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Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2011-12-17

Codex Wrote:What skills set combo is the Phantom chart for?

Sorry, I thought it was listed. It uses Rapid Fire for single targets, with Combo Attack and Threaten available.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Akebo - 2011-12-18

JoeTang Wrote:Sorry, I thought it was listed. It uses Rapid Fire for single targets, with Combo Attack and Threaten available.

Why Rapid Fire?

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Stryker - 2011-12-18

Rapid Fire is the strongest attack (330%) and is the same speed as hurricane.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - LegendGospel - 2011-12-23

So... Dual Blades are officially the new Buccs? Why do I always level weak jobs?

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Takebacker - 2011-12-23

Buccs never had two separate weapons capable of weapon potential as well as the top/bottom combo.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - LegendGospel - 2011-12-23

Takebacker Wrote:Buccs never had two separate weapons capable of weapon potential as well as the top/bottom combo.

In other words, they're the new Buccs, with the exception of being able to be good if you spend hundreds of dollars in cubes?

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - CarrionCrow - 2011-12-23

LegendGospel Wrote:So... Dual Blades are officially the new Buccs? Why do I always level weak jobs?
People always forget to include the massive amount of weapon attack DBs have over the other thieves, as well as the second set of weapon potential of Kataras, as Takebacker said. With Legendary tier I will have at least 110% Boss damage on my DB. That will be kind of hard to beat on a NL or Shad with equal funding. I refuse to include disguisting pomegranate like 301 att Claws and any form of attack scrolled VSS in the comparision though. But, if your DB is poor and unfunded, yea it will be the shittiest thief.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2012-01-02

Didn't bother to include Continual Aiming since it's variable when it will be dispelled, but basically a 1.2x to this damage if it can't be I believe, unless it's additive to Combo or Prayer.

Added what damage looks like when SE is added to the scenario.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2012-02-13

Added a Pickpocket + Meso Explosion table for Phantoms. It requires that they use their 4th job slot as Combo Attack, and two 3rd job slots as PP and ME. Thus, they would not be able to have Holy Symbol, or any other 3rd job skill, and would not be able to have any 4th job skill active.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Shoes - 2012-02-14

What are the multipliers for Canes?

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2012-02-14

Pretty sure it's 1.3

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - sverreerik - 2012-02-15

Wow, thanks for doing the math! All that data, Yum.

What skills are you going to keep on hand for your Phantom? What is the feel of the new Shadower like? (If you do not mind me asking in your thread)

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2012-02-15

sverreerik Wrote:Wow, thanks for doing the math! All that data, Yum.

What skills are you going to keep on hand for your Phantom? What is the feel of the new Shadower like? (If you do not mind me asking in your thread)
Muspelheim is pretty shitty unless you OHKO with it.

I haven't played my Phantom in a while but I use Holy Symbol, Combo, Dispel, Rapid Fire, and Paralyze on my Phantom right now since he has Talent IV level 1. The problem with Meso Explosion and Pickpocket is you need to have the third 3rd job slot dedicated to Combo Attack to actually make it worthwhile, and that means you can't run Holy Symbol. If you're training, Meso Explosion and Pickpocket are fairly useless since mobs die so fast and move so much. If you're bossing, in theory, you should have a Bishop to Holy Symbol you. The only problem would be the availability to switch skills. 4th job should be Rapid Fire, and probably Sharp Eyes so if you're in a situation where you don't need Holy Symbol and aren't using Rapid Fire, you can run both Combo and Sharp Eyes.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Locked - 2012-02-15

sverreerik Wrote:Wow, thanks for doing the math! All that data, Yum.

What skills are you going to keep on hand for your Phantom? What is the feel of the new Shadower like? (If you do not mind me asking in your thread)

AREN'T YOU ENRAGED?
JOETANG HASN'T GIVEN YOU CREDITS.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2012-02-17

Blade Master:
 Spoiler
Adjusted Mastery:
 Spoiler
Bloody Storm + Blade Fury:
 Spoiler
Adjusted Mastery:
 Spoiler

Things to keep in mind are Blade Masters have two weapons that can have weapon potential on them, i.e. a pomegranateton more boss damage than other Thieves. Pretty comparable to the other Thieves, disregarding the fact that Assassinate does a billion DPS that gets capped at 4m per attack. I'll need to remember to fix that as it is rather misleading to say 0% Defense Shadower does 9000%/s when without Assassinate it's only half that, i.e. the same as the other two Thieves.

I also don't know why Shadowers and Night Lords don't have an adjusted mastery table, but I'll add it tomorrow.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - Blades4hire - 2012-02-17

I think the 100+ att shield and extra boss damage puts us higher than shadowers now Biggrin
Thanks for the calculations Joe.

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - sverreerik - 2012-02-17

Locked Wrote:AREN'T YOU ENRAGED?
JOETANG HASN'T GIVEN YOU CREDITS.
I TAKE MY THANKS BACK!

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2012-02-17

Shadower:
 Muspelheim
 Edge Carnival
 With Sharp Eyes

Night Lord:
 Spoiler
 With Sharp Eyes

Blade Master:
 Spoiler
 With Sharp Eyes

Had a typo in Blade Master's adjusted mastery value. Added a Sharp Eyes table and a No Assassinate table.

Blade Master is still in KMST and is subject to change, so the OP will not reflect any of these changes until they reach the live servers.

Also, for pomegranates and giggles, here's the new Chains of Hell
Blade Master:
 Spoiler


Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - dShop - 2012-02-18

So with the Rapid Fire + Twilight + Pickpocket + Meso Explosion in addition with the assist of Sharp Eyes and Adjusted Mastery, will this combo outdps Ishtar Ring on Single target hit? I also realized that Ishtar Ring has a higher % damage compared to the Ultimate drive % damage, is it just me or that Ultimate drive attacking speed isn't as fast as Ishtar Ring's? Thank you for showing me this thread joe, but this is A LOT of complicated information you put up, at the mean time im trying to figure out the Adjusted Mastery and weapon speed mechanics you have on here also.

P.s. is it ideal to have the fastest speed 2 weapon as a phantom as well?

Thief %/s (KMS Unlimited and GMS Tempest) - JoeTang - 2012-02-21

Phantom:
 Rapid Fire/Twilight
 Twilight + Pickpocket + Meso Explosion
 Ultimate Drive
 Ultimate Drive + Pickpocket + Meso Explosion
 With SE


Just did a retest for Ultimate Drive's speed. Previously, it was assumed to be the listed speed of 360ms and Boosterable, but is now found to be constant 180ms.