the 10 slots thing and the way all equips are calculated with the maximum number possible of 60%s passed on them. I need another opinion.
Ifrit issue is my fault. Both are listed at 270 power in my calculations. Will be fixed in next version.
Uh, as for CL...then I'd have to start including other mob skills. Can't you just multiply by 1.5? D:
4th job Single Target DPS - Kabanaw - 2009-01-02
Dusk Wrote:I dunno about using MS shields. The 1h warriors would rise even more. Maple Shields have a huge advantage over every other shield because of the 10 slots thing and the way all equips are calculated with the maximum number possible of 60%s passed on them. I need another opinion.
Ifrit issue is my fault. Both are listed at 270 power in my calculations. Will be fixed in next version.
Uh, as for CL...then I'd have to start including other mob skills. Can't you just multiply by 1.5? D:
Yeah, good point.
And the damage output for CL is for using CL only, right?