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Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Dusk - 2009-01-22
I've never pure leeched. That is, I've never gone afk and let my character sit there for a few hours gaining exp. When I was at Harps for half a level, I looted all the drops to save my friend some cash. When I was at Red Wyverns for 4 hours, I killed and froze the bottom to keep the spawn up at the top. Cost me a bit more, but got some extra exp.
I don't have a enough of a problem with leechers to harass them or say anything about it, but I do tend to take their opinions on where to train or how to build a character less seriously. Even people who have already made 4th job characters, myself included, don't necessarily know how to play a new class.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Conciente - 2009-01-23
Leeching is worse than hacking. At least, true hacking requires skills and your presence at the keyboard. People whine about hackers at HT but at least they are providing a huge amount of weapons and skill books for everyone... but what are the leechers doing?
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Styles - 2009-01-23
^levelig up to a decent no leachable lvl and quit? or cry out loud that training is soo hard
or go to hhg1 and show off!~
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Deviant - 2009-01-23
Conciente Wrote:Leeching is worse than hacking. At least, true hacking requires skills and your presence at the keyboard. People whine about hackers at HT but at least they are providing a huge amount of weapons and skill books for everyone... but what are the leechers doing?
While I see where you're coming from, allow me to say this.
Hackers have totally destroyed the Maple-economy, 95% of leechers are buying with legit mesos probably. It will take over a year before hunting ilbis/steelys actually becomes profitable again after hackers disappear. And dont even get me started on Ores with JQ hackers.
Hackers are taking up more maps than leechers, sure leechers take Newt maps, but if they didnt the archmages/bishops that are training them would do it anyway. Nobody can train at Wolf Spiders, Himes, Singapore ghost ship, or any of that.
Leechers dont diminish the experience of the game for anyone. Unless you are crazy about rankings, then leechers are pretty harmless overall, do I like them? Not really. But I wouldnt go so far as to say they're worse than hackers. More HT drops on the market is nice, but for all the wrong reasons, those only come from HT for a reason, they're supposed to be rare.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Findings - 2009-01-23
Deviant Wrote:Leechers dont diminish the experience of the game for anyone.
You are wrong. In servers with low population the change in the game since leeching came about is obvious. Arch Mages/Bishops will not train with non leechers. Non-ultimate classes will not train, period. People that play the game have very few people to play with because training or putting any effort into the game is looked down upon. It has vastly diminished the experience of the game since training is pretty much the entire game.
Hacking and leeching both ruin the game for people that play correctly. I don't think one is worse than the other and it's not something you can really compare, but I do know that leeching has had much more of a widespread negative effect on the entire community in Mardia than hacking ever has.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Trystan28 - 2009-01-23
Findings Wrote:You are wrong. In servers with low population the change in the game since leeching came about is obvious. Arch Mages/Bishops will not train with non leechers. Non-ultimate classes will not train, period. People that play the game have very few people to play with because training or putting any effort into the game is looked down upon. It has vastly diminished the experience of the game since training is pretty much the entire game.
Hacking and leeching both ruin the game for people that play correctly. I don't think one is worse than the other and it's not something you can really compare, but I do know that leeching has had much more of a widespread negative effect on the entire community in Mardia than hacking ever has.
Quoted for Absolute Truth. My experiences in Demethos have been this in a nutshell. I mean, there's a reason why, even after a hefty round of hacker banning, the top players are by a wide margin, bishops. I have been in three different guilds, all decent, active, good people... and all of the leaders of said guilds buy leech. In massive quantities. I sorta went on my high horse at our guild meeting last night, after our leader confessed to having had purchased leech from some illegit people (including getting his zhelm for free from a known hacker) and he promised to go legit from now on. Well, long story short my little rant on the joys of leveling up yourself was met with a lot of eyerolling and just... "Oh, it figures a White Knight would say that..." I don't care, I'd say it regardless of what class I played.
All it does it tell new players that no one actually PLAYS the game... or they train until they reach a level they can "train" at. :\ It DOES hurt the game, economically, and it sorta diminishes the spirit of playing an MMORPG.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Conciente - 2009-01-23
Deviant Wrote:Hackers have totally destroyed the Maple-economy, 95% of leechers are buying with legit mesos probably. It will take over a year before hunting ilbis/steelys actually becomes profitable again after hackers disappear. And dont even get me started on Ores with JQ hackers.
Leechers dont diminish the experience of the game for anyone. Unless you are crazy about rankings, then leechers are pretty harmless overall, do I like them? Not really. But I wouldnt go so far as to say they're worse than hackers. More HT drops on the market is nice, but for all the wrong reasons, those only come from HT for a reason, they're supposed to be rare.
16x+ characters are supposed to be rare and time-consuming. In Mardia, if you are part of THEFAMILY<3, you can easily be given a level 16x+ character which you do not deserve in less than two months. I have too much pride on my ranking that I worked so hard for and now people who aren't even on the game 80% of the time, passed me. Mages don't train with real trainers anymore, they'd rather get paid to leech some useless player who doesn't have the ability to grind.
In my opinion, leechers do far much damage than hackers ever did. Hacks can be patched but this leech illness can't. Hopefully with the new KMST patch, it is resolved.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Kabanaw - 2009-01-23
I think both leechers and hackers are bad, and it's hard to say what is worse. Leeching has essentially taken over the game, meaning people just make a character and leech it to a high level where they can just boss.
My guild leader leeched from 108-120 in a few days. I remember when 120 was a big accomplishment and not to be just another advance in the game because of how strong it makes you. Even after 120, he's still leeching because it's faster than grinding.
I prefer to train solo because I prefer less money loss/hour rather than greater exp/hr. Sure, i get a few hundred more exp a kill, but only 60% of the pure mesos.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Kaasoljoyyx - 2009-01-23
New KMST patch has new party formula to combat leeching.
/thread via nexon
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Cyanne - 2009-01-23
^YESS! Really good to know that Nexon is starting to make updates to make maple a better game. Hopefully this change won't take long to reach gMS.
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - nannerz - 2009-01-24
Cyanne Wrote:^YESS! Really good to know that Nexon is starting to make updates to make maple a better game. Hopefully this change won't take long to reach gMS.
lol what a change...Lemme leech my sin to NL first
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Sihan - 2009-01-27
But if you think about it. If someone owns a bishop which he worked hard for, then leeched up a character with his own bishop. Is that supposed to be baD?
Legitimacy when it comes to leeching? - Deviant - 2009-01-27
Sihan Wrote:But if you think about it. If someone owns a bishop which he worked hard for, then leeched up a character with his own bishop. Is that supposed to be baD?
Thats really just a branch of the general question, there will be differing opinions on this as well. While you worked to train the bishop, you didnt work to train the other character as the way it was intended in the eyes of some, but it goes the other way too, some people are fine with that since you did the initial work and it was your bishop, it goes both ways, the community is so seperated (and hypocritical in a lot of cases) on the issue of leeching that whatever you do someone will dislike you and someone will be okay with you, it all boils down to if you yourself find it morally acceptable, in my opinion.