I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better

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I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - LordZet - 2011-07-05

Teppi Wrote:[video=youtube;RGXPI-Df9Pc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGXPI-Df9Pc&feature=related[/video]
yeah this was the golden time, when ppl train together and had fun doing it

Uhh at 110+, you're always forced to party up. You can't solo at LHC. But, even before BB i wouldn't want to party with random idiots. Doing 40 levels of PQing makes one learn to hate randoms.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Xephia - 2011-07-05

People say the old _______ was better for two reasons:
1. Things always seem better in memory.
2. Sometimes things are being forced to live passed their climax. Hence why nothing lasts forever.

With this case, it probably depends on how far back you're going. In my case, I think 4th job was the first sign of MS's downhill due to the large change in damage, but the potential was the biggest and most obvious change in that regard. Overall, it was probably the potential system that completely ruined maple for many longtime players.

There were always hackers around, however people probably miss the days when the worst hacks out there were moving a monster from point A to point B.

Even Big Bang ruined things. Maple did have a sense of exploration with such a large variety of maps, however currently people can level to 120 insanely fast and the monster placement changes seem like a sign of laziness. Monsters had a backstory such as cold eyes deep in the dungeon and the differentiation of drakes. However cold eyes in ellinia makes no sense as well as many other monster placements. The game feels a lot more linear. Normally there would be huge maps that would have 2-3 portals in them that led to different areas, however if you look at your world map you'll see it's more or less a straight line.

Overall the game is less creative, too overpowered, and leveling is way too fast (which is both good and bad.) Having the skills and damage of classes change every other patch is ridiculous.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Dystopiq - 2011-07-05

Hacking was more prevalent back then, in terms of amount but the effects weren't as detrimental. Now, the economy, the overall balance has been literally raped in the ass
Basically, IMHO, back then there were more visible hackers, but mostly an annoyance. Now, the methods have changed and the consequences will never be the same.
We've.......dun goofed.

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I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Suber - 2011-07-05

Suber Wrote:I miss how maple was based on how lucky you were with scrolls and such. One scroll could change you from rich or poor, the risk factor was exciting and it felt great that everyone had the same chance you did, even if they were rich with NX, it didn't stop items from being able to boom. White scrolls were rare as pineapple. I miss how maple was before the 2h 50s exploit and pre-potential. If you rewind time and take those two events away, you get most of the old maple back, entirely.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Takebacker - 2011-07-05

But the 2h 50s wasn't an exploit...

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Suber - 2011-07-05

You know what I mean. The event wasn't meant to be like that. Even if Nexon intended everyone to stock up on 2H 50s, if you still take that event away you will get most of the old maple back.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Takebacker - 2011-07-05

Suber Wrote:You know what I mean. The event wasn't meant to be like that. Even if Nexon intended it to be like that, if you still take that event away you will get most of the old maple back.

Better equipments doesn't automatically make maple "new", it just makes them more affordable. It's still a lot of money to get a perfect weapon.

What made the old maple was it's community, and since most of them have moved on, it's impossible to get back.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Suber - 2011-07-05

Takebacker Wrote:Better equipments doesn't automatically make maple "new", it just makes them more affordable. It's still a lot of money to get a perfect weapon.

What made the old maple was it's community, and since most of them have moved on, it's impossible to get back.

Yes it's a lot of money to get a perfect weapon, but to get a weapon close to it? It was cheap. Of course now it's not because there are less 2H 50s now.

Yes I agree with you the community was a part of the old maple and how it used to be, but many people stop playing because of the potential system.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Takebacker - 2011-07-05

Of course. But cheaper weapons doesn't really change anything as far as the community goes.

Yes, the potential system is BS. That is a much bigger change to the structure of the game than 2h 50s were.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Chameleonic - 2011-07-05

Old Maple was better for me only cause I had my Marksman...

Takebacker Wrote:Yes, the potential system is BS. That is a much bigger change to the structure of the game than 2h 50s were.

Yeah, when ones damage range as an Archer can be 10+ times the pre Potential damage range at the same level then things are fundamentally changed.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - IllegallySane - 2011-07-05

Takebacker Wrote:Yes, the potential system is BS. That is a much bigger change to the structure of the game than 2h 50s were.

