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I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Phoenix - 2012-01-27
I would be more appalled if this went both ways, cause as much as there are people who benefited from a dupe either intentionally or unintentionally, there are an equal amount of people who LOOSE items.
The following are all issues that have happened to me or someone close:
- Meso exploit occurs, hackers pass on mesos to legitimate players. Legitimate players get their mesos wipes.
- Legitimate player moves items through storage before one of these server failures, they lose items.
- Legitimate player closes their mushroom shop right before a server crashes, they lose items.
- Legitimate player takes items out of frederick before a server crashes, they lose items.
- Legitimate user is hacked through some mysterious hack that Nexon won't admit to, they lose their items.
In every single one of these cases, Nexon's responsibility was non-existent. So if someone takes advantage of glitch in Maple, I really only see as the cosmic re-balancing of all the crappy things that can happen to a player.
If nexon was better with returning lost items, they would ultimately be better at getting rid of duped items, IMO. Till they improve, they can't solely blame a community for people's looser morals.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - ShinkuDragon - 2012-01-27
Phoenix Wrote:I would be more appalled if this went both ways, cause as much as there are people who benefited from a dupe either intentionally or unintentionally, there are an equal amount of people who LOOSE items.
The following are all issues that have happened to me or someone close:
- Meso exploit occurs, hackers pass on mesos to legitimate players. Legitimate players get their mesos wipes.
- Legitimate player moves items through storage before one of these server failures, they lose items.
- Legitimate player closes their mushroom shop right before a server crashes, they lose items.
- Legitimate player takes items out of frederick before a server crashes, they lose items.
- Legitimate user is hacked through some mysterious hack that Nexon won't admit to, they lose their items.
In every single one of these cases, Nexon's responsibility was non-existent. So if someone takes advantage of glitch in Maple, I really only see as the cosmic re-balancing of all the crappy things that can happen to a player.
If nexon was better with returning lost items, they would ultimately be better at getting rid of duped items, IMO. Till they improve, they can't solely blame a community for people's looser morals.
my point is, and here we go into what has been said thousand times already, nexon doesn't care as much as before, before people that enjoyed playing by the rules got to see those who broke them get deleted, with time, nexon stopped caring, and like me, some decided to take things into their own hands, to varying degrees.
imagine nexon deleted every week a certain number of players that had duped cravens on their inventory, can you imagine how many people would stop supporting hackers just because of that?, it's the "downward spiral" everyone talks about.
at least the first way, all the other ways are nexon's fault, and hackers fault to a degree (depends on who's behind the crashing)
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Phoenix - 2012-01-27
ShinkuDragon Wrote:at least the first way, all the other ways are nexon's fault, and hackers fault to a degree (depends on who's behind the crashing)
I really don't think anyone is behind this series of crashes. Nexon's bad at most things, but they have a good track record at patching packet related crashes especially when it's being going on all day.
Other than that, I agree totally. How can you expect people to comply when the most they can expect is a slap on the wrist. Only twice has Nexon done something I find appropriate and that was the chaos scroll incident, where just about anyone who profited from scrolls was perma banned, and the meso exploit relating to storages where they actually did wide spread MAC address bans on exploiters before a certain date. Both were extreme, but deterred mainstream hackers.
Those won't stop actual hackers though because it's so profitable. It's odd that most people don't realize how many dupes there were pre-4th job era, people with mules full of white scrolls still exist, but it was limited to a handful of individuals.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - hai2u - 2012-01-27
Phoenix Wrote:I really don't think anyone is behind this series of crashes. Nexon's bad at most things, but they have a good track record at patching packet related crashes especially when it's being going on all day.
Other than that, I agree totally. How can you expect people to comply when the most they can expect is a slap on the wrist. Only twice has Nexon done something I find appropriate and that was the chaos scroll incident, where just about anyone who profited from scrolls was perma banned, and the meso exploit relating to storages where they actually did wide spread MAC address bans on exploiters before a certain date. Both were extreme, but deterred mainstream hackers.
Those won't stop actual hackers though because it's so profitable. It's odd that most people don't realize how many dupes there were pre-4th job era, people with mules full of white scrolls still exist, but it was limited to a handful of individuals.
There were people ddosing Nexon's servers, so yes there were people behind it.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Taarie - 2012-01-27
I'm probably one of the few persons that still play the game just for fun and don't care about what ilegit players do; is sad how most people still flatter players with high ranges or lot of mesos when that's actually pretty far from been an accomplish this days.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Phoenix - 2012-01-27
hai2u Wrote:There were people ddosing Nexon's servers, so yes there were people behind it.
I find that either highly unlikely (Short of them having access to and using botnets) or highly stupid.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Dark Link - 2012-01-27
hai2u Wrote:There were people ddosing Nexon's servers, so yes there were people behind it.
Giving people false information is a great way for them to hate you.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Blades4hire - 2012-01-27
Dark Link Wrote:Giving people false information is a great way for them to hate you.Don't cha know?
He's the legendary Hai2u from that one site.
