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Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
It's a hypothetical, people. The bishop has however much % int as is necessary to outdamage the next weakest attacker.
I still haven't heard a reason from anyone.
Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:It's a hypothetical, people. The bishop has however much % int as is necessary to outdamage the next weakest attacker.
I still haven't heard a reason from anyone.
SI would effect the sair's damage input and allow for faster training.
HSless bishop does nothing and can go sit in the corner.
Post ascension Bishop build - JoeTang - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:It's a hypothetical, people. The bishop has however much % int as is necessary to outdamage the next weakest attacker.
I still haven't heard a reason from anyone.
Because it's a hypothetical. I'm not going to spend time in game asking the Bishop why he thinks he does more damage than the Buccaneer, and then having him prove it when I could just assume he's fucking retarded to begin with since he has no HS and I don't care how much damage he does.
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
My bad, I left a hole in the scenario. Support bishop doesn't care about his damage, and its more nls or bams or other classes that don't care about SI rather than a sair. The BM will be using hurricane.
I already admitted its not practical to explain it every time. Still, there are circumstances where its better to bring the hsless bishop than not, thats the only point I was making, and it was to get you folks to analyze your own decision making process, not to contort an argument to reinforce a bishops-can-only-hs bias.
Post ascension Bishop build - JoeTang - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:My bad, I left a hole in the scenario. Support bishop doesn't care about his damage, and its more nls or bams or other classes that don't care about SI rather than a sair. The BM will be using hurricane.
K, since this is a hypothetical where everyone in the party is retarded, I am going to assume I am retarded as well in this scenario, and choose the Bishop. There, the hypothetical scenario where an HSless Bishop is chosen over some other class is one where I am a retard.
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
What's retarded about it?
edit: here I'll imagine a scenario why the bishop didn't get HS: he wanted max doom and SR for training in third job, and he's not paying NX for sp resets. Should he be forever fucked because you refuse to entertain the possibility of letting him in the party? Does he have to buy NX to become acceptable to your arbitrary expectations about what classes are for?
Post ascension Bishop build - JoeTang - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:Should he be forever pineappleed because you refuse to entertain the possibility of letting him in the party?
Yes, he should.
Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:What's retarded about it?
edit: here I'll imagine a scenario why the bishop didn't get HS: he wanted max doom and SR for training in third job, and he's not paying NX for sp resets. Should he be forever fucked because you refuse to entertain the possibility of letting him in the party? Does he have to buy NX to become acceptable to your arbitrary expectations about what classes are for?
Maybe he should remake his character since getting to 120 is easy post-jump.
Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
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Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
Quote:Yes, he should.Then I don't want you deciding who gets into a LHC party with me, your judgment is compromised and it's going to cost me exp.
Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:Then I don't want you deciding who gets into a LHC party with me, your judgment is compromised and it's going to cost me exp.
Inviting the HSless bishop costs us exp too dammit.
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
How?
...did I miss something else in the scenario or what? Cmon people I'm not making a dense point.
Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
It's better off going to someone who can contribute to everyone else. Let's face it your amazing 1854%/s isn't going to get us anywhere.
Post ascension Bishop build - Takebacker - 2011-09-27
http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2214615/0/Would_you_invite_an_HSless_bishop_to_your_party.html
Joe vs exidous who will win! (threads prob gonna die, but w/e lol)
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
Locked Wrote:It's better off going to someone who can contribute to everyone else. Let's face it your amazing 1854%/s isn't going to get us anywhere.So you're saying you'd never bring a sair, or another class that doesn't have a party skill? (or doesnt have it maxed yet)
Also takebacker that's not the scenario I presented. Obviously you want HS, the hsless bishop is competing with other attackers for a slot, not with the HSer who is definitely coming.
Post ascension Bishop build - Takebacker - 2011-09-27
For that to be a competition, the bishop has to be doing more DPS than them. Your scenario is still HS vs no HS, which is all that matters.
Post ascension Bishop build - Locked - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:So you're saying you'd never bring a sair, or another class that doesn't have a party skill? (or doesnt have it maxed yet)
As I stated previously, unless I was desperate (which in your scenario I am) I wouldn't take a Corsair (unless it's beyond funded).
I also don't like pirates.
Post ascension Bishop build - iamflip - 2011-09-27
Takebacker Wrote:http://www.basilmarket.com/forum/2214615/0/Would_you_invite_an_HSless_bishop_to_your_party.html
Joe vs exidous who will win! (threads prob gonna die, but w/e lol)
Unfair poll is unfair @ only determining the choice by Holy Symbol alone. Then again, it's unfortunate that it's how it is to most people.
I'd like to post on that poll and inform Basil people about it, but... Basil. No way am I posting there ever.
Post ascension Bishop build - Exidous - 2011-09-27
Exidous Wrote:Sure, here's a scenario:
A 199 BM (best dps as of jump, I think) is making a party on CH1 bearwolves. There are six other people looking for a party, ranked in order of their dps:
a sair
a NL
a bam
a hsless bishop
a bucc
a support bishop
Guess who he shouldn't bring? Hint: it's not the hsless bishop.
Bold added for emphasis. I also want to swap out the sair, who'd benefit from SI (I thought there were fast guns, my bad).
Post ascension Bishop build - Takebacker - 2011-09-27
iamflip Wrote:Then again, it's unfortunate that it's how it is.
Which is why the hypothetical will never ever work. Because HS is god.