Mmm hmm. This caused the NX ratio to go haywire, because everyone and their mother saw how it's possible for them to get uber stats by just throwing mesos/money at their items and thus demand skyrocketed while supply remained about the same. It's never easier to get mesos by selling NX cards, when $25 can net you half a billion mesos easy; it's one of the biggest cursed blessings ever. If you play solely as a normal player you're screwed, as NX is harder to make when everyone is buying NX and driving up inflation. If you're a person who has a job, he or she can just throw money at the problem to win the game. By either selling NX cards for mesos and then buy all their godly gear, or buying a cheap 3-liner and just cube it until it's a 3-line unique, the NX person wins either way since potentialed gear is everywhere and far easier to find AND make than godly scrolled gear, it's just finding a person willing to pay for it.

Pretty much all people who are loaded to the brim with NX in Maplestory:
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I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Teppi - 2011-07-05

LordZet Wrote:Uhh at 110+, you're always forced to party up. You can't solo at LHC. But, even before BB i wouldn't want to party with random idiots. Doing 40 levels of PQing makes one learn to hate randoms.

LHC partying is MUCH different from this type of partying. it's either 1 really op attacker attack and others just afk, or all just killing monsters, or random idiots killing random areas. this is different. u have ur own platform to care of so in a sense ur still talking with a party but u dont mind other ppl's mob

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - raizoo - 2011-07-05

Dusk Wrote:What is there to do gameplay-wise besides get better gear? Maple's storyline is almost nonexistent, the grind is ridiculous, hunting for rare items is worse because you at least with grinding you have a progress bar, and a new area or boss comes out like once a year at best. Nexon relies extremely heavily on people wanting to get better gear and people who can be entertained by the release of new classes to keep this game going. I played one character at a time and I didn't care that much about gear, and I was always bored out of my mind.

I like making friends and killing bosses together. And PQs. ┐（￣ー￣）┌

Maple's a fun past-time for me now. Grinding while I can in the summer, probably gach or cube stuff come school time.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - LittlePrincess - 2011-07-05

LordZet Wrote:yet some people still claim how better it was how the community was so intelligent back then.

Back in the good old days I used to go read the nexon forms to find posts like this:
Help, I'm stuck!
I was crawling down this long tower thing and then I accidentally died because I ran out of pots and I went to this place all covered with snow and I can't go anywhere because I die in one hit when I go out of the portals on either side of the map. Can someone help me?

Found those all the time, so funny. So no.... the community wasn't any more intelligent than it is today.

But really when people get older they like the things they experienced before, and they like to reminisce about how it was when they first tried it. It's like the "when I was a kid I had to walk to school uphill both ways in the snow barefoot" stories. You can reproduce this, start a character on a new server, play without nx, don't read content upgrade notices (except the ones nexon posts), and get all your mesos by freelancing your drops. But once you tried the other way your satisfaction with the newbie play style is diminished because you know what you are missing. Similar to someone who currently lives in a technologically advanced society trying to live in a third world country. Third world country has slower pace, less expectations, and you get to work for yourself (farm, market, etc), sounds better right?

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Chicocl - 2011-07-05

I have a love/hate relationship with both maples, old and new, becuase both have their pros and cons.

Old Maple:
Pros:

1) The comunity was a lot better because there was less people and no one wasn't god tier (if you remmenber back in 2007, people made partys to kill pianus, now pianus is a normal LHC monster equivalent...)
2)All help was needed to do something for example before you could enter to a zak run no matter what class you were or how strong (obviously you needed to be capable of hit it), now you need to have connections and free channels ( now only hackers and lucky people can do horn tail and zakum is almost full everytime and don't talk about the solos)
3) there was a good balance between nx and mesos only users, Pets only picked up items and mesos and some people just scrolled their pet equips for speed, gachapon wasn't that game breaking because there still were the boss equips and other items that were profitable.
4)Becoming 3rd/4th jobber was very nice because you had the posibility to get some stable incomes.
5) omok and game cards parties.
6) Perion love.
7) Hackers didn't run the economy and were more "gentle" training on very unpopular maps (lucidas and DK hackers)
8) The variety of people from other countries (i still talk with some european friends)