We must bow to him.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - KhainiWest - 2012-01-27
ShinkuDragon Wrote:my point is, and here we go into what has been said thousand times already, nexon doesn't care as much as before, before people that enjoyed playing by the rules got to see those who broke them get deleted, with time, nexon stopped caring, and like me, some decided to take things into their own hands, to varying degrees.
imagine nexon deleted every week a certain number of players that had duped cravens on their inventory, can you imagine how many people would stop supporting hackers just because of that?, it's the "downward spiral" everyone talks about.
at least the first way, all the other ways are nexon's fault, and hackers fault to a degree (depends on who's behind the crashing)
Haha shinku doesn't this all sound familiar to you? I was telling people this before I quit. But don't misunderestand, I'm not calling you a parrot, simply starting to see the game as I saw it. It will never get better shinku, I know you're in a state of mind where you think you hit bottom, and it will only go up from here, but it's only going to get worse. So take advantage of what you can or just leave, because at the current destination, you'll be left in the dust anyway.
Can you guys imagine? Back in 06-07 you were cut off from boss runs if you even had a hacker on your BL. Now you'll be kicked from boss runs because you don't have good enough gear, aka hacked gear. Soon that will become a minimum, even the NX players will have difficulty keeping up, assuming they stay with legitimate gear.
A game where you're punished for being legit, can you guys not see it coming? Or is it already here?
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Stereo - 2012-01-27
I've kinda slipped out of the community in general, I don't hit the market if I can avoid it, majority of my new gear is event-obtained stuff. Or pvp-gear, I got the recipes myself, get the badges myself, etc.
I'm not sure where I'm going with it, but it's an ok side-event, and if Nexon ever does crack down on hackers I've kept my nose clean so I don't have to worry (unless they do something idiotic like ban anyone with good equips).
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - hai2u - 2012-01-27
Phoenix Wrote:I find that either highly unlikely (Short of them having access to and using botnets) or highly stupid.
Yeah, they were using botnets.
Dark Link Wrote:Giving people false information is a great way for them to hate you.
Someone I know is friends with a couple of the people who were doing it, it isn't false info.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Dark Link - 2012-01-27
hai2u Wrote:Someone I know is friends with a couple of the people who were doing it, it isn't false info.
My friend's friend's sister's cousin knows someone who does it as well.
You've yet to provide ANY proof to your "so called" claim.
Sure is FUD up in here.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Blades4hire - 2012-01-27
And yet no one believes ME when I tell them.
Not like it matters what's causing it anyways.
@link if you could offer me a better explanation, with the facts to support it that you claim we are missing, please do.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Raul - 2012-01-27
Blades4hire Wrote:And yet no one believes ME when I tell them.
No, we just don't believe anyone because it's obvious bullshit.
kthnxbai
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - KhainiWest - 2012-01-27
Dark Link Wrote:My friend's friend's sister's cousin knows someone who does it as well.
You've yet to provide ANY proof to your "so called" claim.
Sure is FUD up in here.
It really doesn't matter, if he's telling the truth, good, it might make nexon actually take some action as they are personally getting attacked. If not, then it's the same bull sh`it we've been dealing with for like a year. There's always going to be one guy who will go on some forum acting like he's butt buddies with "the bad guys".
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Dark Link - 2012-01-27
KhainiWest Wrote:It really doesn't matter, if he's telling the truth, good, it might make nexon actually take some action as they are personally getting attacked.
They didn't do anything other than patch the server / channel crashes from the past. The same thing is only going to be done with this scenario if that's the case.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - hai2u - 2012-01-27
Dark Link Wrote:My friend's friend's sister's cousin knows someone who does it as well.
You've yet to provide ANY proof to your "so called" claim.
Sure is FUD up in here.
Keep believing what you want. Not gonna keep arguing with someone too stubborn to believe something other than what they want to.
KhainiWest Wrote:It really doesn't matter, if he's telling the truth, good, it might make nexon actually take some action as they are personally getting attacked. If not, then it's the same bull sh`it we've been dealing with for like a year. There's always going to be one guy who will go on some forum acting like he's butt buddies with "the bad guys".
Didn't even claim to know the people myself, so I don't know what you're getting at.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Blades4hire - 2012-01-27
Like I said to anyone else.
I don't give a pomegranate if you don't believe me.
I don't see what I would possibly have to gain from lying about people crashing the server.
I know what I know, and if you don't want to, then that's your problem.
Since nobody wants to believe me anyways, fine I'm lying.
I just wanted a bigger e-peen.
Nexon's servers are crashing themselves.
Atleast you can all sleep well at night now.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - Raul - 2012-01-27
hai2u Wrote:Keep believing what you want. Not gonna keep arguing with someone too stubborn to believe something other than what they want to.
Not going to believe someone who claims things and provides absolutely no proof for it besides "I know a guy who knows a guy who says he's doing it".
EDIT:
@above:
I just think you're misinformed.
I literally lost all faith in the Maple community. - hai2u - 2012-01-27
Blades4hire Wrote:Like I said to anyone else.
I don't give a pomegranate if you don't believe me.
I don't see what I would possibly have to gain from lying about people crashing the server.
I know what I know, and if you don't want to, then that's your problem.
Since nobody wants to believe me anyways, fine I'm lying.
I just wanted a bigger e-peen.
Nexon's servers are crashing themselves.
Atleast you can all sleep well at night now.
Me 2 br0.
We such gud tr0llz.
We make all dis up 4 attention!!!
Makez so mach cents.