Cons:
1) lol the stupid time needed for leveling (who remmenber training for 4 hours with a cleric to get lvl 51 from 50?)
2) The game content was very limited (it still is but who cares)
3)the game was a lot harder becuase the low availability of "good" equips.
4) Some classes were very boring and repetitive (high five Crusaders and WK)
5) you're alone sometimes and no one was in a map training
6) No good PQ and noob bosses (This problem is stil in the game until jump)

"New" Maple:
Pros:
1) The fast leveling (omfg 1-70 in 2 days thats awesome)
2) The elimination of pqs lvl limits( i still kpq sometimes on my aran lol)
3) The various ways to improve yourself (traits, lvling, scrolling, potential and porfessions)
4) The amount of people that is playing at the same time (no forever alone anymore, right?)
5) The increase in the amount of content

Cons:
1) Everything from Pros is a cons except 3 {1)the leveling curve was very very broken it is pretty easy to reach lvl 70 now days, i didn't reach lvl 70 until 4months of massive griding on old maple, now 2 days lol,2)C'mon nexon the pqs aren't a challenge anymore you can just recruit some high level friend and the pq will be a breeze, they could have made higher lvls pq to give same type of rewards but a lot better in stats, 4) Is true there is a lot of people playing at the same time but they aren't as nice as my old european and asians friends (hate you ip block) , North and Latin americans almost stayed the same some nices some a-holes and because of that you can be alone most of the time like a lonely wolf like someone said above, 5) There is a lot of content is true but almost everything is useless because of special areas like Jesters or MP3 and others are useless because they are (lol chryse)}.

2) The meso and nx balance almost no exist, if you have nx you can have a nice experience of the game if you don't well you have to be a no life player/merchant or exploiter, and it isn't because of cubes or vegas or nx pams, it is because nexon never released a meso equivalent for that (don't say white scrolls they are from gachapon) and don't talk about evan's skill books.

3) There isn't need of having friends in this game anymore unless you want to boss or enter to some content that need a partner (and only if you aren't very powerful)

4)The hackers run the game and nexon doesn't know anything about the game.

5) others i don't actually remember because i have to go to celebrate my 5th July (venezuela independece day)

P.D: To people who says that the game isn't as hard as before, try to create a new no overpowered charater without fundings, nx, empress bless and anything that connects to your other character and you will see that you aren't going to 1 hit ko things on lvl 1xx.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Cattle - 2011-07-07

The only "good" thing pre-bb was the old victoria island. The new one is just complete trash. Other than that, post bb > pre bb.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - IceCorp - 2011-07-07

Bosses got nerfed so badly that the once mighty pap and anego are now just shadows of their former selves.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Connor - 2011-07-07

I hate how they killed all of my money making methods.

Used to make loads of money off training because of pieces of time. Those are now useless.
Used to hunt bosses for chaos scrolls to sell in mts for a good amount of nx. Those can't be MTS-ed anymore.

It's all about the white scrolls and cubes now. I've never been a complete damage whore but I like to try to have a somewhat decent range on my characters. Having merchanting or buying nx be the only way I can make money is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not level 18x to hunt Toad/Grandpa for drops so the only profitable hunting I can do is Windraider badge redemption. That's bullshit.

They also should at least put in an auction hall like in Vindictus or DFO so that if someone is looking for a specific item they just type it in and find it. Why do we have to spend nx on owls for that feature when Nexon's other free games get it at no cost? Stupid.

They made it easier to hunt for your equips but if you want them to be within the community's standards you have to shell out loads of nx, all while also killing hunting for profits. One step forward and two steps back.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - Manu - 2011-07-07

I quit maple about a year ago, and I must say that the difference in MS from when I joined and when I quit is simple: I was 5 years older.
Things were much more amusing in this game when I was younger, but time went by and I noticed that all MS is, is a grind fest and a constant search for improvement, the fun factor was eliminated once you reached level.... say 120 and had nothing new left to explore.

I don't understand why people say Old maple was so much better - BananaSalad - 2011-07-07

Returned to maple just a while ago and I notice that people are less friendly lol. Finding it hard to make friends like the ones i had in old maple that would hang out, offer help, talk, be silly, but also play the game seriously. Now everything is just to benefit themselves in some way:l lol.